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The Book Of Boba Fett (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * SPOILERS * — Page 13

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People are saying he doesn’t feel like Boba Fett from the past, but I’m not sure this is even the same guy who wasted Bib Fortuna without a second thought.

Anyway have I missed something but why does he need bacta baths in the present time and not right after the digestive pit?

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I think this is very well written. I love that these series have the time to dive so deeply into characters and their journeys. We’re learning so much about our favorite galaxy far, far away. As someone who’s had a life-changing realization, I completely on board with this arc. I’m betting this story hits home with a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. That’s a sign of greatness.

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Boba Fett realizes that if he continues to go down the same path as a bounty hunter, he won’t live very long, and/or he’ll be old and alone.

He doesn’t want to end up like his father. That’s why they keep showing him picking up his father’s helmet. He’s trying to go down a different path, but he has to establish himself as a notorious crime boss, and friends that will protect him.

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Mocata said:

People are saying he doesn’t feel like Boba Fett from the past, but I’m not sure this is even the same guy who wasted Bib Fortuna without a second thought.

Yeah, that’s why I included Mandalorian when I talked about how Boba used to act. If softboy Boba was really the result of natural character development, then why was he still acting like OG Boba even after the Tusken experience? It feels like he just did a complete 180 in personality the moment he sat on Jabba’s throne.

Anyway have I missed something but why does he need bacta baths in the present time and not right after the digestive pit?

So they can shoehorn in some Tusken flashbacks while still having the story feel somewhat cohesive. Not that I’m complaining, since the Tusken flashbacks are the best part of the show, but still.

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Having Qui-Gon go against the Jedi Code, be gay, and have an affair with Darth Maul is all certainly possible, but somehow it just feels like several bridges too far for me.

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ZkinandBonez said:

GuardianoftheWhills said:

Also, it’s really striking how much of the praise for the show is focused on fan service. But it’s not a substitute for a strong narrative and risks turning Star Wars into a zombie franchise.

I can’t speak for others, but I’m not enjoying the show so far because of fan service but because I think it has so far has been an interesting character story and I hope it will continue to be so. Sure, not every SW story needs to be a redemption arc, but it is very baked into the DNA of the franchise and I don’t think a series where Boba Fett is just a ruthless bounty hunter would be all that interesting. A character driven series needs more depth than that, and based on what we’ve been give so far I think we’ll get it.

Just because we’ve gotten one mediocre episode with some wonky effects and action I don’t think there’s any need to panic. I mean we’re not even halfway through the series yet.

We’ve had two mediocre episodes - 1 & 3.

Where is this interesting character story? Can you explain why you think it is compelling? In what way do you think this is adding to the characterisation of Boba Fett?

Why does a supposedly ruthless bounty hunter who’s been left for dead in the stomach of a monster and then experienced the loss of his new tribe want to rule with ‘respect’ (especially when almost everyone around him blatantly disrespects him)? Why doesn’t he want to get revenge or at least impose order? That would at least be consistent with his characterisation prior to this show. Why is he seemingly so naïve?

I cannot think of any well regarded series where the plot is as aimless as this. It’s like watching a Star Wars screensaver.

Episode 2 showed this could be better - I want it to be better. But even a good director can only take a story so far if the writing isn’t up to scratch.

We shouldn’t have to wade through an hour of mediocrity in the hope later episodes might be better. There are only seven episodes - they should all be high quality. If the producers can’t manage that then they should cut the number of episodes.

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I think they are saving all the fun stuff for the last 3 episodes, who knows. Maybe all their budget is in those last three episodes.

You know there’s going to be a turf war and that’s why the twins left, lots of casualties, not worth the bloodshed.

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CarboniteSolo said:

I think they are saving all the fun stuff for the last 3 episodes, who knows. Maybe all their budget is in those last three episodes.

You know there’s going to be a turf war and that’s why the twins left, lots of casualties, not worth the bloodshed.

