alexp120

Joshua724 said:

As much as I applaud fan efforts to preserve the pre-SE audio tracks via the laserdisc, they pail in comparison to the cassette recording my dad did while at CBS\FOX. I appreciate any and all offers to transfer the cassette we have to a digital format for later use. After talking with my dad, even though he did the recording for me (something that he could hand down) and I could do with it what I want, he made it conditional because it was meant only for me. But, we decided to purchase our own metal tape deck and plan on digitizing the track that way. I’ll figure out how to make it available after that. As far as which version it is, it’s before the SE. So, what does it matter? But, if you need a date, call it the CBS\FOX 1984 version of ESB.

I was inquiring as to how this project is coming out.

There is that 1999 DVD release of Alien (1979) that has the production audio in one of the audio tracks, but the audio is not complete, as that track also has a few alternate music score cues. That feature has not been carried over to the 2003 DVD release nor the blu ray release.

litemakr said:

alexp120 said:

To enhance this rare LLP theatre experience, I’ve uploaded on the ‘spleen a folder containing audio files of sound mixes of the film that have been edited to play in sync with this release.

Rather than duplicate the unintentional splicing of the release print’s optical soundtrack caused by damaged missing frames, these edits were made to polish the transition over the skip-frames so that you can better immerse yourself into the movie.

The audio options are as follows:
5.1 channel, DTS-HDMA mix from the official 2012 Blu Ray release. [dts file]
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1981 theatrical mix sourced from the 1989 Japanese, Full-Screen, LaserDisc release (WAV file)*
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1992 mix for the US, Wide-Screen LaserDisc release (WAV file)*

All you have to do is mux these files to the MKV video and you are good to go.

Bear in mind that each of these audio files includes the length of the introduction that proceeds the film, so, for best results, apply these files to the original video file that came with litemakr’s release

*audio files were made possible by schorman13 from his Indiana Jones LaserDisc Archive. My thanks to schorman13 for capturing the LD’s audio, for sharing, and for maintaining the archive.

Enjoy.

Awesome, thanks! If you have some extra time, the DVD mix should be included. That is a 5.1 version of the original 70mm 6 track mix. Pretty much the same as the wowow mix but less compressed. I prefer it to the blu-ray mix, which is a bit too remixed for me.

Just uploaded the edited 5.1 Dolby Digital track from the 2008 DVD.

Enjoy.

litemakr said:

Btw, alexp120, the blu-ray mix is not synched up correctly in your release. The audio is ahead most of the time. The LD mixes seem correct.

When I was editing the audio files I didn’t use any delay. All I did was remove audio material and made sure that the length of my audio edits matched the length of your video.

When I played your video with my audio edits muxed-in on my computer via MPC-HC, the audio tracks, including the DTS track, were all in sync perfectly. However, when I played it through my OPPO Blu Ray player’s USB port (from my portable hard drive), I did use my Onkyo receiver’s A/V Sync feature to sync them up. My receiver always has issues with the audio not being in-sync with the video from my Blu Ray/DVD player whether its playing a physical disc or material from a USB port.

So, the solution: you may have to adjust the audio delay in your media player or audio receiver to get it in-sync with the picture.

RayRogers said:

Jetrell Fo said:

RayRogers said:

This would be great to put in with the Blu-ray release which I’d also have the Director’s Edition DVDs included. Grabbed the .torrent file from MySpleen.

When I cap my VHS I will pm a mod about the upload but since it is OOP AND not in the release chute anytime soon for Bluray, I don’t see an issue uploading it once I’m ready to.

All I’d need to do then is just buy more Multi-Disc cases. Because I’d also have the OST CD release with it too. So far it’d be a grand total of 4-5 discs? Disc 1 - TMP Blu from Paramount, Disc 2 & 3 - TMP Director’s Edition DVD release, Disc 4 - TMP (Special Longer Version) Widescreen Custom DVD, and Disc 5 - OST CD.
For the VHS-to-DVD of the Special Longer Version, I’m expecting a DVD-DL. But it’d be best if it were the LD, depending on whichever captures in higher quality.

