PDB

clutchins said:

If you're still interested in creating an isolated score, check out the Esper Retirement Edition. It has a complete score rip, although I haven't checked all the tracks for quality/cleanliness. From what I listened to it's pretty high quality and it's also in .ape format.

 Thank you sir

Does anyone have any subs they want added to this? I have the Eng, Spanish and French.

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB said:

No worries, no fears, the theatrical cut is still in play. I'm not going to do the extended cut but I still thought it best to start at the longest cut and work down. Cutting the TV cut down to the theatrical is a trivial thing, so a theatrical cut will happen; just after the TV

Would you like the Japan DVD DTS audio for the Theatrical release?

 I'm good for right now Jetrell. I put Aliens on pause for now to finish other projects.

kaosjm said:

Heads up! I'll be seeing ALIENS on August 1 in 70mm! Anything I should pay attention for? I'm happy to help when possible.

 Luckily bastard! And in 70mm no less!

Well since you ask I have a ton of questions about the look of Aliens (a favorite). I suspect the true look of Aliens is closer to the new color of the BD then the old DVD and HD master. So personally I would love to know if it looks like the BD and/or looks like this:

Aliens 8mm

Aliens 35mm

so less purple, violet, light blue, neon looking of the DVD/old HD vs the more colorful, green, dark blue, yellow (especially skin tones earlier on LV-426) of the BD/35mm/8mm. You can see a ton of examples in this thread of different transfer looks.

Also wondering how dark/contrasty it looks, as I suspect the release prints are much darker, fitting the mood.

Some more specific details: are the walls in gateway station pure white or white with a shade of blue or red? In the inquiry conference room are the walls reddish, blueish or green? Is the hive scene (when the marines first enter) dark blue or green (the highlights)? When Ripley is in the hive and meets the queen is the smoke pure white or have a tint?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Alien-Aliens-Color-Regrade/topic/17002/page/7/

The big scene I would love to know about is the first shot of the facehugger in the specimen jars.

Again, its different in every transfer I've seen. Purple in some, pink in others, light blue, gray, dark brown-ish (like above)

I know that's a lot but it would answer a lot of questions I have. If you can't or don't want to answer all those and just want to watch a great film, no problem.

Thanks kaosjm

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dark_jedi said:

PDB said:

captainsolo said:

Anyone with the Jaws signature LD...how's it sound overall? I think it's the basis for the 30th DVD mono and BD mono. To best preserve the track we could use this and re-sync to the BD. The DTS version only has a spot or two of distortion but should have been lossless.

I also have the 1992 WS rescored version which other than the beach scene with replaced music sound mostly identical though it does feel far more robust in places somewhat akin to the 1985 home video SW mix. The "smile..you" line may have slight more clarity on the "bitch" than the mono but I could be hearing things.

 Hey captainsolo you may want to look on fanres concerning the signature ld soundtrack 

So non members can't get the answer here?

 Well, captainsolo asked and he is a member there so it seemed a simple answer.

 But since you asked, the sig LD track sounds very similar to the BDs mono track just with the add dynamics of lossless. I've never heard the 92.

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captainsolo said:

Anyone with the Jaws signature LD...how's it sound overall? I think it's the basis for the 30th DVD mono and BD mono. To best preserve the track we could use this and re-sync to the BD. The DTS version only has a spot or two of distortion but should have been lossless.

I also have the 1992 WS rescored version which other than the beach scene with replaced music sound mostly identical though it does feel far more robust in places somewhat akin to the 1985 home video SW mix. The "smile..you" line may have slight more clarity on the "bitch" than the mono but I could be hearing things.

 Hey captainsolo you may want to look on fanres concerning the signature ld soundtrack 

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Still more intereting.

Here is the shot that Tservo's is talking about from the S&E review

Which makes the trailer look like it wasn't color timed for that shot, which is entirely possible. Other shots like the high five, T-1000 chasing John and the steel mill look pretty close to the trailer.

The purple is just odd, was it purple or purple-ish on the 35mm prints or was that a transfer issue to video and its meant to be blue. I would say blue but that's memory of all the home video versions and the 8mm has purple...

I doubt the colors from the trailer are dead on with a 35mm prints but it does add more clues. I would think the purple is all wrong but the 8mm has a lot in the mall scene. Its very interesting.

Agreed with everyone, get better soon poita

I was watching the T2 trailer on youtube and parts of it match the 8mm and people's description of the 35mm.

Lots of purples (like the 8mm), lots of greens in daylight shots (LA and Mexico) and yellow for flames.

poita said:

Usually the 35mm blowup from a 16mm neg will still have more detail than a 16mm print made from the same neg, so the 35 would probably give better results.

 Interesting, didn't know that. Kind of like 70mm blow-ups from 35s?

Beber said:

TServo2049 said:

With T2, I'm not so sure what's right. Beber and kaosjm describe one look, which lines up with those 8mm screenshots. But TylerDurden389 says he saw another print that still had the "blue blanket" over the night scenes that we're all used to.

 Here's another Cameron messing with our heads: The Abyss.

Chinese DVD: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/356010TheAbyssChineseDVD.jpg

Old so called HDTV: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/389768TheAbyssoldHDTV.jpg

Remastered: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/870718TheAbyssremastered.jpg

So, blue or pink?

