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#1075985
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Star Wars saga - Extra Extended Edition (1080p)
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The Probe droid extended footage this should answer your questions somewhat.

https://vimeo.com/156984006

The text refers to a scene with the gun tower alerting the base (missing). Use the comic book for reference. The edit was based on understanding what footage the music was written to go with. Note the footage is in a different order that should I add now makes sense.

The shots of Rogue 10 and 11 are also missing. I used a shot from the battle.

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#1075980
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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SilverWook said:

                                                                                  5-25-17

Dear Disney and Lucasfilm,

Today being the 40th anniversary of Star Wars, we just wanted to ask:

How and when will you release the original Star Wars trilogy in their original theatrical versions?

We would buy the heck out of those if only we could.

Yes or no?

Please don’t leave us hanging.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
The staff and members of Originaltrilogy.com

I did a quick edit based on “how” and “when” because we know “what” and we don’t want to know about “if” and “who” is them.

“Where” is obviously they have it.

But I like all the short versions

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#1074793
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I would accept a hybrid or revamped SE with some changes rolled back even.

But you might be right 2011 is probably classed as final cut. But the 97 version looked decent so I would hope it looked like the 97 version rather than 2004 or 2011.

But anyway this is not something any of us can have any say in.

Original film long overdue a release.

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#1074492
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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Fang zei I think you are right about incentive to buy again on UHD 4K HDR whatever it will be…

I think your short version SilverWook is outstanding love the Brazil reference.

JawsTDS is right about removing emotional involvement but I can imagine even in the coldest executive boardroom concerning any movie it is hard to remove emotion from how you feel about a film.

The bottom line is it is something important that needs to be done, it is now a matter of how and when not so much if.

BTW Fang my spell check calls you Fang Zeitgeist

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#1074269
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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There could be genuine fear of a screw up that is all I am saying and it’s better to leave alone that is the vibe I get when in reality it would be better to try than to do nothing.

and you also need Mr.Lucus consent also.

In fact nothing will happen without his consent.

Although the term restoration is chucked about is it also a reconstruction?

I have a feeling a restoration was going ahead and it was pulled for some reason… What might the reason be?

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#1074260
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Without trying to offer up any sympathy for Lucusfilm or Fox and obviously The aim and the ongoing petition is to get the original films released.

Is there perhaps a sense that even if they had to use multiple sources to actually restore the film and combine them it still would be almost like a slightly different version than a Original Master Negative.

I think what I am trying to say is, should there be a thought of consideration for what is being asked and perhaps an admission that if it is a very difficult task that at least an attempt at a restoration is better than nothing. even if it is not 100% accurate.

I know that might sound a bit weird but is anyone totally sure that they have all the original negatives and materials and so on?

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#1074046
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For fans of Conan The Barbarian 1982
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ok cool I just could not bring myself to watch the remake or reboot I felt the original would just never be beaten.

I bought the region 1 dvd’s of the theatrical and special edition in the UK it is cut for the horse falls. But I am also really interested in the battle of the mounds deleted footage and the snake pit deleted scenes and king Osric’s death.

I would love to be able to do something with it one day. on those 3 points really.

Never read the all the books actually I did read the first book only.

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#1074030
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I think really it boils down to neither we grew up with (which I think is more precise) than that started it all.

I honestly think the best language is “something unforgettable that we remember.”

I think this is far more clear and precise and to the point. But I don’t mean to be rude or critical I just think something along those lines would explain it better and it is very simple.

That should be a simple strong sentence no more.

“Today is the 40th Anniversary of Star Wars something unforgettable we remember” (next Paragrapgh)

Scrub 2nd paragraph (delete) go straight on with 3rd paragraph talking about memories.

Then leave the rest as is.

That’s my take

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#1073361
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highalander complete franchise : (RECANNON!)
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I thought about doing this but only mixing Highlander and Highlander 3 and endgame flashback with Heather and Connor’s mum being burnt at the stake for being a witch.

Sort of like an extended edition of the original film. But ultimately I decided I did not think it would work or would be very difficult to make it work.

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#1073332
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Brilliant!

It will be a lot of fun and all sorts of cool I’m sure.

There might be no going back to the SE after this… Actually that is what I hope for.

https://youtu.be/lN1RToUAOQg
I had a spark of inspiration the other day last week in the trailer above at 1.39 it is a shot going through a cave tunnel. My thoughts were it could pass for speeding through the space slug in cockpit POV. It is not a suggestion but it was the key or solution I felt to put the space slug sequence in the correct order as per the script then this would be placed on “the cave is collapsing” as Leia footage is missing.

Just a thought but it was like once I saw that short shot I felt I solved the problem with that bit.

Here is the scene in the script order (music works better too I think) . you will understand what i mean with the shot in the trailer when you watch the different order.

https://vimeo.com/138282638

Original scene order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtlcSR9A6M

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#1056955
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
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NeverarGreat said:

Handman said:

Wouldn’t these frames also look somewhat different when projected, accounting for the warmth of the bulb etc.? Can you really just look at the frames themselves?

There are conflicting reports on the temperatures of these lamps:

correlated color temperature of a white flame carbon arc lamp is 5800K

Xenon arc lamps are approximately 5400K

Which doesn’t make sense since Xenons are supposed to be bluer than the carbon arc lamps.