Except Hutts love bloodshed, so they’re also out of character.

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I was optimistic from the first episode, not the best but was entertaining and trying to set things up.

Second episode much more positive, liking it.

Third episode … yikes.

DISCLAIMER: Just my opinion, if you are happy with it, more power to ya! I am not saying the episode is trash or trying to be one of those guys you see on youtube or whatever over blow stuff … but I gotta admit I was a bit disappointed with this episode. Had some good, but was outweighed by the bad/meh.

Although I will still be optimistic about it, but I am fairly confused with Boba himself since there seems to be such a difference from Mandolorian Boba and now Book Boba. I am a ok with character growth and having Boba start “Low” to then put in the work to grow (You know, what we wanted Rey to do in Sequels) but they seem to be very different SPECIFICALLY from these two shows. I did not like the biker gang and their Vespas since it took me out of the show … not fitting at all. They MAY have worked on Coruscant, but instead they stuck out like they were on the wrong set on their way to a cyberpunk party.

Plus … thing were kinda wrapped up so quickly. Oh looks Black Coursant (have to keep the joke going) is here! This will be a cool fight … Done and gone. Oh, the twins are going to cause so much trouble for Boba! … Oh sorry, here’s a pet and we are going. The Tusken tribe flash back, they are developing a relationship with Boba … Killed off screen.

Granted, I am still optimistic about this show and will be there till the end. There’s stuff I like about it, especially the improvement from Episode 2, but this was a bummer of an episode.

So both episodes Rodriquez directed were the least enjoyable thus far … hmmmm.

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You know, I’m now much more open to a fan edit of ROTJ where Boba Fett unquestionably dies.

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jarbear said:

I was optimistic from the first episode, not the best but was entertaining and trying to set things up.

Second episode much more positive, liking it.

Third episode … yikes.

My opinion too. I’m really going off this last episode - it might be my least favourite episode of live action Star Wars TV, even though I really loved the portrayal of Black Krrsantan.

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GuardianoftheWhills said:

ZkinandBonez said:

GuardianoftheWhills said:

Also, it’s really striking how much of the praise for the show is focused on fan service. But it’s not a substitute for a strong narrative and risks turning Star Wars into a zombie franchise.

I can’t speak for others, but I’m not enjoying the show so far because of fan service but because I think it has so far has been an interesting character story and I hope it will continue to be so. Sure, not every SW story needs to be a redemption arc, but it is very baked into the DNA of the franchise and I don’t think a series where Boba Fett is just a ruthless bounty hunter would be all that interesting. A character driven series needs more depth than that, and based on what we’ve been give so far I think we’ll get it.

Just because we’ve gotten one mediocre episode with some wonky effects and action I don’t think there’s any need to panic. I mean we’re not even halfway through the series yet.

We’ve had two mediocre episodes - 1 & 3.

To each their own, I think the first episode was a solid introduction to the show and much better than what The Mandalorian did with it’s first episode. It wasn’t fantastic, but it was entertaining and a good set-up for what was (and still is) to come.

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Where is this interesting character story? Can you explain why you think it is compelling? In what way do you think this is adding to the characterisation of Boba Fett?

Why does a supposedly ruthless bounty hunter who’s been left for dead in the stomach of a monster and then experienced the loss of his new tribe want to rule with ‘respect’ (especially when almost everyone around him blatantly disrespects him)? Why doesn’t he want to get revenge or at least impose order? That would at least be consistent with his characterisation prior to this show. Why is he seemingly so naïve?

Isn’t revenge and imposing order more or less what he’s trying to do? And again, we’re only three episodes in, so we don’t know how he’s going to treat the Nikto swoop gang or the Pykes, but based on the Tosche station scene and the train heist I can’t imagine it will be peaceful.

