STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 6

ChainsawAsh said:

Back to the topic at hand:

Are you planning on replacing Artoo’s beeps? He sounds nothing in ROTJ like he does in any of the other films and it annoys the shit out of me every time I watch the movie.

THANK YOU!!! I brought this up in another thread once and was basically told I was insane and R2 sounded fine and that nothing was different from the other movies.

Angly said:

I’m sure there will be suggestions aplenty in this thread, so let me just say that your (relatively) few substantial, well considered changes are worth more than many hundreds of small cosmetic alterations. I’m glad that this edit seems focused on those big changes. Don’t sweat the small stuff.

Couldn’t agree more, Cut and Paste Bot.

ANH and TESB Revisited were absolutely incredible, and I am looking forward immensely to ROTJ Revisited. Longtime reader, VERY rare commenter here. If I may throw in a few ideas and thoughts:

• It might be cool to add Jabba’s unused line “I was killing your kind back when being a Jedi meant something.” Hardly important, of course, but a potentially nice touch.

• Jedi Rocks is musically much worse than Lapti Nek, and a lot of the moments of the new CGI band members are WAY too cartoonish. However, the awkwardness of the original Sy Snootles puppet during that scene still strikes me as a problem, and it would be a shame to lose every shot of the other new additions. Something like this seems close to ideal for me personally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7omDRTzbmM … but of course, if fixing Snootles through cantina-izing alone is possible, more power to you!

• In the official cut, once Luke jumps back onto the skiff plank, he stands there waiting for his lightsaber to fall into his hand long enough for one of the guards to attack him. Maybe cutting/shortening a shot or shots in that sequence could make it quicker? Maybe even have Artoo launch the saber before Luke makes his move?

• “Luke, you’re going to find that that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.” As iconic as the previous “what I told you was true depending on your point of view” line may be, this explanation that followed it seems more like Obi-Wan is rationalizing rather than delivering wisdom. The focus should be Obi-Wan coming clean unconditionally and the audience learning how painful Anakin’s betrayal was for him too, not detached equivocation.

• I was glad to read that Adywan is going to be reducing Leia’s dialogue during the “you’re my sister” scene. Both Harrison and Carrie’s performances don’t quite match the level of their Hope and Empire performances, and with Leia in particular her dialogue seem to be written differently too. It’s always been jarring. Hopefully other out-of-character moments can be tweaked throughout the movie.

• Maybe removing Vader’s “He will come to me?” It seems like an odd duplication when Palpatine already told him “in time he will seek you out” in a previous scene.

• Luke’s line “I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate” sounds less like a passionate plea than it does trying to recite the line as fast as possible for some reason. Maybe introducing a pause between those two sentences would suffice to make it more natural? Or, barring that, would cutting “let go of your hate” be seen as a bridge too far?

• I always thought it might be cool if when Luke surrenders to Vader, Vader igniting Luke’s lightsaber was moved to after the stormtroopers lead him away. That way, it would come across as Vader reflecting on Luke’s words about whether he’s redeemable, an expression of his internal conflict symbolized by Vader holding a Jedi rather than Sith blade for the first time in decades.

• Just one instance of Palpatine or Yoda using the word “Sith” would be great, if possible. Even before the prequels, it was a strange omission.

• Last I read, Adywan intends to keep Coruscant at the end (albeit with the celebration changed to a riot), which presumably means Bespin and Tatooine are staying too…but is Naboo on the chopping block? It would be a shame to lose one harmless bit of prequel connectivity (“wesa free” aside; of course get rid of that), given many fans will be marathoning Revisited alongside their preferred prequel edits. In fact, I’d personally like to see a couple more planets, particularly Kashyyyk. (For those who ignore the prequels, brief flashes of previously-unseen worlds can just be viewed as a tour of a vast galaxy that’s much larger than a lawless backwater like Tatooine and obscure gas mine Cloud City.)