Here, David Mullen says this about it:
“They (Carbon Arc and Xenon projectors) should be similar (daylight-balanced, like around 5500K) but Xenons are slightly bluer I think. But since carbon arc projection is extremely rare these days, most people color-time for Xenon lamp projection. It’s a bit of an issue when projecting old Technicolor dye transfer prints with modern Xenon lamps since the print looks slightly cooler than it used to, since it was timed for carbon arc projection.”

Also mentioned somewhere is the fact that carbon arc light was notoriously inconsistent since the ends of the carbon would burn at a variable rate.

Here’s a source that gives strangely low numbers, but at least it shows that the carbon arc lamp is yellower: http://inspectapedia.com/electric/Bulb_Color_Temperatures.php
Projector bulbs, carbon arc (traditional movie) 3,900K
Xenon arclamps 4,100K
This image shows just how similar the lights are, if the 200K difference can be believed:
Lights
The difference is even less than the difference between two of those panels.

So to answer your question, it appears that you would need to adjust the color of technicolor film about 200K yellower to counteract the grading for carbon arc lamps.

The Brightness of the bulb has very little to do with how the film should look more to do with how far you need to project an image through the air. The Bigger the cinema and a larger sized screen the brighter the bulb you would need. If you were in a small pokey cinema you might have a a less bright bulb but end up with a better brighter image than a very large cinema.

Think about distance and size of projected image vs the brightness of the bulb. but projected images will never look the same as anything on a TV screen ever, because projected images pass through air via light and TV screens display straight on to the display surface without any or very little atmospheric interference.

The temperature would be relative to how far the throw is of the projected image vs the temperature of the lamp before it hits the screen material (drop off) which is either reflective (slight gain) or permeable (greater loss).

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#1054611
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The Good The Bad & The Ugly - 35MM IB Tech Preservation!
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TheHutt said:

The Italian cut did have an English sound mix but it was lost?

No. That’s basically a wrong assumption of how these films were made.

They were filmed without sound recording on set, as the films were later entirely dubbed in each of the languages they were released in. For the longer Italian version, the Italian dub was recorded in Italy. For the (shorter) US version, the English dub was recorded in the USA. During filming, every actor spoke his native language.

There never was an English mix for the scenes from the Italian cut in the first place. The actors had their notes on what they spoke when they played their scenes (and as Clint Eastwood pointed out in an interview, he always kept his notes as he feared the Italians might lose them - and they surely did).

Ah okay I understand a bit better now. I have not watched the new version on Blu-ray but some scenes the actors speak Italian in others the actors speak English. Now I really understand the need for the US / International cut. As some scenes use alternate takes in Italian cut vs US cut or at least that is what I read. So you might for instance have English language dubbed over an Italian version piece of footage and it does not match the lips.

Interesting points on lip synch after watching a few clips too. I imagine to do with the English dub put to the Italian cut. great film I will go and fish out my old DVD tonight.

Edit
Re-buying the old DVD just now that I sold.

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#1054558
Topic
The Good The Bad & The Ugly - 35MM IB Tech Preservation!
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I was hoping that some lost sound mix elements were found from this restoration.

The Italian cut did have an English sound mix but it was lost?

Anyway good work on getting this out officially. The thought that springs to mind for me is making a better dub with better new technology. That voice reproduction or mimicking software.

Sounds like decisions have been made already though.

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#1054542
Topic
The Good The Bad & The Ugly - 35MM IB Tech Preservation!
Time

Interesting…

This should be added to the extended cut really though?

https://vimeo.com/169015668

I think it’s obviously a mistake or silly chop that this footage has been left out. Seems to be a bit strict in slightly extending the extended cut. As it was never a directors cut anyway.

But also this…

4K transfer of the Extended Cut
Newly Restored 2.0 Mono Audio

No more dubbing?

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#1054525
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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SilverWook said:

Do most blu ray players have the ability to “zoom” non anamorphic discs these days? I know Panasonic models do.

will automatically zoom correctly flagged non-anamorphic DVDs. However, it will not zoom non-anamorphic DVDs that aren’t flagged as such.

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#1054522
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Hey look, you can get the 6-Disc DVD set that includes the GOUT from Amazon for only $310…and free Prime shipping!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=dra_a_ms_mr_hn_xx_P1400_1000?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=3bc20f423c91737175e22556e17a66d5_S

Funny I was just watching my GOUT DVD of ESB today. If theyre really going for those prices these days maybe I’ll start critcizing them less.

It’s a bad joke that it has come to this… It needs sorting out if anything release a Remastered DVD and wait for the 4K UHD punch up bell to ring or a knockout either way. That fight very close to finishing.

I got mine for about £15.00 about 3 years ago.

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#1054518
Topic
Sorcerer - William Friedkin 1977 vs Wages of Fear - European theatrical release. Discussion
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djsmokingjam said:

A matted 16mm print is currently up for sale on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SORCERER-16mm-Print-RARE-CULT-Film-1977-William-Friedkin-Roy-Scheider-UNCUT-/252794678051?hash=item3adbbcab23:g:k28AAOSw2gxYuBVe

So did you buy it?

quite a good price!

still looking forward to your comparison when you get the chance. Obviously this would have the original subtitle fonts too.

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