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But it’s not in AOTC.
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TV’s Frink said:
OBI-WAN: I’m so sorry.
I fairness that’s actually a good line in the PT
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The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him
I was about to make a post but I guess I don’t need to.
What I would add is that this kind of fundamental annoying crap is the real deal breaker when it comes to PT. Bad acting or dialogue are mere mild annoyances.
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The argument that George Lucas always intended the Jedi to be selfless and emotionless people is not true. Hell, in the first draft of TPM (found here: http://starwarsuniverse2.tripod.com/id7.html) Obi-Wan ends up falling in love with Anakin’s mother!
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Your ideas are interesting and I wish to subscribe to your podcast.
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Almost everything, from the writing, to the directing and the editing. I do like Rose Byrne, though.
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Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I think it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.
What?
It was pretty obvious that Anakin suffered from Manic Depressive Disorder or Bipolar Disorder.
These are common symptoms of Bipolar Disorder:
Delusions of grandeur (“I will be the greatest Jedi ever. I will even learn how to stop people from dying”)
Either sleeping excessively or experiencing insomnia (Anakin wakes up early because he cannot sleep)
Extreme restlessness and extreme depression (Anakin is constantly active, has intense bursts of energy, throws things, weeps bitterly, and massacres the Tusken Raiders when his mother dies)
Rapid and unprovoked mood swings (Anakin’s mood is always unpredictable)
Hallucinations or visions (Anakin sees hallucinatory visions of his mother)
An inability to concentrate (Obi-Wan always tells Anakin to concentrate)
The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him, not cringe at his creepy attempts to seduce Padme, even if this creepiness was intended.
The same can be said of all in-universe explanations of the PT’s faults. Sure, Palpatine can use the dark side to make the Jedi order stupid, but does it make for a good movie if the protagonists are a bunch of idiots?
These inconsistencies between how Obi Wan describes the Jedi and Anakin in Star Wars vs. how they are portrayed in the PT transforms him from a wise wizard to a senile old man, when his character was already weakened by making him a liar (from a certain point of view) in Empire.
The Jedi Council was not foolish; the dark side clouded its ability to prophecy the future.
The Jedi Council was suspicious of Palpatine in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan informed the Jedi Council that Count Dooku had told him that the senate was under the control of a Sith Lord, and he asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. It was impossible to accuse Palpatine without any evidence.
If Anakin was not emotionally disturbed at all in Attack of the Clones, his transformation to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith would have been rushed and unbelievable.
I always thought that Padmé never thought of Anakin as creepy; she was only playing hard to get.
Anakin was a Jedi Knight, a war hero in the Clone Wars, a cunning warrior, and the best pilot in the galaxy. Obi-Wan was not lying.
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The argument that George Lucas always intended the Jedi to be selfless and emotionless people is not true. Hell, in the first draft of TPM (found here: http://starwarsuniverse2.tripod.com/id7.html) Obi-Wan ends up falling in love with Anakin’s mother!
I can’t decide if you are trying to be funny or you genuinely believe that these ‘rough drafts’ were written by Lucas.
I’m guessing the former.
Haha!
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him
I was about to make a post but I guess I don’t need to.
What I would add is that this kind of fundamental annoying crap is the real deal breaker when it comes to PT. Bad acting or dialogue are mere mild annoyances.
I still think that, had they wrote better dialogues, in the end we would’ve not seen Anakin as a jerk, but more like a young rebel (no SW pun intended!)
The argument that George Lucas always intended the Jedi to be selfless and emotionless people is not true. Hell, in the first draft of TPM (found here: http://starwarsuniverse2.tripod.com/id7.html) Obi-Wan ends up falling in love with Anakin’s mother!
:\ Those look like fakes. Anyway, I think Qui-gon is the one falling with Miss Skywalker 😄
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The argument that George Lucas always intended the Jedi to be selfless and emotionless people is not true. Hell, in the first draft of TPM (found here: http://starwarsuniverse2.tripod.com/id7.html) Obi-Wan ends up falling in love with Anakin’s mother!
And Han Solo was originally supposed to be a reptilian alien. Scripts change. However, the fact that the Jedi Code forbids romantic love in Attack of the Clones is not inconsistent with anything explicitly stated in the Original Trilogy. It may be inconsistent with how you imagined the Jedi, but that is a purely subjective objection.
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And the past of Star Wars should have stayed purely subjective.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
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Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I think it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.
What?
It was pretty obvious that Anakin suffered from Manic Depressive Disorder or Bipolar Disorder.
These are common symptoms of Bipolar Disorder:
Delusions of grandeur (“I will be the greatest Jedi ever. I will even learn how to stop people from dying”)
Either sleeping excessively or experiencing insomnia (Anakin wakes up early because he cannot sleep)
Extreme restlessness and extreme depression (Anakin is constantly active, has intense bursts of energy, throws things, weeps bitterly, and massacres the Tusken Raiders when his mother dies)
Rapid and unprovoked mood swings (Anakin’s mood is always unpredictable)
Hallucinations or visions (Anakin sees hallucinatory visions of his mother)
An inability to concentrate (Obi-Wan always tells Anakin to concentrate)
The problem is not that Anakin isn’t realistically portrayed as a jerk, it’s that he acts like a jerk at all. He’s supposed to be one of the main characters, in the OT he was described as a great man and a good friend, we should be relating to him and care for him, not cringe at his creepy attempts to seduce Padme, even if this creepiness was intended.
The same can be said of all in-universe explanations of the PT’s faults. Sure, Palpatine can use the dark side to make the Jedi order stupid, but does it make for a good movie if the protagonists are a bunch of idiots?
