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Also deplorable acting with a few exceptions
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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 29
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I don’t think that the politics in and of themselves were an inherently bad decision. In the hands of another director it could’ve been very interesting. The “it’s called Star WARS” argument has always felt kind of reductive and trite to me (not meant to be a shot at you or your post, suspiciouscoffee). But anyway, the performances, the direction, the writing, the tone, and the CG-as-first-resort approach to the effects about covers it for me. I go through phases of weird fascination with them and their place in the larger SW universe so I’m unwilling to completely ignore/reject them like a lot of folks here, but I’d never call them good or even successful movies.
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O yeah, in the right hands, the political aspects pf a Star Wars movie could have worked very well. The prequels, since they were in the wrong hands, often feel like C-SPAN in space, which is boring. If it was interesting, I’d be okay with a Star Cold War. However, if handled in a Lucasian way, then no.
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I have 3 levels of Star Wars Glory when comparing the theatrical versions of the films:
Group #1
ESB
ANH
Group #2
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
Group #3
TPM
AOTC
I consider TPM and AOTC pretty poor films but not “batman and robin” bad. I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects. And then IMO ANH and ESB are untouchable masterpieces that should be worshipped day in and night out.
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I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.
ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).
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I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.
ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).
What ROTJ fan edit ? Real question: I’m very fond of ROTJ but I’m interested by an edit that could correct minor silliness. Even if to my view ROTS (as a fan edit) is a good and enjoyable movie, ROTJ will always rank higher (the fun Jabba overture, the moving Luke-Vader-Palpatine confrontation, some parts of the Endor subplot, and the action packed space battle: very good stuff).
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- ESB/ROTJ
- ANH
- TPM
- ROTS/AOTC
- TFA
It’s difficult for me to compare TFA directly to the prequels, because I think it’s bad for different reasons, but honestly as much as I dislike the PT TFA is just on another level for me. I feel like it has way better production values and it doesn’t have the glaringly bad acting of the PT, but the whole thing feels so forced and artifical and I found the character interactions to be completely unbelievable and did not care what happened to any of them. I’ve hardly felt so little for characters in a film before. I got the distinct feeling that they were trying very hard to recreate the kind of banter that made ANH great but it just fell flat on its face IMO. The best summation of what I’m trying to get at here is put well in this excerpt from a quora post:
In real life people do not form instant trusting friendships, even when rescued. In Ep4 Luke spends most of the film thinking Han Solo is arrogant and selfish. Despite being saved by him several times, Leia also thinks that Solo is obnoxious, mainly because he is, but she also fancies him. She thinks that Luke is a nobody. R2D2 and C3PO have, at best, a love/hate relationship. These relationships between the characters aren’t wildly complicated, but they are varied, and realistic. Their interactions change as the films progress, and so do our attitudes towards them. It builds involvement.
The way relationships are portrayed In Ep7 is that if someone rescues someone else they are instantly BFFs. And everyone gets on just great. And completely trusts everyone else. All the time. The only relationship between protagonists with any kind of complexity is Han/Leia, which is a carry over from the previous films. This kind of weird emotional landscape is so alien, it destroys any chance of empathy that proper character detailing might have created. Are all of these space people on MDMA?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-hate-The-Force-Awakens
The above killed the movie for me and put it beneath AOTC, because the camaraderie between the different characters I think is where most of the “magic” of Star Wars comes from . As bad as the writing and acting were in the PT, I did actually care about (some) of the characters and found their interactions somewhat realistic, despite the poor dialogue.
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SW was always meant to be political - the Rebels were meant to be the Viet Cong IN SPACE! Arguably the OT failed at this, though, since Ronald Reagan liked the movies enough to adopt their rhetoric.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
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Ronald Reagan liked the movies enough to adopt their rhetoric.
He also thought Springsteen’s ‘Born in the USA’ was patriotic… the man was a pop-culture jackass 😉
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But why are the prequels so much worse? I think they’re more or less on par.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-Didnt-You-Like-About-ROTS/id/47997
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Seriously, where did all the PT fans come from? I thought they had been wiped out by Plinkett.
