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#1139088
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

Using Audacity for pitch shifting isn’t so great, apparently. Do you think you could try pitching it like that with your tools? You’ve got a better sound setup than I do anyway 😃

Audacity is great for a lot of things, but yeah. Good idea though, I gave it a try and it worked nicely. I’ll update the sound mix after I’m done with the slow motion reactions fix.

Do you have the “The republic has been swept aside” line without changed pitch and other effects? I could process that as well in case someone wants to use it.

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#1139031
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Just checking in briefly from work! You’ll have to imagine wild praise from me for the time being, because all I have time to chime in about right now is about the slowed down shots. Once the Starkiller begins to fire, most if not all of the shots between that point and the Hosnian system coming into frame are from elsewhere in the film and have been slowed down. And yes, all of these are present in the ‘big test’ video. However, I cannot enable downloading of the video without paying Vimeo, and I can’t upload the clip another way unless I’m at home. 😕

Hey there! That’s okay, I managed to download it anyway.

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#1139016
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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bromeo said:

Sir Ridley said:

😄 First I cobbled together a replacement background using frames from the movie and some painting. I then inserted that background over the original shot and made it follow the camera movement, and added new film noise over it to match the rest of the shot. I then cut out the unnecessary bits of the replacement background so it only covers Kylo Ren and a little bit of background and leaves Hux intact. This is how I did the timecode removal for the deleted scenes as well, even though that was more complex.

You’re a wizard, Ridley. 😎

Interesting, I hear that’s what they told a young dark haired boy once. He got sent to a school together with other young wizards. Some troubling events took place there but he came out of it fine and in time he became a very powerful young man. Today he goes by the name of Kylo Ren.

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Good point. Maybe TLJ will offer some dialog to improve this scene in a potential V3, but for now you’re probably right in leaving it as is.

Oh, and the slowed down shots are the pilot reactions when Starkiller fires. One of Poe and one from another pilot whose name I can’t remember. They’re both taken from the “There’s a brand new hole in that oscillator” scene IIRC.

I’ll have a look!

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#1139006
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Regarding the slowed down shots, I do not have a way to make those better than what’s there now, but if anyone is able to do so, feel free and pass them along.

Are they all present in your “Big test” Vimeo video? If you’d let me download that video for reference and point out which shots are slowed I could send replacement shots.

MalàStrana said:

Sir Ridley said:
Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

!!!

How did you manage to get rid of Ren from the shot in such a short time ?!?

😄 First I cobbled together a replacement background using frames from the movie and some painting. I then inserted that background over the original shot and made it follow the camera movement, and added new film noise over it to match the rest of the shot. I then cut out the unnecessary bits of the replacement background so it only covers Kylo Ren and a little bit of background and leaves Hux intact. This is how I did the timecode removal for the deleted scenes as well, even though that was more complex.

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#1138996
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

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#1138992
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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fishmanlee said:

Thanks Hal!, I’ll definitely try to adapt to whatever the final cut of the Snoke scene turns out to be.

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

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#1138987
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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bromeo said:

Hmmm, Leia & Korr Sella deleted scene. Was she even established in the original TFA? When Hosnian Prime (another name I had to learn from wiki) met with the laser, I remember thinking “who is that beautiful lady about to get vaporized?”

Very excited to see all this edit magic happen even after TLJ. Seriously, in my opinion… there is no need to hurry JUST to get Restructured V2 out before the new movie. Take all the time you need. * looking at everyone involved *

EDIT: Ridley, that crawl… something truly special. 😛

I don’t think Korr Sella gets an introduction, no! She’s still an “unnamed” background character, but I’m glad she has a scene now.

It looks like V2 could get done before TLJ without cutting corners, but of course there is no end to the tweaks that could be made. I think V2 will be great, and if you want more there will always be other fan edits of TFA down the line, from me and others who worked on this. And perhaps even a V3 some day.

I’m glad everyone keeps praising the crawl when it’s just some text in space, although it wasn’t easy to get it exactly right of course. Thank you!

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#1138959
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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MalàStrana said:

Just to be sure: is the first Snoke scene going to stay as it was in V1 or is it changed back to the theatrical cut (so many ideas have been raised these past few pages I’m no longer sure) ?

Hal mentioned on the last page that he would like to use my scene order, found here:
https://vimeo.com/245983069
pass: crush

Hux: Supreme Leader, we have their location. We tracked their reconnaissance ship to the Ileenium system.

Snoke: Good. Then we will crush the resistance before they get to Skywalker. Prepare the weapon!

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#1138958
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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MalàStrana said:

Just a quick remark about the first paragraph of the crawl. Currently it is:

In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the fallen Empire, plotting its return to power.

Wouldn’t it work better with this slight change ?

In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER, risen from the ashes of the fallen Empire, is plotting its return to power.

They have different meaning, though. The first one says that the First Order has risen in the absence of Luke Skywalker, and is also plotting their return to power. The second one says that the First Order is plotting in his absence, and they have also risen from the ashes at some point. I think the first one flows better and makes a bit more sense to me.

