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#1050326
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Restoring Enter the Dragon original mono track
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Hits said:

I checked the mono track on the bluray for that sound of the revolving mirror you talked about, but I didn’t hear anything. I did notice a very subtle difference in the sound but all it was that on the bluray they increased the impact sound of Han knocking into that spear.

There are 3 different sounds of Han being impaled on the Spear

Us Version, Cantonese Version and Mandarin version. The Mandarin version sounds the most juicy If I remember correctly so I used that one. And it’s probably the same sound from the UK TV cut as I believe the UK TV cut was sourced using the mandarin mix in a lot of instances.

But the sound of Bruce pushing the revolving mirror door is not in any of the newer releases but I am pretty sure I remember it from my old VHS taped of the TV.

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#1050273
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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SilverWook said:

There are still some people for whom DVD is “good enough”. There were people who would buy VHS if it was still offered. I do recall a few barking loonies on the late IMDB boards who insisted Blu Rays were a ripoff. 😉

Hello 😃

I only buy Blu-Ray if it’s something I really admire and like.

I probably have only about 20 odd Blu Rays but I have over 300 DVD’s.

I bought the exorcist on VHS the other month. Only for what is in the box though not for the actual VHS so much.

Film was toned down a bit, nothing much but it was toned down by the general look of it. And stuff changed paired down. Does not stop it from being interesting though. I think it would have just been nice to see how the tone of the film changed and stuff. I think we pretty much know a lot of what was changed now about it. It would just be nice to see the stuff.

I was going to buy Rogue One on Blu-Ray…

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#1049944
Topic
Restoring Enter the Dragon original mono track
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Hits said:

Ronster your a legend. For the video what source are you using?

I used a DVD that came free with the Hong Kong Legends Magazine Diagostini release. It was kind of around the time of the first UK special edition release. before they did the 20th anniversary. It was kind of Part color corrected like the special edition. Looking back now I really need not have bothered using that release as it was like a half done version from Hong Kong before they released the 20th Anniversary version but I wanted something raw and grindhouse although I wanted to sort the Color and contrast out. I learnt a lot whilst doing it I think that was really the pay off for myself.

I think it looks good with a bit of dirt grime and scratches it suits the film in a way, as It’s like an old pair of comfortable shoes. It always had dirt on it when it was on TV too.

I re-arranged the middle part of the film also as it’s in the wrong order as per the script. It works a bit better in the middle part.

It’s not just a hit sound missing for Bolo and Roper fight.

https://vimeo.com/189354932

Yeah bad removing the music needs to be put back.

The old UK TV cut I seem to remember Bruce going out the Patio doors and then it was straight on to the guard Dog barking.

I also distinctly remember when Bruce leaves the mirror maze there was a sound for him pushing the revolving door.

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#1049450
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Stargate Deleted scenes.

https://vimeo.com/205399595

Pretty much every deleted piece of material I can find from the film barring the making of stargate CD-rom as the quality is very bad and unusable. There are a couple of small snippets missing here but nothing major this video pretty much covers almost all the footage but a few seconds.

This was for running time purposes not for quality purposes I have all the deleted material in DVD quality

Any thoughts?

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#1049431
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Guess I’ll wait for the double dip.

To clarify, I don’t really care about the deleted scenes that much, never have for any movie other than from a curiosity standpoint. It’s not like I’m going to go back six months later and watch four deleted scenes again. I’m going to wait for some proper special features like a good doc and/or commentary.

I have to agree even if there were not any deleted scenes if there was a documentary detailing the making of the film the loss of the composer the bringing Gilroy in charge of Final cut.

This would be just as interesting and a story unto itself. I don’t think there is anything to be ashamed of. Just interesting. It’s not like a train wreck film. It was good and I enjoyed it but it would be great to find out more about it.

The documentaries seem or sound pretty bland. Very little about actual production. Characters mainly by the sound of it. There could be bits in the documentaries but it sounds quite light.