Except that Plinket is a HORRIBLE reviewer. I know allot of other people who dislike the prequels but none of them make as bad of an argument as he does.
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Seriously, where did all the PT fans come from? I thought they had been wiped out by Plinkett.
Except that Plinket is a HORRIBLE reviewer. I know allot of other people who dislike the prequels but none of them make as bad of an argument as he does.
He’s pretty much saying what most people say when they shit on the PT so I don’t really see your point.
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Plinkett isn’t wrong and those reviews have more than their share of funny moments, but I’ve never been comfortable with the whole wife murdering angle.
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I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.
ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).
What ROTJ fan edit ? Real question: I’m very fond of ROTJ but I’m interested by an edit that could correct minor silliness. Even if to my view ROTS (as a fan edit) is a good and enjoyable movie, ROTJ will always rank higher (the fun Jabba overture, the moving Luke-Vader-Palpatine confrontation, some parts of the Endor subplot, and the action packed space battle: very good stuff).
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Plinkett isn’t wrong and those reviews have more than their share of funny moments, but I’ve never been comfortable with the whole wife murdering angle.
If your interested, my edits, which remove all of that, are almost done.
Maybe I should start a thread for em? I dunno.
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Plinkett isn’t wrong and those reviews have more than their share of funny moments, but I’ve never been comfortable with the whole wife murdering angle.
If your interested, my edits, which remove all of that, are almost done.
Maybe I should start a thread for em? I dunno.
Be my guest.
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allot
Stop saying that, it’s not a word.
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Seriously, where did all the PT fans come from? I thought they had been wiped out by Plinkett.
Except that Plinket is a HORRIBLE reviewer. I know allot of other people who dislike the prequels but none of them make as bad of an argument as he does.
He’s pretty much saying what most people say when they shit on the PT so I don’t really see your point.
Actually their is a comic book reviewer called Linkara who does not like the prequels either. He however described Qui-Gone Jinn as a a inconsiderate daredevil who never trusts anybody but himself(I should also note that the guy considers Qui-Gone Jinn to be the worst Jedie ever).
As somebody who does not hate Jinn I can still agree.
How did Stoklasa and his gang describe the guy.
As stoic and nothing else. Pfft amateurs.
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Qui-Gon Jinn is a good character, but a lame Jedi:
- got killed by a Sith
- his inofficial apprentice becomes Vader
- his former Master became Sidous apprentice
Something got wrong with Jinn, and it is actually said in TPM, as if he was a member of a third order, not with the dark side, not completely with the light, between. He tries to set things right by helping Yoda and Ben how to live through the Force but the harm was done. Could be fun to see his force ghost in Ep VIII, along with Hayden’s.
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Plinkett isn’t wrong and those reviews have more than their share of funny moments, but I’ve never been comfortable with the whole wife murdering angle.
Agree entirely
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I have 3 levels of Star Wars Glory when comparing the theatrical versions of the films:
Group #1
ESB
ANHGroup #2
ROTJ
TFA
ROTSGroup #3
TPM
AOTCI consider TPM and AOTC pretty poor films but not “batman and robin” bad. I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects. And then IMO ANH and ESB are untouchable masterpieces that should be worshipped day in and night out.
I agree with this.
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Agree with the above list completely.
Setting aside TFA for a moment, given the massive popularity and cultural impact of Star Wars, you’d think we were talking about six great films.
But IMO, when it comes down to it you’ve got two great films, two “good” films, and two not so great films. In any event, I’d rank them all thusly:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
TFM
ATOC (which I find to be borderline unwatchable)
I’m tempted to place TFA above ROTJ, but OT nostalgia wins out.
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Seriously, where did all the PT fans come from? I thought they had been wiped out by Plinkett.
https://youtu.be/4sU7bsDhgxU?t=53s
This shit is resurrecting them^
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
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“Boo…hoo” kills me every time.
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Qui-Gone Jinn
Did he change his name after he died?