'Better make it 8 discs. You’ve overlooked La-La Land’s 3-CD set of the expanded OST

It’s still in print.

Or you can condense it to 7 discs by removing the single soundtrack CD release. 😉

I’ll make an effort, but, I’ll have to borrow a copy from someone. Like a fool, I traded-it in when the Blu Ray came out. 😦

To enhance this rare LLP theatre experience, I’ve uploaded on the ‘spleen a folder containing audio files of sound mixes of the film that have been edited to play in sync with this release.

Rather than duplicate the unintentional splicing of the release print’s optical soundtrack caused by damaged missing frames, these edits were made to polish the transition over the skip-frames so that you can better immerse yourself into the movie.

The audio options are as follows:
5.1 channel, DTS-HDMA mix from the official 2012 Blu Ray release. [dts file]
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1981 theatrical mix sourced from the 1989 Japanese, Full-Screen, LaserDisc release (WAV file)*
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1992 mix for the US, Wide-Screen LaserDisc release (WAV file)*

All you have to do is mux these files to the MKV video and you are good to go.

Bear in mind that each of these audio files includes the length of the introduction that proceeds the film, so, for best results, apply these files to the original video file that came with litemakr’s release

*audio files were made possible by schorman13 from his Indiana Jones LaserDisc Archive. My thanks to schorman13 for capturing the LD’s audio, for sharing, and for maintaining the archive.

Enjoy.

The v1.5 version was uploaded on the spleen but it was later removed by the site’s administrator. That version would have only 3 audio tracks–1 English stereo track, 1 English mono track, and 1 Spanish stero track. Perhaps you might be confusing the audio tracks with the subtitles that include English, Spanish, French, German, Italian & Finnish.

Anyway, an updated version, v1.6, is now available. The audio tracks here are the same as the ones from v1.5. If you wish to listen to the German audio track with this version, you would have to mux the German audio mix from Harmy’s Star Wars Despecialized version to the v1.6.

Also, have you consider this posting from 35mm Forum?

Notice in this July 2nd posting…

He is now selling this print at $500, the last time I checked this morning. In the first post, he has an email address, so, you can contact him outside the forum.

You also have to consider that the credits for this print will be in Italian, ex.

Diretto da James Cameron
Musica di James Horner

alexp120 said:

Presuming that this project is not dead, I just caught this June 28th posting from “Bruce Lawson” on the 35mm Forum:

Notice in this July 2nd posting…

…that the person has reduced the price to $600 from $750.

This person has posted his email address, so, the person can be contacted outside of the forum.

The seller has reduced the price to a “rock bottom” $500.

That would be the optical soundtrack from the print, or optical track, containing the Dolby Stereo 2-track mix. The audio has some subtle background pops and scratches but it doesn’t overpower the sound mix. These anomalies are what audiences in the theatre watching the film would have heard at the time of the showings. The optical track audio would be in sync with the video because it came from the print. That audio track should have came with ISO file. On the spleen, that audio is the only audio on the ISO file.

Edit:
35mmForum posting of another Titanic print for sale was removed as per poita advise:

poita said:
Also, please don’t post images or names from the 35mm forum here, it will get people banned from the 35mm forum.

BobaJett said:
As far as the audio, it looks to be about a half frame off. I wonder if I can import it into Premeire and move the audio track a hair to correct it. Any other ideas on why its off? The file plays off as well as the BD I burned.

The source of the file was from a theatrical print of the film that had some missing frames, mostly in the head end and tail end of each of the 6 reels.

Because…

Colson said:
…the GOUT is the available version of the film with every known frame from it.

….the person who attempted to sync the GOUT’s audio to the file didn’t consider the fact that the theatrical print had missing frames, so, that is why the audio and picture are not in-sync. By the time in the film that the Luke/Vader lightsaber duel at the carbon freeze chamber is finished, the audio and picture would be off by approximately 3 and a quarter seconds.