Chinese DVD: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/279904AbyssChineseDVD.jpg

Old so called HDTV:http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/324791AbyssoldHDTV.jpg

Remastered: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/885243Abyssremastered.jpg

So, light or dark?

 There are some more comparisons in the Abyss thread

TServo2049 said:

Thanks for the observations, PDB.

I still would say the BD has flaws - for example, the ending scene has the sky looking greenish. I don't care how much teal or green was in 80s prints, from the prints of other movies I've seen, clear daytime skies still didn't have the same color as styrofoam packing peanuts.

I'd love to see a regrade of the BD trying to approximate the German DVD colors, and keep the BD color scheme but take away the brightness/contrast/balance/tint issues that give it that modern revisionist look.

 Agreed, the BD is not perfect but I think the German points to the fact they were going after theatrical colors not just making it up as they went along.

Sounds like an interesting project.

dvdmike said:

dark_jedi said:

So I assume you guys did not like how our T2 looked colorwise?

 What makes you say that? Yours looks great but you were hampered by the source 

PDBsaid:

Well TServo was nice enough to give me a copy of the German Terminator DVD. I just skimmed through so I didn't get to do a full analysis. The master is definitely poor and has a fuzzy, weak picture with dirt and derbies. It is also darker/contrast-er and looks like a release print would. Like Servo said it does have an old HK transfer look to it.

Having said that the colors are very interesting. Very interesting because of how close they match the remastered Terminator Blu-ray. Both have a green tone over the course of most of the movie and both lose it in what seems to be the same places. Its far from perfect but it is far closer in colors then the previous BD or DVDs to the BD. It definitely tonally matches the remastered BD.

I think Servo has already covered most of this but to me this points towards the remastered BD maybe having the right colors and the old BD and DVD video masters being wrong. It would be an odd coincidence for these two to look so similar. I beginning to think that the "new" colors for Terminator and Aliens are right or at least closer to the original theatrical release.

Thanks Servo for the copy

 The issue is not the teal in T1 is the piss poor way it was done digitally 

 Actually that was the issue. Most people still think the new BD is wrong and the new colors are revisionist. Evidence seems to point to the fact the BD might be closer to a theatrical print then the old BD, regardless of how close they got to the target. I 'm not arguing how well they did it just why they did it. I just want an accurate to theatrical print BD.

As with both we won't know until we get prints of both T1 and T2

And Edit: DJ your T2 looked great, its my default version but those are colors we know from years of home video, we are just trying to find out if that's how it looked in the theaters.

Well TServo was nice enough to give me a copy of the German Terminator DVD. I just skimmed through so I didn't get to do a full analysis. The master is definitely poor and has a fuzzy, weak picture with dirt and derbies. It is also darker/contrast-er and looks like a release print would. Like Servo said it does have an old HK transfer look to it.

Having said that the colors are very interesting. Very interesting because of how close they match the remastered Terminator Blu-ray. Both have a green tone over the course of most of the movie and both lose it in what seems to be the same places. Its far from perfect but it is far closer in colors then the previous BD or DVDs to the BD. It definitely tonally matches the remastered BD.

I think Servo has already covered most of this but to me this points towards the remastered BD maybe having the right colors and the old BD and DVD video masters being wrong. It would be an odd coincidence for these two to look so similar. I beginning to think that the "new" colors for Terminator and Aliens are right or at least closer to the original theatrical release.

Thanks Servo for the copy

Well thanks again for the write-up kaosjm. That really helped solved some long standing question.

Thanks for the write up. Can't wait to see your pics. Interesting to see the ld was most right. Did the ending bed scene look more white, blue or green like the bluray?

kaosjm said:

Post 17 looks exactly like what I saw today.

Beber: Your screenshot looks exactly what I saw on the 35mm print today when Sarah and John were climbing in the steel factory. This was shown at the S. Lamar location Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, Texas. It was awesome to see!

The film had a noticeable teal tint to it throughout. I took some notes to compare to the home format editions so I will do some viewings and report back.

 Awesome!

Thanks for the write up kaosjm. Between you and beber I think we can now say that T2's colors on video have been wrong. When there is a new scan and the colors are different from the way it has been on video all these years, we have to remember this thread. That or get a 35mm print and scan it.

I'm pretty positive I once had this in full DVD resolution. I'm remember burning the iso back in the day. Sadly, I dumped it too when the official DVD came out. Wish I hadn't.

Nice! That looks like it covers everything

Beber said:

I saw it in 35 mm last september and I can confirm you, PDB, that the 8 mm pics are a lot more closer to the 35 mm than the Blu-ray or any DVD prior to it. I will see it again on June 30th, but don't know yet if it will be in 35 mm or DCP.

 Sweet, thanks Berber

This could be an amazing resource, beside the Star Wars films they have 16mm copies of (including what others have mentioned):

Indy films

Close Encounters 

Ghostbusters

2001

Star Trek 2

ET

Independence Day (eh)

War games

Edward Scissorhands

Shrek

Fantastic Voyage

Explorers

Short Circuit 

Forbidden planet

Planet of the apes

Princess Bride

Dracula

North By Northwest

The Birds

39 Steps

And that's just from a few minutes of searching

Great to hear, it's a favorite of mine also