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suspiciouscoffee said:

The Bourne Ultimatum - 6/10

Throughout this film, one thought sat in my head. “Gee, I sure wish I was watching Identity again.” Not a bad film, but like Supremacy before it, it fails to live up to the first movie.

I completely concur. Personally, I think The Bourne Ultimatum is only a few notches above The Bourne Legacy for the franchise’s weakest film. It gets a lot of credit for “wrapping up” the original trilogy. But, really, the prior two movies demanded nor merited such a conclusion.

Lazily, similar to Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade (which is far superior), The Bourne Ultimatum, as third movie, recycles imagery and plot, using its status as “the grand finale” as an excuse. Actual development from the previous movies- the CIA shutting down Treadstone and no longer using assassins- is rescinded, in favor of having a Treadstone clone called Blackbriar really have been running all this time. Even action scenes are similar: again, we have an apartment fight scene, but this time 'round, it lacks clarity with the shaky-cam aesthetic, exacerbated ad nauseam. The ending, with its reuse of dialogue and imagery from the best film in the franchise, is unearned, if momentarily entertaining.

Moreover, it goes so far as to retroactively weaken The Bourne Supremacy. By taking place directly after that film, for unknown reasons, it tries to reframe its vastly superior self-contained predecessor as Part 1 of a larger story. The movie cannot think of any better motivation for Bourne than to recycle angst over Marie’s death. Worst of all, Supremacy’s wonderful ending, which still left enough room for possible follow-ups, was somewhat marred, in my opinion by the final scene’s recontextualization within the plot of Ultimatum. The seemingly straightforward and honest conversation between Landy and Bourne is now “spy-talk,” which has to be awkwardly fitted into the plot of the movie. Part of the brilliance of Supremacy was that, taking its cue from second Bond film, From Russia with Love, it had the CIA and Bourne being unwittingly pitted against each other by a third party. The ending of Supremacy asserted that both Landy and Bourne were smart enough to see they were being played and choose to reluctantly reconcile with each other; Bourne Ultimatum reneges on that, in order to have the CIA once more chasing after Bourne.

Perhaps Ultimatum’s greatest sin, however, is taking its sole original idea: the notion that Jason Bourne himself is responsible for his creation, with no manipulation necessary, and failing miserably to develop it. Such a revelation should theoretically be horrendously devastating to the Bourne character, but the film deprives us of no such intriguing emotional reaction. For all the faults of the new Bourne movie, at least it was smart enough to take retroactively note of what a radical game-changing development this revelation should have been.

Instead, Ultimatum ends with the recycled line, “Look at us. Look what THEY make you give” even though Bourne, throughout the runtime, has learned no one made him give anything.

2 out of 4 stars.

(For the record, my ratings for the other films in the franchise are:

The Bourne Identity (1988)- a reverent, if awkward attempt at Ludlum- 2.5 out of 4 stars
The Bourne Identity (2002)- the heart of the franchise- 4 out of 4 stars
The Bourne Supremacy (2004)- the franchise’s most crafty tale- 3.5 out of 4 stars
The Bourne Legacy (2011)- often boring with flashes of intrigue- 1.4 out of 4 stars
Jason Bourne (2016)- a messy, if not unique sequel- 3 out of 4 stars)

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Freddy vs. Jason (2003)

It was stupid, daft and completely over the top, but really, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have heaps of fun watching this, especially in the second half. It was great to see Robert Englund back in the role of Freddy Krueger, and he did a great job. The other acting was mostly mediocre, I can’t really point out any performance that was any worse or better than the others (apart from Englund’s). The action was great fun to watch, and the final confrontation did not disappoint (unlike the one from Alien vs. Predator).

4/10

After careful consideration, I’m changing my score for this film. It was indeed quite poor.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Why would you carefully consider anything about that movie?

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I saw that in theaters. My friend and I were the only ones there.

