Recomposition of the original effects doesn't bother me. Much like turning a mono or stereo track into a 5.1 surround mix doesn't so long as its the original audio cues and nothing else added.
That said its not the original versions of the movies visually and I agree that the matte lines should be left in to have a truly unaltered trilogy.
I think an upscale of the uncensored scenes would be fine for an edit. The blu-ray itself isn't very sharply detailed as it is.
Star Wars: Drive-in. I was an eight-month old infant at the time so no actual memory of this. Just parental recollection.
Star Wars 1980 re-release: 35mm film in theater (my first real memory of Star Wars)
Empire Strikes Back: 35mm film in theater
Return of the Jedi: 35mm film in theater
Prequels: 35mm in theater
The prequels screwed everything up.
Did that cannon actually destroy the Star Destroyer or just disable it temporarily? It didn't seem clear to me.
I suspect that gun was of limited use when going up against an Imperial fleet anyway. They only had one.
darklordoftech said:
The prequels don't involve Force users becoming Imperials.
They didn't? Then I don't know what movies I was watching then.
I'm not going to parse semantics in any case.
darklordoftech said:
pablumatic said: A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.
What if a bunch of Force users decide to become Neo Imperials?
Then you're talking about a repeat of the prequels and who would want to see that?
darklordoftech said:
When you said about Neo Sith "the new practitioners shouldn't be able to get very far", were you saying the same thing about Neo Sith that you're saying here about Neo Imperials?
I'd rather just not see a repeat of the prequels with a couple Sith taking down the stupid good guys. We've already seen its possible with just a few Sith working in secret.
A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.
darklordoftech said:
pablumatic said:
darklordoftech said:
pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.
If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial?
If the Empire was supposed to be Space Nazis then their equivalent to a defunct Empire would be Space Neo Nazis/Space Skinheads.
Angry, militant cranks that don't have any power to create armies or wars.
The planet that all the evil British guys came from would be full of them. I figure whatever new Republic that sprang up after Return of the Jedi would keep that planet heavily sanctioned to avoid a repeat.
Why would Space Neo Sith be any different?
One kid who was a newbie to the Force took down a Death Star.
A few Dark Side practitioners took down a galactic Republic.
Users of the Force are essentially super beings capable of feats of power many times greater of those who don't use it. A couple of Sith would be dangerous in any situation. Same with Jedi.
You also can't sanction individuals. At most you could try to weed them out, but if you're practicing black magic in secret you're not going to be discovered all that easily.
darklordoftech said:
pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.
If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial?
If the Empire was supposed to be Space Nazis then their equivalent to a defunct Empire would be Space Neo Nazis/Space Skinheads.
Angry, militant cranks that don't have any power to create armies or wars.
The planet that all the evil British guys came from would be full of them. I figure whatever new Republic that sprang up after Return of the Jedi would keep that planet heavily sanctioned to avoid a repeat.
darklordoftech said:
imperialscum said:
darklordoftech said:
and I'll never get the hypocrites who think that the Empire returning is worse than the Sith returning.
Well Empire returning is just as bad as Sith returning.
I understand thinking that it's just as bad. What I don't understand is thinking that it's worse.
Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force. The new practitioners should not be able to get very far. At least I'd hope not to see a repeat of the prequels.
The Empire coming back is far less plausible since the entire foundation and a large portion of the Imperial navy were taken down decades ago. That the Empire could survive that long with such a defeat seems very unlikely.
As big as the Empire is claimed to be it only ever had one fully constructed mobile Death Star. Which apparently took twenty years to create. So it seemed to me that it wasn't infinite in its reach or power. A handful of rebels took out a good chunk of it and all of the leadership. Any remaining battles should have been relative cakewalks.
Planets still sympathetic to the defunct Empire? Sure. I can see that happening. An actual Empire with a standing Stormtrooper army? No.
Tyrphanax said:
I don't understand why people think that the Empire would just disappear after Jedi. That idea never occurred to me at all. I figured it would be a given that we would see them again, albeit in a very weakened state.
Sure the battle in Jedi wasn't the final one, but it was the decisive one. In thirty years the Rebels should have finished the job.
That the Empire still seems to be around does take away from the Rebel victory in RotJ. Feels like a retcon to me to continue the story.
I don't mind Star Wars having ongoing stories. I just think going this direction is the wrong way. Its a big galaxy. I was hoping for different antagonists.
Ugh. That really bums me out.
The Empire still around after getting soundly trounced thirty years ago.
Much like the Tatooine material I've seen, there's going to have to be a REALLY good explanation for this when the film comes out.
SilverWook said:
****Spoiler Alert****
Kevin Smith saw stormtroopers when he visited the set.
I'll just have to hope he's lying.
It will be easy to fool myself until I see an official video of them, anyway.
