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The Prequels Strike Back: A Fan's Journey — Page 3

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DuracellEnergizer said:

You should try $%^&ing yourself up your %$# with a Godzilla-sized $%&@(, you &$%@#&$%^ing @!($@#($%@.

Sorry but I am not in that kind of stuff. Don’t worry, I don’t judge you.

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imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

You should try $%^&ing yourself up your %$# with a Godzilla-sized $%&@(, you &$%@#&$%^ing @!($@#($%@.

Sorry but I am not in that kind of stuff. Don’t worry, I don’t judge you.

Are you into punching?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

You should try $%^&ing yourself up your %$# with a Godzilla-sized $%&@(, you &$%@#&$%^ing @!($@#($%@.

Knock it off.

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While I have no desire to watch Eraserhead ever again, Stanley Kubrick is said to have screened it for the cast and crew of The Shining so they understood the sort of mood he wanted to establish for his film.

I like Dune, and The Elephant Man is a great movie, although very sad in the end.

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SilverWook said:

While I have no desire to watch Eraserhead ever again, Stanley Kubrick is said to have screened it for the cast and crew of The Shining so they understood the sort of mood he wanted to establish for his film.

I like Dune, and The Elephant Man is a great movie, although very sad in the end.

Ah yes I forgot about those two, when people bring up Lynch I always think of Twin Peaks and his other strange works.

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He also directed the appropriately named The Straight Story, which was Richard Farnsworth’s last movie before his death and a movie I’m sure even Frink would like if he gave it a chance.

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I think that the ending of ROTS was quite original. I expected for Anakin to become evil because of the visceral power of the Dark Side, or because he wished to save his wife, or because he hated the Jedi for being incompetent fools. Any one of these, or a combination thereof, would have been a predictable ending to the trilogy.

What we got was Anakin choosing to protect the life of Palpatine against an attempted murder, with the stated purpose of allowing for the justice system to decide Palpatine’s fate, and the unstated purpose of using the trial to discover if Palpatine actually has the knowledge to save Padme’s life. Immediately upon doing this, he abandons his plan to turn Palpatine in, apparently deciding that he himself must be evil now and a disciple of the most evil man in the galaxy, with his only stipulation that Palpatine save Padme. Nevermind that he has slaughtered a whole tribe of sentient beings and killed countless beings in the Clone Wars; now that he’s party to a murder in self defense, he decides that there are no backsies and is all-in with this evil thing. Then Palpatine admits that he doesn’t know how to save Padme, and Anakin doesn’t do the obvious thing and arrest the chancellor then and there. Instead he murders children, and after Padme is dead decides there’s nothing left to do than to become Palpatine’s lackey for 20-odd years. No reason for his turn rings true, not even his mad lust for power at the end since he believes Palpatine, for all his deception, is still his closest friend. In the end, Anakin turned not because he was evil, but because he was confused and stupid.

That’s an ending that I didn’t see coming, that’s for sure.

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Tobar said:

While we’re on the subject.

Man, I’ve waited years for that film.
I contributed to the kickstarter back in 2012 and I was almost beginning to think the film would never get finished.


However, on the subject of people who consider Lynch pretentious.
I just don’t get it.

I’ve know people who’ll call the ending of The Shining brilliant, but who freaks out when someone does the same kind of thing, only for most of the movie (which is more-or-less what Lynch does).
Also, why is Dali a genius, but Lynch isn’t simply because he applies the same logic to a movie narrative?
I mean I completely agree that his films are the very definition of “niche”, but something not being made for everyone doesn’t automatically make it bad.
I think it’s pretty immature and ignorant to assume that just because something doesn’t work for you specifically that then it must by default be “bad”.

And also, I think it’s funny how people think Lynch’s ROTJ would have been weird. Do people honestly think Lucas would have allowed him to make a surreal SW movie? Lynch has after all directed pretty straight forward movies, including the sci-fi film Dune, which really is quite a normal sci-fi movie, considering the source material.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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The imagery of the bum-behind-the-restaurant in Mulholland Drive would be a pretty scary Emperor:

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Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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ZkinandBonez said:

Also, why is Dali a genius, but Lynch isn’t simply because he applies the same logic to a movie narrative?
I mean I completely agree that his films are the very definition of “niche”, but something not being made for everyone doesn’t automatically make it bad.
I think it’s pretty immature and ignorant to assume that just because something doesn’t work for you specifically that then it must by default be “bad”.

Exactly.