And why wouldn’t being swallowed by a monster and being left for dead give someone a second look at life? I think it’s time we accept that the ‘Man with No Name’ archetype that we saw in the 80’s doesn’t really exist anymore after Lucas changed (or rather created) Fett’s origin with AOTC, and it is this version the show is based on. We have someone who was raised by a bounty hunter–raised to follow in his footsteps, who then saw him killed before him, tried to avenge his death and failed, and who ended up spending the rest of his childhood living with criminals in the dingiest parts of the galaxy. Not to mention spending time in prison as a teenager. This guy has had a very tough life with a lot of conflicting morals, and after his humiliation during the fighting at Jabba’s sailbarge and his humbling experiences with the Tuskens he’s had what I feel is a very natural change of heart.

And let’s not forget that his solution to all of this is still effectively to become a better crime lord, so its not like he’s gone full hero-mode yet. He’s still interpreting things through the lens of a life lived surrounded by criminals, but his motivations are generally noble now and he’s not just looking out for himself anymore. The Tuskens became the family he needed and he saw how strong they were as a group, a new thing to someone who’s had to fend for himself since he was a child. Their brutality was something he could relate to, but the tribe mentality was something he never got with his fellow bounty hunters and criminals. (There’s even a TCW episode where his bounty hunter “friends” leave him behind to save themselves which results in him ending up in jail as a teenager.)

As for Fett being naïve, well, he’s been a killer for hire most of his life, and it’s not like he should know how to be a crime boss just because he’s worked for several of them, and he’s trying to do it in an unconventional manner as well. It’d have been pretty silly if he was just instantly good at it considering his background and his current motivations.

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I cannot think of any well regarded series where the plot is as aimless as this. It’s like watching a Star Wars screensaver.

At least BOBF is focused on the main character unlike something like The Witcher which seems hellbent on being about almost anyone but the titular character. And although BOBF is less episodic than The Mandalorian I still feel like I’m getting more out of each episode than I did watching something like GOT, which felt more like a 300 hour movie split into unstructured segments. Now I don’t watch too many new series, so maybe I’m missing out on some masterpieces, but BOBF has, despite its flaws (and again we’re not even halfway through the series), managed to engage me more than most new TV series that I’ve seen.

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Episode 2 showed this could be better - I want it to be better. But even a good director can only take a story so far if the writing isn’t up to scratch.

We shouldn’t have to wade through an hour of mediocrity in the hope later episodes might be better. There are only seven episodes - they should all be high quality. If the producers can’t manage that then they should cut the number of episodes.

I still don’t see what was so bad about episode 3. Less good than the previous two–especially chapter 2, yes, but even the slow speeder chase was still leagues ahead of the kind of VFX that would have even been possible a little over ten years ago on a TV budget.

And I don’t consider it filler either. Episode 1 was Boba Fett earning the respect of the Tuskens while failing to earn it in the present. Episode 2 was Fett becoming a member of the Tusken tribe and setting himself up as someone who fights for others rather than simply himself. Episode 3 is Fett taking the first steps in successfully leading with respect and starting to build up his new “family”. I’d say this series is more structured than many popular modern TV series and that it has a reasonable pacing for a miniseries.

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I agree ZkinandBonez

Fans complain because Rey Skywalker was so strong with the force and didn’t need hardly any training at all, yet Boba Fett is learning as he goes, and everyone is mad at that.

This is new territory for him, he used to capture his prey and get paid for it, this is new to him.

Yes, it’s a slow start, but so was Dances with Wolves or Avatar.

I’ve liked everything so far, except the futuristic biker gang with their colorful bikes and cybernetics , they felt so out of place on Tatooine.

Boba Fett is earning their trust and their loyalty.

The Trandoshans will be next, he’ll be talking to them in the next episode, so that they join him in removing the Pyke Syndicate.

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So…

Why is Boba doing this stuff? Why did he go back to Tatooine, kill Bib and declare himself Daimyo? It doesn’t take much Wikipedia to confirm that, in feudal Japan, daimyo served under shogun. If that applies here, who was Jabba’s shogun???