These inconsistencies between how Obi Wan describes the Jedi and Anakin in Star Wars vs. how they are portrayed in the PT transforms him from a wise wizard to a senile old man, when his character was already weakened by making him a liar (from a certain point of view) in Empire.The Jedi Council was not foolish; the dark side clouded its ability to prophecy the future.
The Jedi Council was suspicious of Palpatine in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan informed the Jedi Council that Count Dooku had told him that the senate was under the control of a Sith Lord, and he asked Anakin to spy on Palpatine. It was impossible to accuse Palpatine without any evidence.
If Anakin was not emotionally disturbed at all in Attack of the Clones, his transformation to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith would have been rushed and unbelievable.
I always thought that Padmé never thought of Anakin as creepy; she was only playing hard to get.
Anakin was a Jedi Knight, a war hero in the Clone Wars, a cunning warrior, and the best pilot in the galaxy. Obi-Wan was not lying.
You can say that the coucil’s judgement is clouded all day long, but it doesn’t make it a good idea to begin with. Watching the prequels, Palpatine must have clouded the judgement of half the galaxy to pull off his plan. It is still a boring plot device to rely on the protagonist’s stupidity, no matter how well this stupidity is explained.
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Almost everything, from the writing, to the directing and the editing. I do like Rose Byrne, though.
I was all like, what? Then I looked it up and she played Dorme.
Oh.
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By the way, is reading this thread what it is like spending time at TF.n?
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I have heard lots of bad things about TFN. But what’s the real deal?
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By the way, is reading this thread what it is like spending time at TF.n?
Yes – if you remove 95% of the posts contesting Scott109’s statements and replace them with posts supporting them.
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The argument that George Lucas always intended the Jedi to be selfless and emotionless people is not true. Hell, in the first draft of TPM (found here: http://starwarsuniverse2.tripod.com/id7.html) Obi-Wan ends up falling in love with Anakin’s mother!
I can’t decide if you are trying to be funny or you genuinely believe that these ‘rough drafts’ were written by Lucas.
I’m guessing the former.
Haha!
That’s SuperShadow material, so he must be joking.
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Just thinking about SuperShadow reminds me of my brothers and I joking that “JJ Abrams is SuperShadow” when he was announced to be working on the new SW. I wonder if it’s true.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
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I don’t even know where to start with a question as broad as “What is wrong with Attack of the Clones?”
My main complaint is that the whole thing was just so boring. Not to mention nothing made any sense. The two of those coupled together is what made it so impossible for me to watch.
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Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I think it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.
What?
I know right?
Of course the story makes sense. That’s not the issue. When I first saw AotC in cinemas with friends one of them quite confidently said it was their favourite Star Wars movie, and no one at all was disappointed in it.
I don’t think GL is trying to make any statement whatsoever about psychological disorders.
Normative life in films is boring, and if you look back to first movie what we see is that a farm-boy living a normative life is put into an extraordinary position in the first act of the movie. Yet in AotC, Anakin is very much living the “normal” Jedi life at least well into the second act. I don’t think it’s a bad movie, but there is clear room for improvement especially in the second act of the film. It does have a strong third act, I’m not sure that Yoda fighting Dooku was the right move, but let me tell you on premiere the audience loved it. But the reason they loved it wasn’t because it was a great scene - they loved seeing Yoda step outside of his normative behaviour.
Anyway, For a good while I used to think that AotC was my favourite prequel. I absolutely loathed Sith with its weak and predictable third act. But over time AotC has become my least favourite of the prequels. It was far less original than TPM,and ended on a really pathetic cliff-hanger that we all knew the outcome of. ESB ended on a real cliff-hanger. There was also a clear lack of new characters to the franchise. It would have been nice to have explored the back-story of Sidious, but that wasn’t done either.
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To answer the original question:
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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Which reminds me I still can’t make any sense of Dooku trying to kill Obi-wan with a finish blow and then, after defeating Anakin too but before Yoda arrives, his decision to not kill them anymore. It seems to me the only reason Dooku was trying to kill Obi-wan was to create suspense until Anakin could stand up again, but there’s no in-universe explaination otherwise :\
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Palpatine clouded his judgement.
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Is the romance between Anakin and Padmé really that unrealistic? I believe it is a psychologically accurate portrayal of a woman falling in love with a man suffering from Bipolar Disorder, an occurrence which happens much more frequently than you would imagine.
My sister is bipolar. You have grossly misunderstood what bipolar disorder is. Yes, I have read your follow-ups.
Critics often scoff at the moment when Anakin says, “I don’t like sand. It’s course and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.” But if you grew up on a desert planet and associated sand with slavery and with abandoning your mother at a young age, you would hate sand as well.
That line might not be the best written line of script in cinema history but I think that most of all it was badly performed. The purpose of the line is to segue from the topic that Padmé is talking about into making a compliment – as part of Anakin’s advances towards Padmé. A good actor would understand that and maybe pull it off sounding flirty instead of creepy. However George Lucas’ failed to get a good performance out of Christensen when he directed the scene.
You were only eight when you saw the movie the first time and your experience of the movie then is obviously what has stuck in your head.
I was seven when I first saw Star Wars (ANH) – and I understood first in adulthood many things that had gone completely over my head when I was seven.
If Anakin was not emotionally disturbed at all in Attack of the Clones, his transformation to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith would have been rushed and unbelievable.
It was still rushed and unbelievable. Anakin’s fall to the dark side started in AOTC and the start should have been the strongest, most important event in the movie. I find that lack to be AOTC’s largest failing.
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I’m not sure that Yoda fighting Dooku was the right move
I’m quite sure it wasn’t.