I'd prefer they take the series in a whole new direction, but I know that won't be the case. The bad guys who controlled the far, far away galaxy are defeated. Retreading that doesn't sound like much fun, but I know there will be Sith as the antagonists even if I don't want them there. Absolutely no evil Force ghosts of Vader or Palpatine though. They better be gone.
No Empire. That's the biggest issue to me. These movies take place 30 years after the originals. Seeing Stormtroopers or anything of the sort should be out of the question.
Bounty Hunters are okay, but absolutely no Boba Fett.
Lesser things I would like to see dropped:
Tatooine despite it showing up in the preview material. This allegedly remote insignificant planet has been in five movies. Luke was sick of it. I am too. There better be a really good reason to see it again.
The Hutts. Ties into the Tatooine bit. No need to see them again. If they show us another big slug alien I would hope its in a new location and not a laughing evil Jabba clone or offspring.
No Ewoks either!
towne32 said:
So. What does everyone think of the possibility of OT characters dying in VII? (I'd rather discuss it now, as opposed to down the road when the spoilers may or may not be floating around).
I think there's a pretty good chance of Luke or Han biting the dust. Harrison has said that he thought Solo should die in V or VI. And I've read that Lucas only kept him alive at the end of Jedi for marketing purposes? (true?). Plus they might be concerned about getting him back for VIII and IX, if nothing is signed yet.
The more I see of Mark Hamill this year, the more convinced I am that he's going to pull off this role and won't just be shown in a scene for fandom to check off a box. But they might want to have him struck down to pass the torch to the next star. A bit too predictable to do it exactly like that, though.
The only one I'm pretty certain will die in the sequel trilogy is Luke. Going the Obi-Wan route and becoming a Force ghost to appear in a few scenes in each film.
On many sites I've read about Ford disliking Han and desiring him to die in Return of the Jedi. He may well get his wish in these sequels. I'm unsure about him at this point. If Han dies Chewie will too. Going out with the Millennium Falcon.
I don't see Leia dying. Right now I'm guessing they'll be taking a Mon Mothma approach to her character and she'll offer intelligence from various spies throughout the sequel series or she may become somewhat of a female Yoda training younger Jedi. Hopefully eschewing the prequel habit of favoring lightsaber brawn over Force might.
C3PO and R2-D2 are assuredly going to survive the entire sequel trilogy trip.
Tobar said:
How does Yoda's attire weigh in? You decide.
Before the prequels I assumed Yoda's Dagoba outfit was just rags. Something he cobbled together over a period of decades in hiding. Not any uniform.
Flash forward to 1999 and apparently its what he's been wearing for at least 800 years.
Its already been mentioned, but all the major revelations of the Original Trilogy are spoiled in the prequels.
The big one :Darth Vader is Luke's father. The scene that had some people gasping in theaters and debating it until Return of the Jedi came out would carry little weight if you watch from I to VI in that order.
Heck. You would even know Luke and Leia are siblings before they kiss. X)
For being one with the Force Obi-Wan seemed more out of tune with it than Luke in Return of the Jedi.
Obi-Wan wants Luke to kill Vader. Luke doesn't want to and eventually doesn't have to. Being a spirit residing within the Force Obi-Wan appears unable to foresee any other alternatives to their fight than Luke using lethal force. Whatever happened to trusting your feelings or wars not making one great?
Obi-Wan's line after Luke tells him he can't kill his father: "Then the Empire has already won." should have been left out and something else put in like "The alternatives to fighting Vader won't be easy but I'm not against you seeking them out."
The sequel makers are going to want evil force using, red lightsaber weilding bad guys ASAP. So I suspect we're going to see yet more secret Sith masters who were hiding out reveal themselves. Not some new overwhelming force from beyond the galaxy which would make more sense.
Sounds very prequel-ish, but I imagine that's how these movies will go. The Empire is defeated. A slow Phantom Menace mystery may be all they can turn to.
We'll see.
Does there really need to be a good female Boba Fett with a pink helmet?
If we're going to keep recycling the OT why not make her a good Zuckuss with a pink bow or something? Change it up a little.
As always seems to be the case with Star Wars new spaceships seem to be less inspired than they were 30+ years ago.
The new protagonist ship looks like another take on the Millennium Falcon like the Outrider from Shadows of the Empire.
The others just seem like ships from the prequels. Nothing that strikes the eye.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I won't be convinced until the OOT gets a proper rerelease and the EU abandons the use of PT-styled Sith.
Completely agree. Though I don't follow EU so I don't know the difference there.
Original Trilogy purist here.
That purist depicted on the left isn't entirely pure. Han shooting first implies Greedo shot second. Han shot. Period.
Hoping that this is the case and its just a foot symbolizing the defeat of the empire.
Though without a known antagonist at the time I'm also willing to believe we're going to see a rejuvenated Empire due to a secret cadre of Sith lords Palpatine never talked about training. With all the secret Sith popping up in EU stories like Clone Wars and the new 3D animated show it wouldn't surprise me.