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I saw it twice! Had a blast! I’ve seen it a time or two since as well. I don’t care if it’s silly (of course it it, read it’s title), it’s a ton of fun.
I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. He seems hung up on what other think vs. his own experience with a film. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

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Since this thread made me aware of its existence:

I Killed My Lesbian Wife, Hung Her On A Meathook, and Now I Have A Three Picture Deal At Disney - 2/10

I think Batfleck really got triggered by the name Martha because it reminded him of a character from this short, and by extention this short.

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Train to Busan (2016)

I’m no connoisseur of the genre but this was undoubtedly the best film of its kind that I’ve seen in years. Very intense and heartbreaking at times.

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ray_afraid said:

I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

A bit of both, actually.

Not enough people read the EU.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

A bit of both, actually.

You should avoid letting other people’s reviews alter your opinion much on a movie. It makes sense because sometimes people can really bring big aspects of something to your attention, but I try to stay independent of other people’s opinions. After 30 years of being a Japanese scientist, I can tell you that most specimens are happier if they just embrace their own opinions.

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moviefreakedmind said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

A bit of both, actually.

You should avoid letting other people’s reviews alter your opinion much on a movie.

I do try, but so much of the time I’ll read or watch a review and go “oh yeah, he’s completely right, that was in fact bad/good” Lack of free will, perhaps.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Yeah, I get what you’re saying. I hated Suicide Squad until I found out that Chris Stuckmann disliked it, now it’s my favorite movie.

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moviefreakedmind said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

A bit of both, actually.

You should avoid letting other people’s reviews alter your opinion much on a movie. It makes sense because sometimes people can really bring big aspects of something to your attention, but I try to stay independent of other people’s opinions. After 30 years of being a Japanese scientist, I can tell you that most specimens are happier if they just embrace their own opinions.

I thought you were a 30-year-old scientist living in Japan.

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TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

ray_afraid said:

I’m guessing LuckyGungan read some unfavorable reviews (of which there are many and I understand why) and decided to change his score. Of course, the fun could have worn off fast after the film was over leaving him with a changed opinion.

A bit of both, actually.

You should avoid letting other people’s reviews alter your opinion much on a movie. It makes sense because sometimes people can really bring big aspects of something to your attention, but I try to stay independent of other people’s opinions. After 30 years of being a Japanese scientist, I can tell you that most specimens are happier if they just embrace their own opinions.

I thought you were a 30-year-old scientist living in Japan.

Don’t embarrass yourself. I am smart. The facts have taught me to that. Peasants like you don’t know what it’s like to be a Japanese scientist like I am.

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Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)

It was…good, I guess. I don’t understand all of the criticisms, but I do understand some of them. Though it was slow paced, it rarely felt boring. The visual were very good, and mostly held up. The music was spectacular, I didn’t know that The Next Generation’s main theme debuted in this movie. My main problem was that the characters didn’t act right. None of them showed the charm and fun that they exhibited in the series, and the plot was really strange and convoluted. All in all though, I mostly liked this film.

6/10

Not enough people read the EU.

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Not sure if that was directed at me, but just in case, I don’t care about recycled music. I was just pointing out it’s weird to say the Next Gen music debuted in TPM.

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TV’s Frink said:

I was just pointing out it’s weird to say the Next Gen music debuted in TPM.

That is weird, considering Next Gen started in 1987 and The Phantom Menace came out in 1999.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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TV’s Frink said:

Not sure if that was directed at me…

Every post on this site is directed at you.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.

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Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare (1991)

Ha! What a trip! It was far from high art, but how entertaining! It took itself even less seriously than Freddy vs. Jason, which is saying a lot. Robert Englund is clearly having the time of his life in this film, cracking one liners and jokes like there’s no tomorrow. The characters aren’t particularly developed, but the actors do okay. My thoughts on Freddy vs. Jason carry over to this film. A fun filled, adventurous romp that never takes itself seriously, though again, I can’t really justify giving this any higher than a:

5/10

Not enough people read the EU.

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LG, did you watch all the NOES films, or just #s 1, 3, 7 & 6?

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