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Sir Ridley

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#1142286
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Having seen TLJ today I would say the Snoke scene can stay. I don’t think there are any contradictions created by the restructuring.

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#1141143
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

One more thing I noticed - there’s a low rumble when Finn sees the Finalizer, but I don’t think it’s loud enough for Finn to notice, at least with the music. Perhaps it would help to mix in a more conventional ship sound, something like when the Falcon enters Yavin IV’s atmosphere.

I think he originally reacts to the crowd reaction. But you may be right. If you could link to the ship sound you’re referring to it would help.

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#1140610
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Ridley, the 3PO shot looks great, as does the fixed slow shots from Kylo to the technicians. I wonder, though, if you could send me the 3PO leg shot without artificial black widescreen bars applied? It appears to be zoomed slightly, and to have had these bars put on. The problem is that they are slightly farther into the frame than the rest of my timeline. If you can send me the shot, zoomed though it may be, I can apply the widescreen matte on my own and have it match perfectly.

Gotcha! 😃

ziggyonice said:

Sir Ridley said:

And I’ve identified the shots needing new slow motion from the crying Rey/Falcon escape.

So, while you’re looking at retiming, there’s a certain shot that is in the theatrical release that is clearly in slow motion and it bugs me every time I see it.

rey

It’s at 1:57:20 in Restructured V2. The shot of Rey standing over Kylo when she beats him. Look at the falling snow and it’s clearly in slow mo. There isn’t a way to retime that, is there? It stands out to me every time and bugs the crap out of me.

I mean, it could be sped up, but I think it needs to be slow to sort of focus in on Rey there for a bit.

Hal 9000 said:

THE LAST JEDI must have been released and seen by us

Fine, if I really have to… 😉

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#1140483
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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RogueLeader said:

Sir Ridley said:

And I’ve identified the shots needing new slow motion from the crying Rey/Falcon escape. It starts with the shot when the Falcon headlights appear and ends before the shot of the Falcon flying off in a cloud of snow. But strangely this sequence is exactly the same length as in the original movie, but they’re slightly out of sync and shots start at slightly different times so I’m not sure what has been done to that part and why.

I’ve noticed what you’re talking about, but I felt like I’ve noticed this in multiple versions of the movie. Have you checked other sources to see if it has that weird lag/effect as well? Maybe I’m wrong.

I overlayed a part of my rip of the original movie (which doesn’t have the lag, that comes from slowing down shots resulting in some frames being shown twice which causes the stutter) on Restructured V2, and the sequence I mentioned above start and end on the exact same frame but within the sequence some shots seem just slightly slower in V2 and cuts happen at different times. I believe Neverar did this sequence, so maybe he can explain what’s been done. It might have something to do with taking out the shot of Rey picking up the lightsaber and slowing down shots to make this work but then putting the shot back in, I think there was a discussion about that.

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#1140469
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Leg removed:
https://mega.nz/#!LQckTDbZ!yeX94TUMc1AizKvIHF_chm3YZCzfJse3No_YGSeDzMQ

Leg

Here are some more slowed shots too, specifically the closeup of Kylo and then the First Order control room again because it seems like that one was a couple of frames too short.
https://mega.nz/#!yMFyDChZ!TIY1V4KXEhE_nyNiPvg5gxiuNIHOw4gINzx_i_aAT78

And I’ve identified the shots needing new slow motion from the crying Rey/Falcon escape. It starts with the shot when the Falcon headlights appear and ends before the shot of the Falcon flying off in a cloud of snow. But strangely this sequence is exactly the same length as in the original movie, but they’re slightly out of sync and shots start at slightly different times so I’m not sure what has been done to that part and why.

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#1140427
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s that shot in context, zoomed and shifted left just enough to remove Threepio’s leg. Also boosted up the foley for him walking off.

https://vimeo.com/246707625
password: zoom

It’s not great. Ridley, if you would like to do something about the leg, please feel free, but I don’t wish to burden you with what seems like such a tiny thing.

It should be quick and painless, I’ll give it a go. The foley is better now, but I think it could begin slightly earlier (over the “removed leg” shot) and might need a bit more clanky footsteps over the servo sounds.