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

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There has been this recent softening of attitude towards the Prequels. Time heals all wounds for some. For me, I was never really burned by them. Lucas never “raped my childhood” as so many fans claimed happened to them.

The Prequels will always stand as a non-factor to me; neither enhancing nor detracting from the originals. In my book they’re another franchise altogether. With time it seems fans are trying to reconcile with the Prequels. I’ve learned to filter them out so I’ve never felt the need to reconcile.

For that matter I’ve pushed TFA out of my inner circle of SW films. Had TFA come out in 1979 or 80, we’d see it for what it was. An unrelated wannabe series made by a different studio by different creators. Like a cheap knock off minus the cheap part.

With that said, its still a good thing to be a SW fan alive in this time. There will be let downs. Looking forward to Rogue One and whatever else is around the corner. Even if anticipation is all there is.

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I’ve never actually seen that phrase used with regards to the prequels, just the SE’s.

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The Prequel dislike has softened because they have been pushed to the edge of the Star Wars franchise. Disney is clearly taking an OT-first policy in regards to classic content. Its not like when Lucas was still around and the PT was shoved down our throats. Its far easier to ignore them and therefore have less of a bitter taste.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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I’ve been noticing this myself lately. It seems like there’s a big rise in prequel-apologizing lately. Lots of people saying “ehh, they’re not that bad” or some kind of nostalgia kick. I’m watching a lot of The Star Wars Show (and after show) on YouTube, and it’s full of this weird thing where they keep slipping in PT love.

I’m not digging it.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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I still have yet to see photos of Jar Jar walking around Disney parks. Even Watto gets more love. 😉

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Tyrphanax said:

I’ve been noticing this myself lately. It seems like there’s a big rise in prequel-apologizing lately. Lots of people saying “ehh, they’re not that bad” or some kind of nostalgia kick. I’m watching a lot of The Star Wars Show (and after show) on YouTube, and it’s full of this weird thing where they keep slipping in PT love.

I’m not digging it.

I think the prequels had some good concepts. They don’t really work out in the movies, mostly because of Lucas (side note, I think the main cast of the prequels were all fine actors, even Hayden, they just lacked direction). There’s 3 main things that made the prequels tolerable for me; the RotS novelization, TCW TV show, and the fact that I was stupid and young when I first saw them. I set up an idealized version of the PT in my head, I performed some mental gymnastics to explain why TCW Anakin is so different from whiny and awkward movie Anakin, and I threw the RotS movie out and replaced it with the novelization.

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Jeebus said:

Tyrphanax said:

I’ve been noticing this myself lately. It seems like there’s a big rise in prequel-apologizing lately. Lots of people saying “ehh, they’re not that bad” or some kind of nostalgia kick. I’m watching a lot of The Star Wars Show (and after show) on YouTube, and it’s full of this weird thing where they keep slipping in PT love.

I’m not digging it.

I think the prequels had some good concepts. They don’t really work out in the movies, mostly because of Lucas (side note, I think the main cast of the prequels were all fine actors, even Hayden, they just lacked direction). There’s 3 main things that made the prequels tolerable for me; the RotS novelization, TCW TV show, and the fact that I was stupid and young when I first saw them. I set up an idealized version of the PT in my head, I performed some mental gymnastics to explain why TCW Anakin is so different from whiny and awkward movie Anakin, and I threw the RotS movie out and replaced it with the novelization.

Jake was not good. Granted he was a kid and it wasn’t really his fault, but just watch the TPM doc and tell me they made the right choice.

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I used to hate the PT, even recently, but now I just don’t care. They exist, they’re lame, O well. The SE’s, however, still disgust me.

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It’s not so much that I’m bothered by the existence of the PT, it’s more that I’m annoyed by people like in this documentary who for some reason have to justify that the movies were good.

It’s okay that they were bad. Bad movies happen. Just because they’re part of Star Wars doesn’t mean you have to make up reasons to like them.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

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imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Too many people act like movies should adhere to a strict, realistic narrative – that there should always be a clear series of events with a defined beginning, middle, and end, with characters acting/reacting logically. They don’t have to and they shouldn’t have to.

There’s nothing wrong with finding surrealist filmmaking not to your liking – if it’s not to your tastes, it’s not to your tastes. But when you insist that its bad – with no understanding of the genre – then you’re just being a narrow-minded populist.

You have just defended PT without noticing it.

Last time I checked SW was not an attempt at “surrealist filmmaking”.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.