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#1049370
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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DominicCobb said:

Again, it’s rare that any studio releases scenes that were reshot or nullified by a radically different cut. I think everyone should stop expecting this. If it happens, it won’t be until many years from now.

The trailers that advertised the film were practically made up of loads of alternative and deleted footage. So I think it’s a bit harsh not to show some of it. I think a lot of people were looking forward to this aspect as It was really interesting.

I’ll wait to see if a deluxe version appears. I’d like to buy the film but sorry this does not meet my expectations I want something better than this.

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#1049351
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Restoring Enter the Dragon original mono track
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Yeah and when in the Cave when Bruce get’s locked in that part with the sliding doors there is a bit of the music missing and the audio levels are wrong.

And also there is some deleted footage and music from the mirror maze.

And there is also an alternative cue for the ending before the helicopters arrive.

There is a dodgy music fade when Roper in the banqueting hall goes over and speaks to Bruce

I have done a remixed audio and sorted most / all of this out.

It’s got a lot of audio problems I have spent over a year working on it on and off footage and audio. I am basically finished with it almost now. Just some audio to finish up. Just taking a break from it.

There are sounds in the foreign versions i.e. the Hong Kong versions that are missing from the American or international versions. There was also sound that I distinctly remember from the UK TV cut that are missing but this was based off the mandarin sound mix I think.

Basically I have tried to reconstruct everything together to make the most complete version with deleted scenes and also alternate takes.

The amount of differences between the audio are huge between different versions. in terms of hits and moans and groans and sound fx foley work. missing sounds and some are cut short by accident.

I think the music for Williams vs the cops was just forgotten by accident as it was always in the Hong Kong versions of the films. And the music cues you described as missing from the mono mix are also missing in the Hong Kong versions.

There is questionable edits and missing footage from both the Hong Kong and International version which can be also put down to mistake in a few cases too.

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#1048367
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Like I said I’ll post it when I am done with just assembling all the footage as I still have shots to add. There is also going to be some extra shots added that are not deleted scenes or deleted scene recreations.

I have put a lot of thought into what I am trying to do. But I will be quite interested in what people will think when they see all the actual deleted footage. Like I said a lot of small snippets or extended sequences. Sci-fi, environment and action.

A decision I made today is that when Ra tortures the guard for not finding James Spader and Kurt Russell (after they escape) with the eye of Ra hand weapon, when he is done electrifying his brain I plan to make the dead guards pupils white as a side effect to the Eye of Ra weapon. I think it will be a subtle nice touch and also a bit of mild horror. It’s simple things like this I plan to do as sort of special effects or extra edits…

Perhaps it will be like a subtle hint as to why Ra’s eyes glow in anger or something as a warning to what will happen if you do not obey.

If you have any ideas let me know especially after I post the deleted material.

But I know I have my work cut out for me on this.

The reason I said either 5 or 8 minutes is because I might delete the abduction of Ra from the start but include the full uncut sequence when Daniel Jackson tells the story of Ra when reading the hieroglyphs with all the scenes and music… But I am undecided about this but I think it is perhaps a good way to handle it rather than see the same sequence twice.

This way the story is more mysterious. Tell me if it is a good call or not? More similar to the theatrical cut but different…

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#1048258
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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I have been a bit over zealous with the blue and I have taken it back a bit and let more yellow basically the warm sunlight back in just not a huge yellow tint across everything.

It’s already out of date now. Wait a bit I’ll get a bit more done on it this week. Until I add the deleted scenes at that point a decision will be made on exactly what it’s going to look like but what you are seeing in the clip I posted is a pretty decent representation although it will be a bit less cool and a little more warm on desert scenes. (I actually changed the video 4 times because I chose this part as a demo then realized I had not looked into it enough). I sorted out the problem with the guys over yellow cap / hat too.

Also bear in mind I can oly render it in 720p MP4 with compression whilst in free demo mode for the software so the render will improve come final also.

