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#1136190
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s another attempt at that little scene. I added some faint distant explosion sounds when we cut back to Finn and Rey, as well as using audio of Finn breathing heavily from earlier in the film (as in the previous clip I posted). I tried to thread the needle with the music as we transition into Snoke, and I think it’s much better than the initial mockup.

https://vimeo.com/245068520
password: monkey

This works well, it’s interesting to see all the new ideas being tried!

The problems I see with this clip:
• At 0:25 Kylo needs to be replaced with Hux, shouldn’t be too difficult though.
• At 0:31 where Snoke looks over to the side. If Hux is the only one there Snoke’s gaze should be fixed on him. So the cut needs to happen sooner or the shot needs to be slowed so his head doesn’t move.
• At 0:47 the “Snoke music” keeps playing, which for me doesn’t work. I think it only fits in the presence of Snoke and I’d rather see it replaced with a bit of something else. Perhaps a more orchestral cue could start to build over Snokes last lines to give a different feeling to them as well, as “prepare the weapon” is now a “hand me my gun” type of line rather than “we will fire eventually”.

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#1134946
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

The deleted scenes have no surroundsound, they are presented in stereo. That’s where a lot of the trouble comes in. There’s just nothing else to work with.

Right, could you upload your edited stereo file then? With music separate. What I would do is use audio editing software to extract a center channel from the stereo file and then make separate tracks for dialogue and background noise that can be edited individually and mixed to proper surround sound.

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#1134888
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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That’s great! 😄 I only have a few tiny problems with the sound. First, when she says “immediately”, the beginning of the word is a bit odd. It’s a bit long so it sounds like “eeemidiately” or perhaps “idimediately”. And the background rumbling connected to her words could be extended so they don’t start and stop as she speaks. And then after she says “insane” it’s as if the background noise drops out for a bit and then kicks back in just before “or maybe they do”.

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#1134389
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Did you need to color correct it further? I tried to match the color to the existing resistance base scenes. Your final version looks a bit too high contrast to me, with skin tones too bright and orange.

Here’s a comparison between my grading and reference frames from the untouched film.
https://imgur.com/a/z7EVP

To me my colors look fine, but I see the blue in the shadows could be toned down a little bit and it could be even less contrasted overall.

I tweaked my colors slightly to get even closer to the movie’s look, so this is my suggestion for a final color grade:
https://mega.nz/#!nFEw2BxA!ZzTOO__xA5gkVVNoRR70WrNGGbHOMhOhr64j4uZ1h7Q

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#1134197
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Any suggestions? I used the Huffyuv codec which I’ve seen you using on clips, it seems to work fine in Premiere for me.

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#1128884
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Thank you for your patience! 😃 Happy to report that the Leia scene fix is going well! The timecode is gone and the braid is gone on the most difficult shot (where Leia moves to sit down), so not a lot of work left on that.

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#1128531
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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It would certainly be nice to have everything done before TLJ so I’ll try to get things done (which isn’t my strong suit, sorry). Working on the deleted scene fix right now. The crawl can be done quickly if we all agree on the text.

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#1117951
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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That’s a nice idea. Personally I don’t think that exposition needs to be there, but using that deleted scene for such a thing is something to consider.

If the scene would be used to explain the lack of panic and the no-violence policy I think it would have to be stated more clearly than in your example dialogue, though.

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#1116801
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Yeah, I’d also like to have it done before TLJ, that should definitely be doable.

That trailer, just … wow. It’s a lot to process.

NeverarGreat said:
By the way Ridley, what music was used for the last part of the Maz’s Castle video?

The last part, inside with Maz, is using pieces from “I Can Fly Anything”.

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#1116173
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I think she just runs because she’s overwhelmed and needs to be alone for a moment, and when she calms down she can think of an actual plan for leaving. With this in mind I think the scene works as it is. When she stops in the forest she doesn’t have a clear plan, just a feeling that she wants to get away. Before she has a chance to think any further BB-8 shows up, and she tells him she’s leaving. Then when she sees the attack she realizes she can’t leave her friends behind.

Your idea removes the “leaving” part, which I guess might make it easier to accept that she then goes back with BB-8 without much motivation (before she knows about the attack), but I feel like the point of her running into the forest in the first place was to show her strong urge to leave. So if we remove the idea of “leaving” the running away might seem even more random.

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#1107345
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

😃

I did another version of the Resistance Briefing scene, further tweaking Leia’s mouth movements (as usual) and giving 3PO this line: “Oh my! Without the Republic fleet, they’re doomed!”

How do you go about changing mouth movements?

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#1107331
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

The one awkward thing there that stands out for me is the re-editing of the Kor Sella scene. Any particular reason for that?

The original editing of the scene had Kor Sella smiling in reaction to Leia’s line ‘Not all the senators think I’m insane’. While that may be a humorous exaggeration, it doesn’t seem like a joke. After her reaction, Leia then says ‘…or maybe they do. I don’t care.’. This seems like the punchline to me, which is why I put her reaction here. It also gives the scene some room to breathe, otherwise it would cut too fast back to Finn and Poe. Of course, this change meant that I had to find some other shot of Kor Sella between Leia’s lines, so I took the only moment where she wasn’t talking and slowed it down as much as I dared.

Yeah, this is good. I’m not fully convinced by the new little reaction you made, I might tweak it a bit when I put in my FX parts. But putting Kor Sellas smile at the end is definitely the right thing to do.

MalàStrana said:

By the way Sir Ridley, have you been given second thoughts about some changes you want (or don’t want) to implement into your own edit ?

My plan hasn’t really changed. I will use most changes from Restructured v2, whatever they turn out to be in the end, perhaps apart from the changes to the Starkiller explosion scene. In v2 the plan seems to be to cut out Poe’s happy line but somehow keep the score intact by reediting and remaking parts of the sound mix. I’m happy with my simpler solution of cutting Poe’s line and sacrificing a bit of the score. And besides the v2 changes I will add my own changes, listed in my project thread. I will keep my thread updated if there’s any news!

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#1107323
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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That’s good (the briefing scene)! I see some small issues. It needs BB-8 foley, “any word from the republic” sounds a little odd around the “the” (perhaps someone could record a new line?) and the shot of Leia saying “no” could perhaps be better (maybe slightly animate the mouth to an O shape) but otherwise it seems like a good way to do it.

The deleted scene works great! Needs some work in the audio department (and visual, of course) but I like what you’ve done.

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#1105665
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Finn’s line will be changed to “They’ve found us!”. 😃

I’m not sure about the sun thing, I think it was discussed but I don’t remember what was said exactly. It might be good to adjust that shot somehow.

Nit picking is fine. Maybe not everything can be changed, but it can be considered.

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