When you get to the spleen, find a torrent containing a group of GOUT audio files that have been trimmed to play in sync with the ISO file (after it has been extracted). For details, read here.

Presuming that this project is not dead, I just caught this June 28th posting from “Bruce Lawson” on the 35mm Forum:

Notice in this July 2nd posting…

…that the person has reduced the price to $600 from $750.

This person has posted his email address, so, the person can be contacted outside of the forum.

I was considering putting on the spleen the audio files copied from Harmy’s Star Wars:ANH, DE v2.7 that have been edited to fit the Star Wars SSE TN1 v1.6, but as I was working on it, I discovered some things.

I can testify that both the v1.6 and the DE v2.7 have the same number of frames in each shot of the movie, even in the head black leader proceeding the Fox logo, so, the GOUT audio will be in-sync with the v1.6. However, the DE v2.7 runs 30 seconds longer because there is another credit roll, made exclusively for this release, that appears after the film’s credit roll.

So, you guys can do this yourselves, easily. To get the GOUT audio to fit perfectly with the v1.6, one would have to shave-off 30 seconds from the tail end of the DE v2.7 video. Then load both the v1.6 (after you joined the two m2ts files together) and the edited DE v2.7 to a software like TSMuxer. In that software, select the v1.6 video (selecting that video’s audio tracks is optional); then, from your trimmed DE v2.7, select only the audio tracks that you want and not the video element (terms like “H.264”, “AVC”, “MPEG” would give you a clue); muxed them; and you are good to go.

I am sure that there are a few people that figured it out, but I thought I’d share it.

towne32 said:
Also, I find BD-Rs to be more reliable than DL DVD-Rs. Fewer write fails for me with BD. DVD-R tech is known for using shitty dye (I believe they are not expected to have the lifespan of even CD-Rs). It’s worth considering saving up for a BD burner, which can be as cheap as $65-80 bucks. But compared to spending cash on software for DVD-R burning, I think it’s a no brainer.

Another alternate would be purchasing a media player that plays ISO Disc Image files. I own this KDLinks model.

It has USB ports for sticks and external hard drives and an HDMI port to hook up to your TV.

You just download the ISO Image file to your stick or external hard drive. Plug either one to the media player. If I turn the player’s BD Menu feature to ON, I can select the ISO image file from the USB storage device and the player automatically displays the ISO image file’s menu and I can access the file’s features through the menu, just like a physical disc. For $160 at amazon.com, it’s not bad.

It saves me the hassle of waiting for a disc to finish burning only to find out that there is some flaw either in the download or in the creation of the original file ,or what ever, and you have to redo the burning on a another disc.

I do understand that people want to have a physical disc to hold and to display the artwork and if it is worth the wait and the wasted discs, so be it. I just want to have the product, now and not go through all that.

EDIT:
Maybe somewhere down the line, I may want to have a program burned to a disc and put artwork on the cover to match my Blu Ray collection, but, at least, by playing the content on a USB device, I can review the material and see if it is worth transferring to a disk.

clutchins said:

Did that guy who posted chapter titles and time codes for the Despecialized Edition make them for the ESB Grindhouse also?

alexp120 said:

“The guy” that did the chapter titles and time codes for, just, the Renegade Grindhouse ESB would be yours truly.
😃

The thought occurred to me that you may be referring to the chapter menu in the Blu Ray ISO image version. Well, I had no involvement in that release. To be honest, I don’t member whether there were chapter stops and I no longer have the ISO disc image. I just download the ISO image, like everybody else, extracted the ISO, and joined the m2ts files. The m2ts files didn’t have chapter stops embedded so I made my own chapter menu, and shared that here and on M/S.

I just wanted to be clear on that.

