STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 32

Adywan, I have a small suggestion for a dialogue tweak. In the throne room sequence the Emperor delivers the line “An entire legion of my best troops await them.”

Given how easily they end up succumbing to the Ewoks, that “best troops” line contributes to make the Empire’s forces seem rather toothless. In drama if the villains are devoid of threat then the accomplishments of the heroes are also lessened, and so I think this sequence is better served by the easily-defeated Imperials being regular Stormtroopers rather than elite.

The Emperor’s line is delivered during a cutaway shot to Luke and Vader, and so could quite easily be snipped - my simple suggestion would be to remove the word “best”.

After all the Emperor is defined as being overconfident - it seems in character that he wouldn’t have considered the small squad of rebels worthy of deploying his “best” troops for.

What do you think?

I’d rather beef up the ground battle so that on top of the normal staff of the base which should be considerable an entire legion of the Emperor’s best troops is actually there.

So of like the reverse of when the elves come to Helm’s deep.
The Rebels have seemingly subdued the base personnel and have planted their explosives (though I would plant them under the dish instead of in the reactor) and then in marches over a thousand troops. With walkers and big guns and then the Ewoks and the Rebels win not because the troops are rubbish but because the Ewoks and the Rebels are better.

Matt.F said:

Adywan, I have a small suggestion for a dialogue tweak. In the throne room sequence the Emperor delivers the line “An entire legion of my best troops await them.”

Even the best can be defeated by locals, using home field advantage and good tactics, even against overwhelming numbers.
Just think of Thermopylae, or the Battle of Myeongnyang.
The persian Immortals were one of the best trained elit warriors at the time, and pretty sure the Japanease navy was not to be underestimated either.
And they lost. Big time.
So it can happen.

“…the story really is of a primitive society–apparently a weak society–who is able to overcome a very technological society.” GL.

Asymmetric warfare is what Lucas is touching upon with the Ewoks vs Stormtroopers (and a powerful and pertinent lesson that is, as we’ve seen in the past decades with the West struggling to combat the Taliban and Al Quaeda), but the fact that they are the “best” troops is actually neither here nor there. You can remove the declaration that they are the “best” elite legion of Stormtroopers and the sequence still admirably achieves the intended goal.

Adding more firepower to the Rebel Strike team actually would water down that intention.

Matt.F said:
You can remove the declaration that they are the “best” elite legion of Stormtroopers and the sequence still admirably achieves the intended goal.

Does it have to be true though? The emperor is manipulating Luke, and fear and anger are the path to the dark side.
Just another thought.

jarbear said:

I agree with riginal on that. Remove the sillier aspects of the battle, which less would indeed be more for them. Adding more rebel soldiers / battle scenes would not take away the point about a lesser society taking on a stronger one. There were times it was too goofy and silly that took away too much from the whole thing.

yeah, making them more VC, as it was intended, won’t hurt I guess

If anyone is interested in my take on what could be done to improve the rescue scenes, I’ve posted it here in the ROTJ wish list thread.

Though for the life of me I don’t know why I can’t just paste it in here based on what else gets posted in here without protest.

nhoj3 said:

If anyone is interested in my take on what could be done to improve the rescue scenes, I’ve posted it here in the ROTJ wish list thread.

Answered.
here

Lol.

Jani-wan said:

nhoj3 said:

If anyone is interested in my take on what could be done to improve the rescue scenes, I’ve posted it here in the ROTJ wish list thread.

Answered.
here

Laughed at here.

marduk666 said:

doubleofive said:

I will not tolerate people complaining about Muppets in Jabba’s Palace. Muppets are awesome.

End of line.

Agreed Muppets beat cgi hands down

CGI is a tool, and like any other tool, it can be use poorly. But you should never blame the tool for the shortcomings of the craftsman.

Editroid said:

marduk666 said:

doubleofive said:

I will not tolerate people complaining about Muppets in Jabba’s Palace. Muppets are awesome.

End of line.

Agreed Muppets beat cgi hands down

CGI is a tool, and like any other tool, it can be use poorly. But you should never blame the tool for the shortcomings of the craftsman.

That’s like saying ROTJ is an overall above average film but it has some flaws and rough patches but it also has some incredibly strong and powerful moments that make it worthwhile… Reasonable.

Editroid said:

marduk666 said:

doubleofive said:

I will not tolerate people complaining about Muppets in Jabba’s Palace. Muppets are awesome.

End of line.

Agreed Muppets beat cgi hands down

CGI is a tool, and like any other tool, it can be use poorly.

Just like the English language! 😉

Clearly the only solution that will satisfy anyone is for adywan to go discover alien life and cast it in his movie.