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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 67

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Seamless branching is easier on Blu-Ray. I would like there to be a BD-R version that has seamless branching between the Rey Nobody and Rey Palpatine editions.

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The Deutsch-Grammophon album Across the Stars has alternate violin versions of the eponymous song, Yoda’s Theme, Rey’s Theme, Luke and Leia that could be used to rescore parts of the film. I imagine the latter working well in the Luke and Leia flashback scene.

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Hal 9000 said:

I don’t think re-ordering the scenes like that can work, and that’s part of my point. Rey killing her parents is… an interesting idea and could have worked if they’d made the movie that way. But I’m vetting it as a realistic option to pursue in an edit desiring to feel totally theatrically viable in a parallel universe.

I see what you mean, the restructure would have been the ideal but I think the idea works well nonetheless, especially since you have Rey’s reaction in the falcon “I killed my mother and my father”.

jonh said:

shit … I couldn’t contain myself, fucking hair
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ibJV4LFQlxx8fkjBmT71UDQh-PuPUT8r
only a test,
I have to improve it

That’s leaps better.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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until the quarantine is over hahaha

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I think it would be a really cool aesthetic change to make exogol black and white, instead of the blue and white

vic

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I was wondering why you never credited yourself, as well as the others who helped you out on VII and VIII in the end credits like you did for your Prequel edits, Hal.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Well, a few reasons, really. With the prequels there was a substantial ‘textual history’ which I wished to acknowledge and I’d gotten used to seeing the prequels with alternate titles and alternate end credits and things like that.

While working on TFA, I assumed it would be a one-off and I wouldn’t be doing anything for 8 or 9. So I left the end credits alone, and did not want to alter them that way. Plus, the changes made to TFA were trying to be elegantly invisible, moreso than with the prequels.

Now, it would seem reasonable to alter them. But, it would take some work and it doesn’t really seem necessary. For the prequels I typed and arranged all the pre-scrolling credits manually.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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snooker said:

https://streamable.com/2c6vox

Here’s my take on the Falcon shot. Lots of tweaks I still need to do, but this works as a proof-of-concept, I hope.

Yes snooker yes!!! And I agree, you have a better model. If you’re using After Effects I can send you a null layer with my flight path. Or, if you like, you could send me your model and I’ll apply it. Either way!

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This is NOT intended to represent a reservation I have about using the Falcon ending shot. This is such a nerdy thing to say that it would have rightfully been shouted down by people if this had been in the movie.

But…

The Falcon leaping right into hyperspace within a few seconds of taking off makes Han’s efforts to escape from Mos Eisley in ANH seem overly cautionary. (Doesn’t seem like entering hyperspace from within an atmosphere or planet’s gravity would normally be a good idea.)

BUT, it’s a perfect visual ending for the story. Just felt obliged to throw a neckbeard comment in for devil’s advocacy.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

This is NOT intended to represent a reservation I have about using the Falcon ending shot. This is such a nerdy thing to say that it would have rightfully been shouted down by people if this had been in the movie.

But…

The Falcon leaping right into hyperspace within a few seconds of taking off makes Han’s efforts to escape from Mos Eisley in ANH seem overly cautionary. (Doesn’t seem like entering hyperspace from within an atmosphere or planet’s gravity would normally be a good idea.)

BUT, it’s a perfect visual ending for the story. Just felt obliged to throw a neckbeard comment in for devil’s advocacy.

There’s only one example in canon of a ship entering hyperspace from within a planet’s atmosphere (in Clone Wars) but it was an accident. I think it’s generally not recommended, but I’m willing to bend the rules of the universe in this case since it’s such a perfect shot.

jonh said:

shit … I couldn’t contain myself, fucking hair
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ibJV4LFQlxx8fkjBmT71UDQh-PuPUT8r
only a test,
I have to improve it

Looks great, but that’s a LOT of shots you’d have to replace his hair in.

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Hal 9000 said:

This is NOT intended to represent a reservation I have about using the Falcon ending shot. This is such a nerdy thing to say that it would have rightfully been shouted down by people if this had been in the movie.