“The guy” that did the chapter titles and time codes for, just, the Renegade Grindhouse ESB would be yours truly.
😃

Edit:
I need to mention that my chapter menu is not a cut and paste job from Chapterdb. I ran this video through my media player, MPC- HC , selected points in the video where I’ve selected my chapter stops, and wrote down the player’s timecode in hh:mm: ss:mm when in freeze-frame.
There is a difference between the chapter shops between the official Blu Ray release and mine for this release. The official Blu Ray tends to put the chapter markers at scenes where they are in the middle of effects transitional wipes–horizontal, vertical, clock-motions, etc. My markers are positioned at scenes where the effects transitional wipes are done.

Assuming that you have downloaded the torrent already, that sound mix that you are asking can be found in this file:

English [eng] (dts-hd ma, 48000Hz, mono).dts

The 8 files that I mentioned above were copied from the audio stream of Harmy’s Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition, MKV container, so, the mono mix of the 1980 16mm version is in there.

I just uploaded on M/S a torrent containing a batch of audio files copied from Harmy’s DE 2.0 of Empire MKV that have been edited-down to synch with Renegade Grindhouse ESB: Blu Ray Compatible ISO—meaning, for each audio stream from Empire DE, I have trimmed the length of the audio to match the length of the Renegade Grindhouse Empire video of the release print scan and the edited audio is in synchronization with that video. You will not hear any audio anomalies of the edits–clicks, pops, etc.

All you have to do is mux the audio files with the video…provided that you extract video from the ISO disc image and join the six m2ts files to one long video file.

I decided to work with the ISO Compatible version instead of the previous MKV version of the same presentation because that MKV had a glitch in the final scene of the film where it was corrected in the ISO. Also, many folks had problems playing the MKV’s 4:2:2 colorspace format.

To make sure that the length of the GOUT audio files matches that length of ESB release print video, I had to compare the number of frames of each shot of the film between the release print video and the GOUT video. If so much as one frame is missing from the release print video, I have to go the GOUT audio to trim it. Fortunately, the avisynth scripts for syncing the release print video to the GOUT audio created by fandangos and Darth Mallwalker were a great start to finding these shots. My thanks to them for their work. However, I discovered other shots in the Grindhouse ESB that had missing frames. But, the thing is that, these shots show no evidence of skip-frames. This reminds me of this Hairy_Hen post…

hairy_hen said:

I’m actually fairly certain the GOUT does have more frames than might normally have been seen. The reason I say this is that if you listen extremely closely, you can actually hear small jump-cuts in the soundtracks where the audio has been looped, in order to extend it in length. Such a thing would only have been done if the video ended up being slightly longer than the audio, for the sake of maintaining synch.

Without fail, edits of this type occur each time there is a reel change. Since it happens about every ten to eleven minutes, these would correspond to the shorter reel lengths of a negative or interpositive, rather than the double length of a theatrical print. These are the same spots where different video transfers go out of synch with each other.

Most of this had to have been done for the Definitive Collection laserdiscs themselves back in 1993, but the GOUT also has a few additional edits of this nature that the laserdisc tracks do not, though for what reason I’m not sure. Since there can be so much discrepancy in frame counts between versions, even ones derived from the same master, picking one convenient reference and sticking to it—namely, the NTSC version of the GOUT—is the best way to ensure that audio synch issues are eliminated. I don’t especially like the idea of dropping any frames either, but in practice the differences are small enough not to be noticed when watching, and it is still more complete than a typical 35mm print (ie, the -1 version) would have been.

So, I did the trim of these shots in the GOUT audio.

For now, I’ve upload 8 audio files. The description of the files are as follows:

TRACK 1) 5.1 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix) (Yes, true 5.1 channel audio, not down mixed stereo)
TRACK 2) 2.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix)
TRACK 3) 1.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 16mm mono mix)
TRACK 4) 2.0 Dolby Digital [English] (1993 Laserdisc mix)
TRACK 5) 2.0 Dolby Digital [German] (1980 dub)
TRACK 6) 2.0 Dolby Digital [French] (1980 dub)
And for one of our members, Leoj… 😃
TRACK 7) 2.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 Castilian dub)
TRACK 8) 1.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 American Spanish dub)

Enjoy!