The interior scenes will all be graded cool like they were originally and also the night scenes will be cool blue like they were originally.

I have had a really busy week last week so I have done a small bit whilst being really tired but not on the edit so much. I have constructed a edit of the total deleted scenes and although it does feature some footage that is in the film. At a rough estimate the total amount of deleted footage comes to around just over 7 minutes. I will post it once I have completed this but it is only for time purposes as I wanted to quantify how much deleted material there was. I won’t be able to use all of it but I hope I will be able to use around 95% of it. I think you can probably expect an extra 8 minutes on top of the special edition version of Stargate which added about the same amount of time… Or I don’t know perhaps an extra 5 minutes in change still deciding things.

I want to push on and grade the whole film.

Promo Reel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MknjU_pxrHc

^ This one is blocked for me… But the link definitely works that I posted.

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#1047813
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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DominicCobb said:

Pink or red doesn’t really matter. They’re engines, the colors don’t mean anything.

Sorry I just find stuff like this interesting… It does not matter that much I just find it interesting when stuff comes out differently say wrong color due to perhaps a problem with film or something similar (Pink, white, Red)… It’s not a big deal just interesting. There is no upset from me about what color Ady wants to make the engines.

I always like to investigate things like this especially if it has lights involved…

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#1047804
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Actually without spamming posts although some shots the engines are pink, in some shots they are wight and some shots they are red.

So It’s got a serious problem at the top end which is likely seeing as it’s an old film. But It would be a investigation if someone wants to launch it.

But this film is all fluctuating hues it’s not far if you also have a hue shift what is also next along from red it’s pink!

I’ll remind you of the pink jumpsuits too. It’s worth an investigation probably not here but I think it is an interesting topic.

Interesting any raw images of the footage of engine lights from Star Wars?

And any images from either ESB or ROTJ of engine lights?

Perhaps as layers were added with Blue screen removal and keying out blue pink engine became red engine?

agreed not blue bleed doing anything like you say in ROTJ.

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#1047797
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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adywan said:

The X-wing engines were originally pink in ANH. The engine colour changed when it came to ESB & ROTJ, when they became red. But now, with Rogue One using the original colour for the engines, and the possibility of me doing an edit of R1 for personal viewing, it makes sense to have the engines the same colour throughout.

No issues with what you do and your decisions but I’ll remind you about the “Blue” star fields so how much bleed is coming in from contrast bleed to the image?

If you add blue to red you get pink… So I don’t know I think I’ll blame you for making them Red and making me believe they are “meant” to be red. But then also It is something that was hand painted on and would have been one of the last things added to the image so honestly I don’t know it might be worth assessing the blue star fields at some point and see if it is impacting the color of the engines?

You know more about this stuff than I do but is there any possibility the engines were meant to be red? I just thought it looked better aesthetically anyway…

Interesting though all the same. 😃

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#1047788
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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doubleofive said:

teharri said:

adywan said:

exitzero said:

You mentioned rolling back the Revisited Death Star Plans because of Rogue One. Just wondered if you plan on going back to the pink X-Wing engine glow too.

Yes, the engines are now pink.

Progress on the Wampa;

Started layering the fur onto the mask. A very time consuming task as this has to be done in small sections at a time. I’ll be gluing the fur onto the mask as much as possible and then hair punching the rest to blend in the edges to give a more natural look.

What made you decide to go back to the pink engines?

Rogue One having pink engines, without any excuse of film age or bad color balance. It’s purposeful and undeniable now.

Don’t follow their mistake ☺

Like the planet bespin though I seen a few photos of it like that brown or beige… But in the film it is a Blue planet like hoth and dagobah. Digging the planet color change.

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#1047143
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCLQRZmD1EE

After

https://vimeo.com/204321012

Sorry about different video speed but you can in this instance take your pick of a shot a see how it is differing. It does need a bit more work as a few shots have a bit of blue contrast bleed and I will rectify that. Like I said close to final not quite 100% yet.

