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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 34

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^who can’t even duck and hide in a moment of crisis.

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Camo armor would be neat to see. I’d much rather see a K2-SO somewhere in the background. And maybe one of the Scout Troopers have a female voice.

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As much as Camo would look neat, I say leave it as is. The empire’s troops are more of a show of force … so it is not a necessary fix.

As much as I like the idea of adding woman, albeit female voices for imperial troops … I would say no to that as well. From the original trilogy Movies wise … it has been a male army. Granted, there are books, shows, comics and games (all canon) that do show there are woman in the empire … but in the movies, there isn’t that portrayal.

I am ok with Ady adding woman to the rebels. In the movies we have at least 2 high ranking woman as the rebels. (Leia and Mon) That makes sense and is reasonable to add woman to the rebels. Ady has confirmed female pilots, which I say sounds good to me. If he was to add to the ground battle and have some rebel forces, I say yes, add some woman there too!

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Actually I don’t think any trooper’s armor really needs to be changed. But it would make most sense to me if the stormtoopers were white, while the scout troopers were camouflaged.

For the stormtroopers I fully agree with before mentioned points:

  1. Normally they probably want to be seen in masses for intimitation tactics.
  2. In this special case (a trap) they ARE absolutely hidden until the right time, no matter what armor they wear.

Now for the scout troopers it’s different. They are not meant as intimidating mass force but have a special job: scouting unknown, maybe even enemy territory. For this special job it’s obviously a disavantage if you are easily seen by the enemy…

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SAMCRO said:

Actually I don’t think any trooper’s armor really needs to be changed. But it would make most sense to me if the stormtoopers were white, while the scout troopers were camouflaged.

For the stormtroopers I fully agree with before mentioned points:

  1. Normally they probably want to be seen in masses for intimitation tactics.
  2. In this special case (a trap) they ARE absolutely hidden until the right time, no matter what armor they wear.

Now for the scout troopers it’s different. They are not meant as intimidating mass force but have a special job: scouting unknown, maybe even enemy territory. For this special job it’s obviously a disavantage if you are easily seen by the enemy…

Another disadvantage is that loud thing they ride. 😄

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I don’t think I agree with any of the camo-trooper talk here. I mean we didn’t really see any sand camo-troopers on tatooine, or snow camo-troopers on Ho…oh, never mind.

But in all seriousness, why make any of them camoflouged just because you can. I mean, isn’t that the kind of stuff most of you guys here hate about the SE, that Lucas just added crap because he could. Updating SFX, and correcting continuity errors etc. is one thing, but adding stuff to the movie just to cram it in there is superfluous IMHO.

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Are you still taking requests?, because I’m trying to integrate camouflaged stormtroopers in the Battle of Endor, as I feel they would know better than to dress in white for a fight in a forest.

This camouflaged stormtroopers idea made me think, and I realized:
Prepare for what fight?
I would assume they never imagined in their worst nightmare that they have to actually fight those creatures. It’s like no SAS or any elite force on earth would bother to use camouflage while “fighting” monkeys in the jungle, using flamethrowers and machine guns. It would be more like exterminating, not figthing.

One would think one small rebel group is no match for all of them with some AT-AT and AT-ST and speederbikes on their side.
And they were hidden as long they wanted to be hidden. Rebels never saw them. Everything went as expected, Rebels were easily captured.
No fighting.

But it was a trap. They knew Rebels were coming. Granted, they were supposed to let them deactivate the sheild, but that doesn’t mean they needed the Rebels alive. Just let them take the bunker, and on their way out, kill them.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Are you still taking requests?, because I’m trying to integrate camouflaged stormtroopers in the Battle of Endor, as I feel they would know better than to dress in white for a fight in a forest.

This camouflaged stormtroopers idea made me think, and I realized:
Prepare for what fight?
I would assume they never imagined in their worst nightmare that they have to actually fight those creatures. It’s like no SAS or any elite force on earth would bother to use camouflage while “fighting” monkeys in the jungle, using flamethrowers and machine guns. It would be more like exterminating, not figthing.

One would think one small rebel group is no match for all of them with some AT-AT and AT-ST and speederbikes on their side.
And they were hidden as long they wanted to be hidden. Rebels never saw them. Everything went as expected, Rebels were easily captured.
No fighting.

But it was a trap. They knew Rebels were coming. Granted, they were supposed to let them deactivate the sheild, but that doesn’t mean they needed the Rebels alive. Just let them take the bunker, and on their way out, kill them.

I would hardly think deactivation of the shield was part of any imperial plan.
Or to let them take the bunker. Any good plan would capture/kill them outside of the entrance.
Camouflage is not needed, since they thought they exactly know where the rebels will be, so you only need to do is let them walk into the trap and kill/capture them.
Before asking, why not capture/kill them before they entered, I answer.
The Imperials were surprised by the back door move, and needed some time to react, so they nearly got there too late.
How could they be so sloppy? Well, they “knew” that the rebels didn’t know about the back entrance. The advantage of giving the information to the enemy is that you know what they have.
Nearly backfired.
And then it backfired.

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Camo scout troopers is the new snowflake on Chewie’s foot, isn’t it?

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For all we know there are snowflakes all over the trooper armor.

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Jackpumpkinhead said:

I don’t think I agree with any of the camo-trooper talk here. I mean we didn’t really see any sand camo-troopers on tatooine, or snow camo-troopers on Ho…oh, never mind.