I just uploaded on M/S a torrent containing a batch of audio files copied from Harmy’s DE 2.0 of Empire MKV that have been edited-down to synch with Renegade Grindhouse ESB: Blu Ray Compatible ISO—meaning, for each audio stream from Empire DE, I have trimmed the length of the audio to match the length of the Renegade Grindhouse Empire video of the release print scan and the edited audio is in synchronization with that video. You will not hear any audio anomalies of the edits-clicks, pops, etc.

All you have to do is mux the audio files with the video…provided that you extract video from the ISO disc image and join the six m2ts files to one long video file.

I decided to work with the ISO Compatible version instead of the previous MKV version of the same presentation because that MKV had a glitch in the final scene of the film where it was corrected in the ISO. Also, many folks had problems playing the MKV’s 4:2:2 colorspace format.

To make sure that the length of the GOUT audio files matches that length of ESB release print video, I had to compare the number of frames of each shot of the film between the release print video and the GOUT video. If so much as one frame is missing from the release print video, I have to go the GOUT audio to trim it. Fortunately, the avisynth scripts for syncing the release print video to the GOUT audio created by fandangos and Darth Mallwalker were a great start to finding these shots. My thanks to them for their work. However, I discovered other shots in the Grindhouse ESB that had missing frames. But, the thing is that, these shots show no evidence of skip-frames. This reminds me of this Hairy_Hen post…

hairy_hen said:

I’m actually fairly certain the GOUT does have more frames than might normally have been seen. The reason I say this is that if you listen extremely closely, you can actually hear small jump-cuts in the soundtracks where the audio has been looped, in order to extend it in length. Such a thing would only have been done if the video ended up being slightly longer than the audio, for the sake of maintaining synch.

Without fail, edits of this type occur each time there is a reel change. Since it happens about every ten to eleven minutes, these would correspond to the shorter reel lengths of a negative or interpositive, rather than the double length of a theatrical print. These are the same spots where different video transfers go out of synch with each other.

Most of this had to have been done for the Definitive Collection laserdiscs themselves back in 1993, but the GOUT also has a few additional edits of this nature that the laserdisc tracks do not, though for what reason I’m not sure. Since there can be so much discrepancy in frame counts between versions, even ones derived from the same master, picking one convenient reference and sticking to it—namely, the NTSC version of the GOUT—is the best way to ensure that audio synch issues are eliminated. I don’t especially like the idea of dropping any frames either, but in practice the differences are small enough not to be noticed when watching, and it is still more complete than a typical 35mm print (ie, the -1 version) would have been.

So, I did the trim of these shots in the GOUT audio.

For now, I’ve upload 8 audio files. The description of the files are as follows:

TRACK 1) 5.1 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix) (Yes, true 5.1 channel audio, not down mixed stereo)
TRACK 2) 2.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 mix)
TRACK 3) 1.0 DTS-HD-MA [English] (1980 16mm mono mix)
TRACK 4) 2.0 Dolby Digital [English] (1993 Laserdisc mix)
TRACK 5) 2.0 Dolby Digital [German] (1980 dub)
TRACK 6) 2.0 Dolby Digital [French] (1980 dub)
And for one of our members, Leoj… 😃
TRACK 7) 2.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 Castilian dub)
TRACK 8) 1.0 Dolby Digital [Spanish] (1980 American Spanish dub)

Enjoy!

For Avisynth and VirtualDub, is it possible to plug a multichannel audio bitstream (AC3, DTS), edit it, and output the audio in the same multichannel bitstream with no 2-channel downmix?

With this Avisynth script and VirtualDub, is it possible to plug in a multichannel audio bitstream (AC3, DTS, etc), edit it, and have it output in the same multichannel bitstream with no 2-channel downmix?

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