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#1138954
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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So here are my files:

Crawl with faulty beginning:
https://mega.nz/#!LEcEBRiT!iMuM7Ee2ZuOPAn7bEPcqgXij3WIMDqW43Tu_SJiVM4g

New beginning for the crawl, use with the rest of the clip above:
https://mega.nz/#!Ddc1AT7A!6aFKbxZmg3tM7Br0mqZHSese7eWCM-9H43WL6yBfDMQ

Maz’s castle sequence:
https://mega.nz/#!7MURESwK!nDaRVLpLeELeXyofFbjcPkq893Y61hoFCz158RgZRVE

Maz’s castle audio:
https://mega.nz/#!WcVE2B7Q!ttn6AYgaU4kYX_xZ2c0GEUcG9TeRbIZRqvS14pUhbfM

Snoke scene:
https://mega.nz/#!HZE3GADK!Dxz6aTh7fukkVDZOeE4irLU74YYhJPu4hhZP6H00XE8

Snoke scene audio:
https://mega.nz/#!SBUyGIAT!YJXIFYGs_Eym4Am2O3SIlxDCTfvlVc_Wt_TGtuiK9bA

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#1138572
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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The line sounds odd technically and the choice of words is peculiar (“swept aside”). I understand the reasoning that Hux would mention this to Snoke, but maybe it’s better to just assume this happened off screen or that Snoke found out in some other way. Snoke’s next line doesn’t make much sense in that context either. If this was news to Snoke he would have some sort of reaction to it and not just follow with “Then the Resistance must be destroyed …” which is a good follow up to the original “they have the map” but not really to “the Republic is gone”.

The thought behind my version is that it gives the short scene a logical narrative. Hux tells Snoke that they’ve tracked the Resistance and Snoke thinks that’s good and proposes that they fire on them.

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#1138467
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Thank you! But I just noticed there’s an error in how the STAR WARS title fades out, I’ll get that fixed. I’m also working on a version of the Snoke scene which I’ll be able to show off soon.

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#1138098
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

FanTASTIC! That’s unbelievably flawless work. It’s almost a shame, since anyone who would break apart this edit to look for seams would never imagine the deleted scene was not originally supplied in full 5.1.

Haha, that’s true. Thank you.

I’m currently uploading the crawl as well as Maz’s Castle, my internet is a bit slow so I’ll let it upload overnight and then I can send the links tomorrow. And then I’ll see what I can do with the Snoke scene.

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#1137479
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Might be good to keep a mention of the resistance for clarity.

“Good, then we will crush the resistance before they get to Skywalker. Prepare the weapon.”

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#1137465
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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How about:
“Supreme leader, we have tracked their reconnaissance ship to the Ileenium system.”
“Good, then we will crush them once and for all. The resistance must be destroyed before they get to Skywalker. Prepare the weapon.”

Or shorter:
“Supreme leader, we have tracked their reconnaissance ship to the Ileenium system.”
“Good, then we will crush them before they get to Skywalker. Prepare the weapon.”

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#1136819
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

(I know my life will be radically different after my wife and I have our first child in February.)

I’d say for the Snoke scene, the only thing we’d need is to have the first shot, made to look like Hux is standing there rather than Ren. (If possible; I don’t know how you pull off graphical wizardry like this.)

Wow, congratulations! 😃

Sure, I’ll Hux it up.

NeverarGreat said:

I suggested at one point having some sort of sound effect (ANH Star Destroyer flyover?) but I don’t know what SirRidley’s cooking up for that.

I’m adding engine noises, but I’ll look into adding a hyperspace exit thump.

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#1136740
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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What I’ll deliver:
• Crawl (finished, needs rendering)
• Maz’s castle (needs minor audio tweaks and rendering)
• Deleted scene audio (finished, needs rendering)

And if needed I’ll help out with the new Snoke scene.

Did I forget anything?

These things can probably get done in time to finish V2 before TLJ, we shall see.

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#1136488
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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That’s not bad! I would change a few things. I would make the first sound of the escaped rathtar more dramatic. I would probably cut away to a quick shot of escaped rathtars. And I would put the rathtar on the window before Han says they’re going out at light speed (to give him a clear reason to do so).

And then you’d have to change how the First Order finds out about BB-8’s location and Snoke’s line about that. And then there’s the thing with Chewie being injured which might be tricky to deal with. You’d have to either remove Chewie’s injury after the rathtar scene or add the bandage to before the rathtar scene (which might be easier).

Anyway, I’ll try this out, it could work for my edit.

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#1136409
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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DominicCobb said:

Alright, I wanted to get this out before I called it a night but my computer was acting up so I didn’t have any time to make it pretty, but here’s a very rough idea of what could be done with the music:
https://vimeo.com/245147530
password: hux

That’s pretty cool. Which cue is that? I like the part from 0:13 and after. I think before that the Snoke music could stay as it is. And then maybe the new cue could come in slightly earlier so the brass part begins after “once and for all” but before “prepare the weapon”.

By the way, I’m editing the audio for the deleted scene now, it’s going well.

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