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#1134082
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

can we get this back to being a politics thread?

This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.

sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit

*sigh*

You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.

Nope, i am saying the three of you talking for 5 pages doesn’t matter. you guys aren’t exactly doing anything about the issue.

Discussion is important. It raises awareness about the issue. I am hoping that if I have this argument enough times, hearts and minds will change. If you immerse yourself in and opinion for enough time, you may acknowledge the merit in it.

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#1134080
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

Who the hell cares about whether’s there an objective argument? Seems freaking pointless to me.

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#1134073
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

can we get this back to being a politics thread?

This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.

sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit

*sigh*

You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.

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#1134069
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.

Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.

You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?

are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?

And now you’re suddenly the expert on women’s sexual response to men’s bodies.

I am not an expert but I will bet my life savings that

women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests ≠ men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?

Source? That’s quite the generalization.

A little bit, but there are different standards of beauty around the world. In other cultures, female breasts aren’t considered nearly as erotic as they are in the Western world. The ideal weight for a man and a woman also changes around the world. It’s not just biology. It’s culture too.

but it is partly biology.

Sure, but a lot less than people think it is.

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#1134063
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

With that said, I don’t think women everywhere should suddenly go topless.

sexist! How dare you suggest we should continue this oppression of women!

You’re making absolutely no sense now.

I don’t? But I thought it was sexist and oppressive to make women cover up their breasts?

Gosh, you always find a way to colossally muss the point.

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#1134056
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

There is a particular male-centered-ness to Warbler’s and chyron’s arguments. Why does the male body have to be the standard that we measure women against?

It’s not unreasonable.

No its ridiculous. I am not using the male body as the standard that we measure women against. There is nothing male-centered about my argument.

You are saying that the female body is different than the male body. You are comparing it to the male body. Your argument is male-centered.

He is male. He is speaking from a male’s point of view. Of course he is going to center his argument on and derive opinion from his personal life experience.

I would expect him to understand someone else’s perspective. That’s empathy, and we are severely lacking it in this country.

Many women also agree that the female breasts should be covered.

That’s not the point.

Yes it is. The point is “why should it change from what it is besides because you want it to?”

Total misrepresentation of my point of view.

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#1134047
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Frink, you wouldn’t have any issue if your wife or daughter walked around topless?

Nowhere did I say I think women should walk around topless.

You sure seemed to be implying it. Why shouldn’t women walk around topless if men can? You should tell your female family members to do so, you don’t want to oppress them do you?

Holy shit. This is a completely illogical extension of what we’ve all been saying.

How is it a completely illogical extension?

Because nobody said it.

We are simply against the double standard here; nobody here is telling women to strip topless for us.

Then you want women to able to good around topless just as men can, right?

I think they should be able to do that.

I merely disputed Warb’s assertion that men’s and women’s bodies are treated equally.

They are treated equally, they just have different private parts.

2 = 1

Does this sound equal to you?

*rolls eyes*

Sorry.

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#1134044
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

The latter.

No offense but do you actually know any women? This is extremely ignorant.

You called me out, and you are 100% right. I am wrong right here. I think I read or interpreted that question wrong. I think it’s bad that this forum does not attract women. There are also deeper societal reasons as to why this is the case.

I am sorry for my accidental ignorance in this situation. People must always acknowledge when they are wrong. Again, sorry.

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#1134031
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

There is a particular male-centered-ness to Warbler’s and chyron’s arguments. Why does the male body have to be the standard that we measure women against?

It’s not unreasonable.

No its ridiculous. I am not using the male body as the standard that we measure women against. There is nothing male-centered about my argument.

You are saying that the female body is different than the male body. You are comparing it to the male body. Your argument is male-centered.

Many women also agree that the female breasts should be covered.

That’s not the point.

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#1134019
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

The latter.

Post
#1134011
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.

Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.

You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?

are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?

And now you’re suddenly the expert on women’s sexual response to men’s bodies.

Part of the reason why men have such pent up attraction to breasts is by the nature that most of the time they are concealed - if they were more common place, this wouldn’t necessarily be the case.

um, no. It is not just because they are covered up most of the time. It is also due to biology, it is just the way our bodies work.

A little bit, but there are different standards of beauty around the world. In other cultures, female breasts aren’t considered nearly as erotic as they are in the Western world. The ideal weight for a man and a woman also changes around the world. It’s not just biology. It’s culture too.

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#1134004
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Frink, you wouldn’t have any issue if your wife or daughter walked around topless?

Nowhere did I say I think women should walk around topless.

You sure seemed to be implying it. Why shouldn’t women walk around topless if men can? You should tell your female family members to do so, you don’t want to oppress them do you?

Holy shit. This is a completely illogical extension of what we’ve all been saying. We are simply against the double standard here; nobody here is telling women to strip topless for us.

I merely disputed Warb’s assertion that men’s and women’s bodies are treated equally.

They are treated equally, they just have different private parts.

2 = 1

Does this sound equal to you?

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#1134000
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

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#1133991
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Post
#1133944
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Wait, men don’t go crazy over legs anymore?

I hope/assume you’re joking.

I suppose it’s a half-joke, the assertion that men are no longer attracted to legs sounds preposterous to me.

I don’t think he was saying that men are no longer attracted to legs; I just think he’s saying that the emphasis on them is not as strong as before.

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#1133938
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

With that said, I don’t think women everywhere should suddenly go topless. We have enough assault/harassment problems as it is.

Ideally that would be fixed already. Maybe doing this would help.

But I do agree that I’m not asking for anybody to go topless just for the sake of it. I just don’t see the point of the current inequality.

Solution? Dunno. I can’t even remember how we got here (this time). Last time it was Warb’s aversion to women breastfeeding in public, which is ridiculous. This time I think the conversation is a bit more grey.

We were talking about swear words, which ventured into a discussion about movie ratings. mfm brought up the inequality of how showing a man’s exposed chest will barely effect a movie rating at all, while a woman’s exposed chest could bring the movie up to an R rating. Then Warbler replied with is argument in the matter. The conversation started from there.

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