But…

The Falcon leaping right into hyperspace within a few seconds of taking off makes Han’s efforts to escape from Mos Eisley in ANH seem overly cautionary. (Doesn’t seem like entering hyperspace from within an atmosphere or planet’s gravity would normally be a good idea.)

BUT, it’s a perfect visual ending for the story. Just felt obliged to throw a neckbeard comment in for devil’s advocacy.

C’mon Hal

This is Star Wars - it’s space fantasy, not cold hard science fiction ala Blade Runner or even Star Trek

It’s ok for romanticism to override logic and even low level continuity. That’s why Star Wars has never bogged itself down in explaining it’s science and technology so that it’s not burdened by it.

Plus we’ve seen an in atmosphere jump in Rogue One, when the U Wing escaped Jeddah.

The drama there wasn’t the risk of aerodynamic forces but not having plotted a course in the navicomputer.

Similar to Han trying to evade the Star Destroyers after an emergency take off.

In both situations, there was no pre-planning or luxury of time to pre-load any coordinates, as escape was the priority and everyone’s actions were under duress.

It’s not unfair to imagine that in this instance, Rey has comfortably and leisurely already plotted her return journey so can just hit the jump as and when she fancies?

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HAL, are you planning maybe to do something with the Fleet in this edit? Like, make it not being planet destroying. Or change it into an old sith Fleet of something?

And If I understand correctly, you are gonna keep the kiss moment, arent you?

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First, Jonh, that’s already a huge improvement on Luke’s hair. Just toning it down was nice. Very good.

As for Hal’s comment about the Falcon … I get what you mean by that now that your brought that point up.

Would having it just go towards one of the suns until it fades away work? Then the ending shot are the twin suns?

EDIT: Also to bring up some of your points Hal with your goals for both edits, as for this point:

The hangar (“You’re his granddaughter.” This one needs to have something dramatic enough not to feel hollow)

Depending on how much tweaking to do with ability to do, timing, etc that still has some kind of impact … could the line simply be “You’re his legacy”?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Hal 9000 said:

This is NOT intended to represent a reservation I have about using the Falcon ending shot. This is such a nerdy thing to say that it would have rightfully been shouted down by people if this had been in the movie.

But…

The Falcon leaping right into hyperspace within a few seconds of taking off makes Han’s efforts to escape from Mos Eisley in ANH seem overly cautionary. (Doesn’t seem like entering hyperspace from within an atmosphere or planet’s gravity would normally be a good idea.)

BUT, it’s a perfect visual ending for the story. Just felt obliged to throw a neckbeard comment in for devil’s advocacy.

“From inside the atmosphere, is that even possible?”
“I never ask that question until after I’ve tried it.”

In this case I wouldn’t sweat the details since it’s actually in character for Han’s ship at this point. And as was said above, the limiting factor in the Mos Eisley escape was the Hyperspace calculation, something that isn’t at issue here.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)

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Jonh, wtf… how are you doing that hair. Crazy.

Regarding the Falcon, the U-Wing jumped away in-atmosphere in Rogue One.

I think one thing holding me back from the Rey killing her parents idea is the ship issue. The left on the same ship Ochi did. I mean, I guess you could say they’re the same model but different ship, but I think visually they have to be distinct from one another.

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I think the cleanest way of removing that issue would be to change the model of the ship in her flashback, removing any connection between Ochi and Rey.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Haha, Hal! Hadn’t thought of that about jumping to hyperspace in atmosphere. I don’t remember where you stood on the lightspeed skipping scene (probably heavily trimming?) but didn’t they jump in and out of a few atmospheres in that scene?

(Although I guess that was an emergency… and damaged the ship)

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idir_hh said:

I think the cleanest way of removing that issue would be to change the model of the ship in her flashback, removing any connection between Ochi and Rey.

Or you could change the TROS flashback ship to the one seen in TFA, since that movie actually had a different design for Rey’s parents’ ship:

tfa ship

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Yeah but to the average viewer, they look identical from the back.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

Yeah but to the average viewer, they look identical from the back.

I don’t think they look too similar. As long as you remove Rey’s “I’ve seen that ship before” lines, and either remove or alter the shot of Ochi’s ship leaving Jakku, you should be fine.

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