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#1140395
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a clip with foley for 3PO, harvested from good ol’ Revenge of the Sith.

https://vimeo.com/246613493
password: servo

Almost impossible to hear any 3PO walking here, it needs to be… more intense! And I would suggest slightly zooming in on sad BB-8 at the 8 second mark to hide 3PO’s leg which should be walking away at that point. Alternatively the leg could be hidden by placing a new R2 image over it, I could try something like that. Even though removing a golden leg would be the opposite of alchemy, really.

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#1140065
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:
I think for the Maz scene it would have let the original music be audible. (I got the audio fully baked from Ridley, but I assumed that was the reason so I did not ask.)
I also got the Snoke audio from Ridley fully prepared, but I believe it would be too jarring to fade the audio in after that point rather than when it begins.

I’ll have a look at the sound mix in these spots and see what can be done.

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#1140004
Topic
TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’ll have a look at these things:
• Kylo Ren’s helmet on/off
• 3PO walking sound
• Recolored Leia deleted scene (I am of course partial to my own coloring found here
https://mega.nz/#!nFEw2BxA!ZzTOO__xA5gkVVNoRR70WrNGGbHOMhOhr64j4uZ1h7Q but I’ll send an uncorrected version to Neverar so he can have another go at it)
• Fix shots “after Han is shanked to Leia’s Force reaction”
• Updated Starkiller shot as X-wings arrive (I think I have a version of this)
• Dub tech guy to tell Hux “weapon fully recharged” (maybe)

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#1139947
Topic
TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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If someone makes a v2.1 checklist I’ll get working on what’s needed. 😉

Here’s a start:
• New deleted scene grade
• New “no smoke” shot
• More updated slomo shots
• Kylo helmet fix
• 3PO foley

bromeo said:

This was probably not meant to be removed in this edit but after Finn’s “they’ve found us”, Han and Finn are with Maz in the basement and she goes “those beasts, they’re here” as in they didn’t inform her? Just “those beasts…” would’ve been enough. Super nitpicky, I know. I can live with it though. The Rathtars are still my biggest gripe. Other than that… this movie feels like a masterpiece now.

I interpret it as “they’re here (on the ground)” as opposed to just floating in the sky as they saw earlier. Maybe?

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#1139755
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

I think we both know how a duel of the edits would end up - my edit would probably have more crazy ideas, and yours would be more professional. 😉

Surely I’ll borrow a few crazy ideas though! I’m more technical than crazy so having someone else come up with the crazy bits helps… 😉

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#1139707
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I fundamentally (empathically) disagree!

Well, I’m not convinced by all your ideas. Like removing Snoke’s name for some reason and removing Rey’s plan to leave and such. But that’s why I’m making my own edit, to make it to my own taste (and to have a Duel of the Fanedits).

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#1139377
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Thanks for that cutlist. I was going to write one up this morning anyway, so that’ll help. I’m not going to crop Chewie out of the shot with Leia, though. I’m doing something slightly different with the ‘late afternoon’ grade of the Maz’s Castle battle sequence… Since the color corrected versions overlays perfectly with the original, I am going to fade in the effect very gradually until it’s just slightly less pronounced than when it originally appeared to be sunset. Sort of a middle ground, and subtle.

Sweet! Just remember that I did a bit of mouth animation for the “found us” line so you don’t end up with a ghost mouth there.

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#1139371
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’m happy to hear everything is coming together nicely! It’s been great working together on this. 😃

NeverarGreat said:

Great to hear!

Here’s the V1 cutlist, updated to the best of my memory to include the new changes.

Nice! I dont know how exhaustive this list should be (I know some like them vague and some list everything with time codes and all) but you might want to mention that the Maz sequence has been rescored and Finn’s line changed.

And if we’re being consistent you could add “FX by Neverar/Ridley/Hal” next to some of the changes, but it might be better to put the credits somewhere else instead.