I chose to use the promo reel as the dominant reference for this part as I believe the promo reel is the most accurate color reference for the film.

Promo Reel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3rbSkWvyhQ

It has very much been a case of too much red not enough blue as a rule throughout the film. But some shots particularly shots that feature special effects have needed separate color settings possibly as the special effects shots were probably filmed with different cameras or the computer / digital enhancement.

I have tried to really balance the brightness and contrast and saturation and working with sand and sky’s has been really interesting on how to tackle shots with sand and sky. It’s been a learning experience.

Quite a few shots are too bright whilst others are not bright enough so although one of the goals is to sort any contrast issues out in terms of colors bleeding into the image I also have to go back through and lift the contrast to bring back detail after I have removed some of these issues. But that won’t take too long.

Edit.
Noticed the caption “Giza 1928” popping in and out not sure why that is? Actually looks like DNR is making the Super or caption pop in and out it’s not anything I did it’s in the video source so I may have to replace that shot.

Another thing I just noticed… The scenes at the start are in the wrong order. It should have the caption “Gizah 1928” and then the shot of the car driving past the camels with the pyramids in the background. As it currently stands in the film the car drives past the camels and then we cut to the car approaching the camels going back in time… I don’t think this is one of those time travel scenes is it? 😃

I’ll write a change list for this section.

  1. Rearrange scenes in correct order at the start and replace shot from another source with caption “Giza 1928”
  2. Replace sound of modern car horn honking with old fashioned car horn honking
  3. Add extra shot of Stargate being lifted from Promo reel & Stargate only lifts in to upright position once
  4. Add extended pan in on Annubis Guard Fossil
  5. Further Color work.

That is probably all for this part.

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#1046372
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Well a quick update I have done color correction on all but the last 2 chapters of the film. I won’t say it is final yet but close and have done second pass on many parts that needed it in a hope I can go straight to final for the last 2 chapters… I am pleased with the results and really I want to make it look the best I can. But after I have corrected the final 2 chapters. The main concentration at this point will shift to the deleted material and integrating it into the timeline.

This could be fairly slow going but I am sure some shots will fall in quick and easily. It is the sheer amount of small snippets and extended sequences so it will be fairly time consuming I feel and may I also add a re-arranged timeline back in to a correct chronological order of events.

But I am also quite excited by the prospect of an edit that is felt throughout and spread throughout many of the films sequences hopefully providing a nice alternative and extended cut whilst trying to also restore the color to normal neutralizing the yellow tint totally and restoring some small snippets of missing audio.

Very little has changed about what I plan to do, I hope to give the film a slightly more mature or bit of a slightly darker tone whilst retaining the uplifting moments also unchanged. I hope to install a small amount of gore to it also but not anything too much.

Barring the final 2 chapters of the film if you want to see what any particular shot or small sequence currently looks like then I will happily post where I am at with it.

I have quite a busy week this week so I won’t be working on it too much. But I would be eager to start any sort of discussion at this time about what the film should look like… I’d like to know what anyone here thinks it should look like?

Basically this week is a good week for discussion on the original look of stargate if anyone is interested.

My sources for reference were.

Pioneer DVD (original theatrical)
Documentary “Making of Stargate” French DVD
Secrets of Stargate CD-rom
Stargate theatrical trailer
Stargate promo reel

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#1045708
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Neverar's 1080p Star Wars Color Correction
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NeverarGreat said:

The garage scene is just about finished. I decided to use the detail from the SE and the color from the '77 version for the Leia Hologram, in keeping with the stated goals of the project:
Hologram
Comparison

I think you are doing some nice work on this. And I like what you have.

I know you said it is final, and you can have your project however you want it I really don’t mind.

But have you ever considered dropping the bottom end or shadow value by about 10% - 15%.

