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#1133914
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

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#1133902
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

There is a particular male-centered-ness to Warbler’s and chyron’s arguments. Why does the male body have to be the standard that we measure women against?

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#1133901
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

All people should be treated equally.

People are not equal. Women and men are biologically different. Women are not inferior, but telling women to cover their breasts does not assume or imply this.

So we should cover up every part of a woman that’s different from a man? Why not cover up every part of a man that’s different from a woman? What if a woman doesn’t have the typical female form?

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#1133886
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

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#1133885
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?

Read Chyron’s post.

His post still does not answer my question.

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#1133866
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?

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#1133846
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

Women’s bodies are treated differently than men’s bodies, in part, because men are physically and hormonally affected differently by physical appearance than women

You’re making the exact same argument as Warbler here. “Things should be treated differently because they’re different!”

and because American culture at large grew out of a more puritanical lifestyle.

This is true.

To say that things should change because they’ve always been the same is equally as arbitrary as saying that things should remain the same for the same reason.

Show me one example of somebody saying that “things should change because they’ve always been the same.” Nobody has made that argument.

For example, the reason why women wear bras now instead of corsets has less to do with cultural progressiveness toward women, but more to do with the push to save metal needed to otherwise use in World War I.

Ok. That doesn’t change the discussion that we’re having now. Right now, the reasons are progressiveness.

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#1133799
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

I’ll admit, sometimes in TFA, the on-location scenes sometimes don’t look sufficiently Star Wars-ish to me. I think there’s also some compounding factor (color grading? different cameras?) that does make some shots look kind of cheaply made.

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#1133677
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Handman said:

I don’t get where the inequality is,

The inequality is the messed-up views that we have towards sex and nudity in our culture. The inequality is that there’s an arbitrary distinction between the definitions of nudity of both sexes.

and find it frankly perverted we have a bunch of men here telling women to go topless.

Who ever told women to go topless here? I assure you, there is absolutely no example of that.

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#1133674
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

yhwx said:

Speaking of the FCC…

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/rip-net-neutrality-fcc-chair-releases-plan-to-deregulate-isps/

The Federal Communications Commission today announced its plan to deregulate the broadband industry and eliminate net neutrality rules, setting up a December 14 vote to finalize the repeal.

As expected, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is proposing to reverse the commission’s classification of home and mobile ISPs as common carriers, eliminating the legal justification for the net neutrality rules and numerous other consumer protections. The Republican-controlled FCC is likely to vote 3-2 along party lines in favor of Pai’s plan at its regular monthly meeting in December, ignoring Internet users who voiced widespread support for net neutrality rules.

Pai’s decision is a big win for cable companies, telcos, and mobile carriers that will no longer face regulation of their broadband businesses under Title II of the Communications Act. Pai ignored numerous calls from consumer advocates, website operators, and Internet users who urged the FCC to preserve the rules that force Internet providers to treat all Web content fairly.

Pai was on the losing end of a 3-2 vote in 2015 that imposed Title II regulations, including net neutrality rules that outlaw blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization. He started the repeal process shortly after President Trump appointed him chairman this year.

Today, Pai said that he intends to eliminate the core net neutrality rules while preserving some requirements that ISPs inform consumers about their network management practices.

“Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the Internet,” Pai said in a statement today. “Instead, the FCC would simply require Internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate.”

This is just stupid. There is no good argument for repealing these rules, and Ajit Pai is just wrong.

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#1133588
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

male breasts ≠ female breasts

and therefore should be treated differently from each other. Don’t know how else to say it.

Confuted. Baseless glass-half-empty fallacy claim. Dismissed.

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#1133576
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Have you visited a public pool or a non-nude beach? Have you noticed at those places men are topless but women are not? Men’s and Women’s bodies are different. A man topless is not nude. A woman topless is nude.

I’d be a lot happier if everyone kept their clothes on since most people, male or female, are quite unpleasant looking without garments, but there is no reason for male toplessness to be considered less “offensive” than female toplessness.

Men’s and women’s bodies are different.

Yes, but what’s the difference between a male nipple and a female nipple?

I’ll you what, I’ll post a pic of male nipple and you post a pic of a female nipple. Lets see if the mods treat it the same.

Yeah, I know. I just think that’s wrong.

It is that way society has worked for years and years.

Not a good argument. Living in caves was the way that society worked for years and years, but we decided to move out and make civilization.

Yes, but in all that time we still haven’t moved away from treating the male nipple differently than the female nipple.

Still a bad argument.

Just because we don’t see or understand the reason, doesn’t mean there isn’t a good reason. Humans don’t know everything about the way the universe works. Should we fix and change everything we don’t see a reason for?

I happen to think this little niche of human behavior is perfectly explainable by humans.

If a woman has breasts more like a typical man, should that be censored? What if a man had large breasts? This distinction is most arbitrary.

male breasts ≠ female breasts

But why‽

Because they are.

Sure, they’re different, but why should they be treated differently?

Because they’re different.

This is quite circular thinking.

Things that are the same get treated the same, things that are different get treated differently from each other.

What if a woman has small breasts and a man has large breasts?

Warbler said:

male breasts ≠ female breasts

Not a reason.

See Handman’s post then.

Already confuted.

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