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#1139227
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Just checking in briefly from work! You’ll have to imagine wild praise from me for the time being, because all I have time to chime in about right now is about the slowed down shots. Once the Starkiller begins to fire, most if not all of the shots between that point and the Hosnian system coming into frame are from elsewhere in the film and have been slowed down. And yes, all of these are present in the ‘big test’ video. However, I cannot enable downloading of the video without paying Vimeo, and I can’t upload the clip another way unless I’m at home. 😕

Here we go, slow motion shots:
https://mega.nz/#!eU9VnBZZ!yn9m5kDdGmUW9xdRQgegKEDLMwgaKUKh8l5bw4bWfsw

And new audio for the Maz scene (with freshly adjusted “found us” line):
https://mega.nz/#!WcVE2B7Q!ttn6AYgaU4kYX_xZ2c0GEUcG9TeRbIZRqvS14pUhbfM

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#1139209
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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darth_ender said:

Sir Ridley said:

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Would it not be possible to include the video game line and add a slight echo to all of Hux’s lines to help it blend? I like the line a lot, and he is speaking loudly in a vast chamber.

It would be possible, but I don’t think it would sound great. And I still think it’s a problem how there’s no reaction or acknowledgement from Snoke. Perhaps if you use the “good” from later, but that’s still an underwhelming reaction. And the “swept aside” line itself is not dramatic enough, in my opinion. They blew up planets, they’re not “aside”, they’re gone forever.

So I don’t know, it can be done, but the result wouldn’t be seamless enough.

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#1139088
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

Using Audacity for pitch shifting isn’t so great, apparently. Do you think you could try pitching it like that with your tools? You’ve got a better sound setup than I do anyway 😃

Audacity is great for a lot of things, but yeah. Good idea though, I gave it a try and it worked nicely. I’ll update the sound mix after I’m done with the slow motion reactions fix.

Do you have the “The republic has been swept aside” line without changed pitch and other effects? I could process that as well in case someone wants to use it.

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#1139031
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Just checking in briefly from work! You’ll have to imagine wild praise from me for the time being, because all I have time to chime in about right now is about the slowed down shots. Once the Starkiller begins to fire, most if not all of the shots between that point and the Hosnian system coming into frame are from elsewhere in the film and have been slowed down. And yes, all of these are present in the ‘big test’ video. However, I cannot enable downloading of the video without paying Vimeo, and I can’t upload the clip another way unless I’m at home. 😕

Hey there! That’s okay, I managed to download it anyway.

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#1139016
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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bromeo said:

Sir Ridley said:

😄 First I cobbled together a replacement background using frames from the movie and some painting. I then inserted that background over the original shot and made it follow the camera movement, and added new film noise over it to match the rest of the shot. I then cut out the unnecessary bits of the replacement background so it only covers Kylo Ren and a little bit of background and leaves Hux intact. This is how I did the timecode removal for the deleted scenes as well, even though that was more complex.

You’re a wizard, Ridley. 😎

Interesting, I hear that’s what they told a young dark haired boy once. He got sent to a school together with other young wizards. Some troubling events took place there but he came out of it fine and in time he became a very powerful young man. Today he goes by the name of Kylo Ren.

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Good point. Maybe TLJ will offer some dialog to improve this scene in a potential V3, but for now you’re probably right in leaving it as is.

Oh, and the slowed down shots are the pilot reactions when Starkiller fires. One of Poe and one from another pilot whose name I can’t remember. They’re both taken from the “There’s a brand new hole in that oscillator” scene IIRC.

I’ll have a look!

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#1139006
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Regarding the slowed down shots, I do not have a way to make those better than what’s there now, but if anyone is able to do so, feel free and pass them along.

Are they all present in your “Big test” Vimeo video? If you’d let me download that video for reference and point out which shots are slowed I could send replacement shots.

MalàStrana said:

Sir Ridley said:
Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

!!!

How did you manage to get rid of Ren from the shot in such a short time ?!?

😄 First I cobbled together a replacement background using frames from the movie and some painting. I then inserted that background over the original shot and made it follow the camera movement, and added new film noise over it to match the rest of the shot. I then cut out the unnecessary bits of the replacement background so it only covers Kylo Ren and a little bit of background and leaves Hux intact. This is how I did the timecode removal for the deleted scenes as well, even though that was more complex.

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