The reason I am saying this is because I am looking at the green lights up the top of the frame and I wondered if it would bring out a better range. I think it looks very nice but I think you should step your brightness lower at shadows, slightly dipped in the mids and leave your tops exactly where they are. This would not work for outside scenes in the desert for instance.

But in scenes like this, in a darkened space or room you may need to compensate your brightness in terms of the environment.

I’ll let you decide but I really do like your result in terms of the color.

give it a try?

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#1044902
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Yeah I have the blu ray for it but it is still got issues. Some shots are going to be like you never seen it before just because a hand full of shots are way off.

I will probably replace the wormhole sequence with an updated version. So it will have some CGI actually. And fixes.

It is going to be good… I have a good feeling about it.

And I have wanted to do it for ages

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#1044783
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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I think it’s just nice to keep it all of a similar quality. Add all the extra missing sound add the extra footage where I can. Get the colors right or as close as I can. Mix sources where needed.

So far I am about 1 hour 10 minutes through a first Color pass after 3 days. If this had been Enter the Dragon which I put on hold for the moment although I could finish that in a day or 2 probably you could add 12 months on and off to that from start point on that film I love it but I am sick of it.

It is actually a sigh of relief to work on something that is not a complete nightmare. It’s a very gorgeous looking film too.

I am going to steer quite clear of adding any personal revisionist strokes but I might add a simple few things. I plan to replace the dodgy looking planet when the pyramid ship is leaving Abydos orbit. There will be a lot of revisionist edits but all we be done in good taste and nothing too radical. The deleted footage is radical enough. Re-arrangements and simple edits. No fancy CGI at all.

A few interesting discoveries I have made whilst making my way through the footage.

When they are in Nagada city at night and they look up again at the Eye of Ra gong thing it is the same shot as in the day shown previously and not at night.

When Kurt Russell is knocked un-concious when we cut to him out for the count he is lying on a sandy floor not the marble type floor in the pyramid hall chamber.

When one of the Guards shoots at Kurt Russell and James Spader escaping when rescued from outside the pyramid by the people of Abydos. One shot is of a Guard shooting inside the pyramid entrance hall which is meant to appear much later in the film. There also happens to be a deleted scene of the correct guard shooting outside the pyramid in the desert so how they got mixed up I don’t know?

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#1044723
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Ghostbusters Criterion PCM Track
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Double Feature DVD is the closest but I still don’t think it is right.

it has a turqouise / Blue to it.

I would say the double feature DVD was boosted up a bit but it carries the trait of the turqoise blue tint in some respects.

Basically buy the Book by Larry Milne and inside there are photos in the middle. I think they are accurate or pretty much correct and they look like they have been taken from a film print. They have that film quality to them.

I’d like to see it look like the photo’s in the book anyway.

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#1044624
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Highlander (1985) US theatrical cut, anyone?
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old DVD would be OG 2.0.

Immortal Edition is 5.1 in the UK we don’t get the OG 2.0 mix on that disc.

Blu Ray is missing “This is the quickening!” Jumping off the cliff as it is still the 5.1 mix that missed a few bits of audio. Not sure about the 4k remaster Blu ray?


American audio differences “I want to go home” and New york new york song I have never heard them only ever read about them. There could be more?


The 5.1 mix adds the whooshing sounds when immortals are near one another this was a revision that came with the immortal edition.

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#1044443
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Ok I a ploughing full steam ahead in to this.

I am using the French DVD as my main Video source.

I am trying to restore everything and anything I can to it. I’m just trying to do Color correction for the whole film at this time and recreate the original look or close to it.

It looks good. I’ll post a video clip soon probably without audio as I am not too concerned about this at the moment.

Pink at the top and yellow in the midtones eugh what a horrible choice of color tints that are being undone. I am using the deleted clips and old pioneer DVD as color references. The deleted clips are the best color reference. Somewhere there is a very nice looking version of Stargate. There will be another one soon…

The blue curtains are correct. Just the pink mid tones are not.

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