• Finally, bear with me on this last one: I know Adywan intends to restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin’s Force ghost. I understand why; regardless of one’s like or dislike of the prequels, it was staggeringly sloppy and lazy of Lucas to simply reuse existing footage of Hayden’s head that hadn’t even been aged up to look like a man who’d be in his late forties. Having said that…Shaw still presents the audience with the opposite problem: Obi-Wan standing next to his former student as played by someone a decade older than Alec Guinness. Is there any sort of visual tweaking that could be applied to make Shaw look somewhat younger, somewhat easier to connect with the character audiences know from either the prequels or the Clone Wars? Facial tweaking, more hair, darker robes, anything?

G E Predator said:

I’m super glad that Ady is gonna remove “Jedi Rocks” and (hopefully) restore “Lapti Nek.” While I don’t hate “Jedi Rocks,” I feel it was disrespectful to remove “Lapti Nek” in the first place since it was composed by Joseph Williams, the son of John Williams. Imagine how pissed off Joseph must have been to have his only contribution removed from the movie.

Oh wow, I had no idea Joseph composed Lapti Nek. And to think he went on to become lead vocalist for Toto too. 🤘

MaestroDavros said:

One small thing that I would like to recommend. Even though the “Palace Musical Number” scene is being reverted back to the 1983 cut (Lapti Nek forever), I always liked the added scenes of Oola in the rancor pit; I think they worked surprisingly well by expanding on the scene but still leaving the rancor largely a mystery.

Seconded. This was a good addition that blended into the existing movie well.

On the subject of the victory celebration, I’ve often thought that the unused score found in “Leia’s News/Light of the Force” on the SE soundtrack could be utilised here to close out the film on a more moving note. The scene could start with yub-nub as in the theatrical version, but as Luke catches sight of the force ghosts it fades to a background echo, drowned out by the previously unused rendition of the Force Theme. Patching in the final moments of the RotS score as we return to the rebels celebrating would then carry us smoothly to the end credits. Apologies is this specific idea has been discussed elsewhere.

Will certainly be donating some funds anyway. Can’t wait to see this and ANH:R-HD realised. Best of luck Adywan!

Bingowings said:

Even if it’s just a disc extra

Yes, nice idea. I sort of anticipate a nice collection of unused clips anyway, like we had as progress continued on AHR:R and ESB:R. (even just tests or ideas, like the I-still-wish-he-had-gone-through-with-it-to-some-extent green AT-AT lasers, haha)

Just so we’re clear: Is Lapti Nek coming back? I know Jedi Rocks is being removed (thank God), but I liked Lapti Nek and it would feel weird to replace/remove it. I seem to recall Ady once saying he’d replace that scene with a different song or something else entirely, but I hope Lapti Nek comes back.

Oh man this is going to be good.
Costumes, sets, 3d models, Fn’ awsome.

Would like to see endor prime make an appearance. And maybe a few more wookies, as chewie is the only one we see in the ot.

Live long and prosper.

• Finally, bear with me on this last one: I know Adywan intends to restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin’s Force ghost. I understand why; regardless of one’s like or dislike of the prequels, it was staggeringly sloppy and lazy of Lucas to simply reuse existing footage of Hayden’s head that hadn’t even been aged up to look like a man who’d be in his late forties. Having said that…Shaw still presents the audience with the opposite problem: Obi-Wan standing next to his former student as played by someone a decade older than Alec Guinness. Is there any sort of visual tweaking that could be applied to make Shaw look somewhat younger, somewhat easier to connect with the character audiences know from either the prequels or the Clone Wars? Facial tweaking, more hair, darker robes, anything?

Replace shaw and Hayden with prowse.
Problem solved

Also someone else suggested using the “unseen” documentary prowse as unmasked Vader scene. If that ever becomes a possibility it’s a no brainer.

Why do we keep talking about the Prowse documentary being a possibility? David Prowse is 82 years old. How would that be better then Shaw in any way?

^ Yes. And the Shaw ghost doesn’t look older than Obi-Wan’s at all.