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timdiggerm said:

So…

Why is Boba doing this stuff? Why did he go back to Tatooine, kill Bib and declare himself Daimyo?

I feel that what the show (particularly last week’s ‘tree vision’ sequence) is trying to convey, is that Boba has felt trapped in the identity of a bounty hunter - which he just borrowed from Jango - for a while, and feels the need to reinvent himself. When ensnared in the tree branches he has flashbacks to his past, and only breaks free of said past by breaking the branch which is what forms his new gaffi stick: a crucial part of his new identity.

It doesn’t take much Wikipedia to confirm that, in feudal Japan, daimyo served under shogun. If that applies here, who was Jabba’s shogun???

Yeah, but the term Daimyo is pretty loosely applied to this context anyway. It likely doesn’t have the same specifics it did in feudal times and is used just for cool factor (which I don’t mind at all)

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CarboniteSolo said:

I agree ZkinandBonez

Fans complain because Rey Skywalker was so strong with the force and didn’t need hardly any training at all, yet Boba Fett is learning as he goes, and everyone is mad at that.

This is new territory for him, he used to capture his prey and get paid for it, this is new to him.

Yes, it’s a slow start, but so was Dances with Wolves or Avatar.

I’ve liked everything so far, except the futuristic biker gang with their colorful bikes and cybernetics , they felt so out of place on Tatooine.

Boba Fett is earning their trust and their loyalty.

The Trandoshans will be next, he’ll be talking to them in the next episode, so that they join him in removing the Pyke Syndicate.

Since I don’t follow much on youtube/twitter/etc., but of course at least have heard how upset people are. Don’t get me wrong, I am fine with character development and Boba is doing something new and is building something other than just be a gun-slinging bounty hunter show. That I get and am ok with this direction. I like growth and character development.

I can understand that there does seem to be a bit of a discrepancy from what we saw in Mandolorian. I think probably the “hate” or “upset” mentality or whatever probably wouldn’t be as bad if our introduction of Boba wasn’t till we saw him right now and the angle we see him at and not the “Let’s get this done” as we first saw him on Mandolorian. Again, I am a ok development … it’s just been a little inconsistent with what we’ve seen before AND now with this episode, even more so. (Like sees a gang causing trouble and is like “Sure, lets work together!” … or how Boba walks in after “the crew” fight BK and fortunately forces him into the rancor pit and he walks in just wearing a rob?! Wouldn’t he be suited up and be ready for anything since he ALMOST GOT KILLED?!)

Anyway, I am still hopeful and have enjoyed the show and although I like main characters to grow AND he is trying to be something different … but it’s just a bit inconsistent and we need to see that although he is being something more … don’t go against Boba.

… lord that bike gang is rough though…

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Exactly Jedi_bendu, he doesn’t want to be what he was before, he wants to grow and become something different.

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timdiggerm said:

So…

Why is Boba doing this stuff? Why did he go back to Tatooine, kill Bib and declare himself Daimyo? It doesn’t take much Wikipedia to confirm that, in feudal Japan, daimyo served under shogun. If that applies here, who was Jabba’s shogun???

As I said I’m enjoying it but his motivations aren’t being done justice by the story. I’m hopeful it will be fleshed out. I can rationalize that he’s older, went through trauma, etc but the story should make his motivations more central. He could do anything, so why Tatooine?

I wish they used a more familiar term than daimyo. I also wish they didn’t use the term majordomo - it was bizarre and funny for Mr. Fortuna to have that title, now it just feels like recycling.

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Mrebo said:

timdiggerm said:

So…

Why is Boba doing this stuff? Why did he go back to Tatooine, kill Bib and declare himself Daimyo? It doesn’t take much Wikipedia to confirm that, in feudal Japan, daimyo served under shogun. If that applies here, who was Jabba’s shogun???