But in all seriousness, why make any of them camoflouged just because you can. I mean, isn’t that the kind of stuff most of you guys here hate about the SE, that Lucas just added crap because he could. Updating SFX, and correcting continuity errors etc. is one thing, but adding stuff to the movie just to cram it in there is superfluous IMHO.

I 100% agree with this.

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Jackpumpkinhead said:

I don’t think I agree with any of the camo-trooper talk here. I mean we didn’t really see any sand camo-troopers on tatooine, or snow camo-troopers on Ho…oh, never mind.

But in all seriousness, why make any of them camoflouged just because you can. I mean, isn’t that the kind of stuff most of you guys here hate about the SE, that Lucas just added crap because he could. Updating SFX, and correcting continuity errors etc. is one thing, but adding stuff to the movie just to cram it in there is superfluous IMHO.

It turns out, some people are okay with “special editions” after all, as long as it’s them shoving in the extra CGI density.

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There’s nothing wrong with a special edition if the original version is also available.

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The general ethos of Revisited, as I understand it, is that in some ways the Special Edition was bad (i.e. bad effects, Jedi Rocks, etc.) but in other ways it was good (replacing too-slow spaceship shots such as the Falcon in ANH right after Han shoots Vader out of the trench), and in many ways it didn’t go far enough (all the additions to the Hoth battle in ESRB). As much as people like to hate the SE because of its problems (the first category I listed), the ot.com philosophy is simply that the OOT should be available, not that some form of the SE should never exist. Revisited, then, is the SE as it should have been.

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So… since the Ewoks are annoying we’re replacing them with the Gungan battle scene from Episode I, right Adywan?

#JarJarIsLife

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YodaFan67 said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

I don’t think I agree with any of the camo-trooper talk here. I mean we didn’t really see any sand camo-troopers on tatooine, or snow camo-troopers on Ho…oh, never mind.

But in all seriousness, why make any of them camoflouged just because you can. I mean, isn’t that the kind of stuff most of you guys here hate about the SE, that Lucas just added crap because he could. Updating SFX, and correcting continuity errors etc. is one thing, but adding stuff to the movie just to cram it in there is superfluous IMHO.

It turns out, some people are okay with “special editions” after all, as long as it’s them shoving in the extra CGI density.

The prime issue people have with the many official special editions are they are now the only versions we can legally buy on current standard equipment. The most current versions are the only official ones. The other problem is that as special editions all of them have problems like adding vulgar jarring visuals and creating new continuity problems. Reconstructions like Harmy’s address the first problem. Edits like Ady’s address the second.

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fishmanlee said:

My suggestion: make the Emperor’s shuttle unique, paint it red, or black, with the Imperial logo on the side or something.

What the f*ck? Why?

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Anjohan said:

fishmanlee said:

My suggestion: make the Emperor’s shuttle unique, paint it red, or black, with the Imperial logo on the side or something.

What the f*ck? Why?

Because the grey stripe it has doesn’t differentiate it enough from the 3 other identical shuttles also in the film? It’s not a bad suggestion.

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Anjohan said:

fishmanlee said:

My suggestion: make the Emperor’s shuttle unique, paint it red, or black, with the Imperial logo on the side or something.

What the f*ck? Why?

Man, who knew the Emperor’s shuttle was such a sacred cow!

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nhoj3 said:

All of this “crawl” talk today is ironic because I’ve been drafting a post on it for a few days now. I’ve cut out some of the lead in that talked about ROTJ’s weak points and focus on the bit about improving the crawl to make what follows make more sense.

I too was hoping that restructuring the scenes might improve things but after watching the ROTJ Spence Final Cut I’m not so sure that it can be done and still feel “natural”. Smoothing out these types of changes are what pickup shots are for, and that’s not really feasible for anything involving the principal actors.

Instead of bending over backwards to put Luke on Dagobah first, what if it was done through a revised crawl?

Proposed Revisited ROTJ Opening Crawl (85 words, 7 more than original):

While his friends have scoured the galaxy for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker has evaded Darth Vader’s relentless pursuit by continuing his Jedi training on the secret planet of Dagobah.

With Han finally discovered in the lair of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt, Luke has left his training once again to join his friends in a daring rescue attempt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

Which leads into the opening of the movie as we know it. It’s not perfect but it does address a few issues:

  1. Luke’s training DID continue after ESB and his powers have justifiably improved
  2. It better explains why the rescue team didn’t go in as a single team
  3. It ties in nicely with ESB and ROTJ dialogue of Vader’s search for Luke
  4. Replacing the word “begun” with “been” suggests that DS2 construction has been going on for longer, better justifying it’s advanced progress.
  5. It allows for Luke to separate and rejoin the fleet as depicted in the original cut

Granted it begs a few questions. Why did Luke wait to ask “the big question”. Still I think it would work, as Mark Hamill’s delivery of “IS Darth Vader my father?” sounds like a question that has been asked many times before. Some of Yoda’s response may have to be trimmed to make it work, but I really think that it’s worth considering.

I think this would be the smoothest way of fixing the problem with the only question left being. Why didn’t he ask him sooner? But if you analyze the scene Luke said “IS Darth Vader my father?” Maybe implying he did ask him before and Yoda just refused to answer maybe so he’d focus on his training. It is also backed by Yoda’s kinda tired of the question-answer.

EDIT: Sorry, that discussion ended ages ago. My bad.