Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 15

ZkinandBonez said:

That’s an interesting thought. It hadn’t even occurred to me that Rey might have seen into the future.

Well in the Force Vision she also sees Kylo Ren popping from behind a tree where their confrontation later takes place on SKB. Funny thing is though that Kylo Ren had his mask on in the vision but not when the actual fight went down.

I’m also quite intrigued by what a “monk of Ren” implies.

It’s been rumored that the KoR are like the Church of The Force; non force sensitives that worship The Force. Maybe this Monk is the only KoR with the exception of Kylo that can draw upon The Force.

I have to doubt that the KOR shot is a glimpse of the future simply because Kylo loses both his mask and his lightsaber by the end of TFA. I’m betting he’ll have a distinctly different mask (if he has one at all) and a more traditional saber the next time we see him.

joefavs said:
I’m betting he’ll have a distinctly different mask (if he has one at all)

The mask is already iconic (even though the character isn’t at this juncture) and there’s no reason why they should leave out such a terrifying mask. Plus don’t you think he should have spares lying around?

and a more traditional saber the next time we see him.

Perhaps. Maybe he’ll get Vader’s once he completes his training.

ZkinandBonez said:
Maybe KoR originates from the Church of the Force? For all we know there could have been a religious war going on in the thirty years between ROTJ and TFA.

The KoR were originally called “The Seven Light” in the visual dictionary so that’s entirely possible.

Lord Haseo said:

don’t you think he should have spares lying around?

Not really, at least not identical ones. We’ve seen that there doesn’t seem to be a standard issue Knight of Ren helmet, everything looks to be either scavenged or custom built. If Kylo found his helmet somewhere, then I doubt he’d have another one just like it, and if he built it, it would be a bad narrative choice to have him craft a new one that’s exactly the same as the old one after he’s lost it in this life changing experience. I think it’s possible he’ll end up with something very similar, especially if it was an existing piece that he repurposed rather than something he forged himself, but I think it will be tweaked to some extent. Think of all the variations of Mandolorian armor we’ve seen. He could come back with something that’s clearly from the same culture or order or whatever, but pretty obviously not the exact same object.

joefavs said:

Lord Haseo said:

don’t you think he should have spares lying around?

Not really, at least not identical ones.

Kind of like Vader? In all 3 films Vader wore slightly different helmets.

We’ve seen that there doesn’t seem to be a standard issue Knight of Ren helmet

Well he is the Master of the organization…

and if he built it, it would be a bad narrative choice to have him craft a new one that’s exactly the same as the old one after he’s lost it in this life changing experience.

Lol what? What if he’s just fond of the mask?

I think it’s possible he’ll end up with something very similar, especially if it was an existing piece that he repurposed rather than something he forged himself, but I think it will be tweaked to some extent.

I posted this in another thread but I wouldn’t mind something like this.

But what I don’t want is something similar to the Jedi Killer concept art.

I’m wondering if Snoke tells Kylo that in order to become a Sith, he must face off with not only Rey, but Luke as well, in order to become a true Sith. If he kills them, he WILL be as powerful as Vader.

I think in a way, it will be a mirror of TESB, where Luke rushes to fight Vader, so will Kylo Ren, but in doing so, it will be his down fall. He will get injured and actually have to where a breathing mask, just like Vader did, modified of course. However, we probably won’t see that mask until Episode IX.

Luke wanted so much to be Jedi and he fulfilled that destiny. Kylo is the exact opposite, he wants to be a Sith and will do ANYTHING to fulfill his destiny.

As for Rey, that’s a completely different story, one that will make more sense after Episode VIII.

Wonder what this could be about.

I think the fact that Kylo is wearing the mask in Rey’s vision is because the scene was probably originally shot with the mask on. If you look at the first trailer with Kylo in the woods, he has the hood on which means the mask also.

They probably reshot the scene with Kylo without the mask to make it more dramatic or to change something. The shot of Kylo in the forest with his mask is just a leftover from the unused sequence. Also it could be they hadn’t revealed Kylo’s face yet in the movie and so just used the mask in the forest to hide his face until the reveal.

Makes sense but it’s an out of universe explanation. I guess if I could rationalize it with an in universe explanation I would attribute that to “Always in motion is the future” just as SilverWook said.

ZkinandBonez said:

Leia’s ship is ambushed, she is blasted through space.

*cue Goofy holler*

Also there’s so much of the Galaxy we haven’t seen so to say certain stuff doesn’t fit in is based on our quick glance into that universe.

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NeverarGreat said:
rather than a lived-in, retro sci-fi world

Why should the ST feel retro? 30 years has passed both in that universe and in our own.

R2’s look really ruined TFA.

Wait, what?