As I said I’m enjoying it but his motivations aren’t being done justice by the story. I’m hopeful it will be fleshed out. I can rationalize that he’s older, went through trauma, etc but the story should make his motivations more central. He could do anything, so why Tatooine?

Because of the Tuskens I’d imagine. He’s already had a vision related to the planets history, carved his own gaffu stick, joined a tribe, etc. not to mention that it is the site of both of his figurative rebirths. I’d say the planet has become his new home. And I’m sure well get even more with him and the Tuskens in future episodes.

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Ultimately the main issue is theres no actual character development “arc” as we go from the old bad ass Bobba to Rancor hugging compassionate Fett way to quickly.

I look forward to seeing what fanedits can do to better portray Bobbas transition arc though.

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Darth Muffy said:

Ultimately the main issue is theres no actual character development “arc” as we go from the old bad ass Bobba to Rancor hugging compassionate Fett way to quickly.

I look forward to seeing what fanedits can do to better portray Bobbas transition arc though.

They have to tell this story in 7 chapters, instead of 10 or 22, and they’re not 1 hour long chapters either. They are condensing his story drastically, I mean how long was he really with the Tusken raiders, I’m sure it wasn’t a couple of days or a week. As stated before, when that lizard went up his nose and he was in that tree and broke that branch, he came out a new man, different from that of Boba Fett the bounty hunter.

He came out with a new honor code, one that helped the Mandalorian complete his mission.

He’s the same man, he just goes by different values than before.

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Also, he respects lower life forms, what’s wrong with that?

Luke Skywalker was buddies with a Taun Taun. Why can’t Fett be excited to ride a Rancor.

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Yep episode 3 was rough. Big chunks of if felt more like a crappy episode of Doctor Who than a Star Wars show.

But the biggest issue for me is Boba Fett just seems like a moron. I have no problem with character growth or a change of heart. But you don’t magically go from being a calculating man of action (who’s both fearsome enough to talk back to Darth Vader and successful enough to be “the most notorious bounty hunter in the galaxy”) to suddenly needing your assistant to make all your decisions and tell you how everything works and being dumb enough to watch the majordomo guy walk away and close the door in your face when he’s clearly been giving you the run around. And then going and pushing the open button like that was ever going to work!?

I had no problem believing Boba Fett in The Mandalorian was the same guy we saw in ESB but with additional growth (the fact he saw through helping Mando even after he already got what he wanted). But the way he’s written in this show feels like an entirely different (and stupider) person, not someone who’s grown or had a change of heart.

Enough complaining, I’ll end on a positive note:

Black Krrsantan (sp?) was awesome. Loved every moment he was on screen.

I also liked that Boba was into his new pet rancor. Even bad guys like their pets!

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Darth Muffy said:

Ultimately the main issue is theres no actual character development “arc” as we go from the old bad ass Bobba to Rancor hugging compassionate Fett way to quickly.

Too quickly or not, I don’t even get why they chose this path. Boba being nice and respectful, there is absolutely no point. It’s a complete waste of a character.

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I think some of the division comes from people more familiar with old EU Boba or how he was generally characterised pre-AOTC vs. people more familiar with the ‘softer’, more sympathetic Boba of TCW and similar. Finally escaping his father’s bounty hunter life and putting down some roots is kind of a warm/happy direction to take his story, but it’s very much a continuation of AOTC/TCW sad Boba’s arc, and not so much the heartless guy his original ESB voice and ‘no disintegrations’ etc. implied.

Turning villains into antiheros is always a bit controversial because it feels like a cop out, but this is Star Wars after all, which has always been very soppy about that sort of thing - people blame the ‘family-friendliness’ on Disney, but Lucas was just as insistent that Star Wars was for children and should generally be positive (it’s even rumoured that the Underworld series that was written but never produced under GL would have had the Emperor gain a sympathetic, tragic backstory of some kind).