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#1091812
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Lord Tobias said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

Better than palpatine 2.0

It is Palpatine 2.0, manipulating literally everyone around him in the most convoluted way.

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#1091801
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

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#1091249
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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Are there more lines, where he presumably talks like Yoda? Because “lives he still” doesn’t strike me as particularly Yoda-esque. It sounds more like fancy Shakespeare English to me and that’s something totally expected of the Emperor.
Also, “This Yoda” doesn’t sound as if he knew him. Like, “this Yoda you speak of”. As if he isn’t quite sure if Yoda is real.

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#1090846
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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yhwx said:

I would like to state for the record that I do not appreciate how discussion of trailers and other official material is allowed in non-spoiler threads. If you’re trying to avoid spoilers, like me, you’re probably also trying to avoid trailers. I think the stance that official material can not count as spoilers is ridiculous. Trailers and previews are deliberately designed to reveal things about the movie they are trailering or previewing. Therefore, they are spoilers in the same way, say, leaks from the set are spoilers. If you’re trying to accomplish a full media blackout, now you can’t read the spoiler thread or the non-spoiler thread.

😕

Yeah,but what would people discuss in the non-spoiler thread if trailers and posters are considered spoilers? Would they just write how excited they are for the movie over and over again?

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#1089397
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How do you post images on here?
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It seems to me that the X to cose the image simply doesn’t appear, although it’s there.

Here’s what I see when I open yhwx’s image. There is no button visible.

However, when I move my cursor to the top right corner, it changes its shape and when I click there, it closes the image and takes me back to the thread.

Firefox 54.0.1
Windows 8.1

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#1088616
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Last movie seen
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Is there a reason for the changing aspect ratio? I get the idea behind it in Grand Budapest Hotel and I can see the technical reasons for it in movies with Imax scenes, but this is just a stupid Transformers movie. I saw a sign at my cinema informing viewers that the changing aspect ratio is intended by the director and not a malfunction. This should indicate how the target audience of a Transformers movie thinks about changing aspect ratios.

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#1086680
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Reasons why TFA and RO are the same movie.
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For Density:

1 - After opening up to credits and some scenes where someone gets shot and dies, we eventually cut to the male lead/love interest of the movie learning about the plot of the conflict and special person they to find from someone who’s supposed to die, leading to him finding and recruiting the female main lead of the movie, who’s somehow related to the conflict, into this whole debacle.

“Someone is shot in the beginning of the movie, then we meet one of the main characters and some expository dialogue, then this character meets another main character, who has something to do with the plot.”

An absolutely blank description that fits a hundred movies. Should they start the movie without any exposition at all? Should our main characters be completely detached from the plot?

2 - Female main character who’s an orphan and grows up in a harsh lifestyle that makes them seem like they’re a loner when in fact they got a heart, and who doesn’t initially want to be involved with the situation of the galaxy.

This is actually a similarity.

3 - Includes flashbacks which show the main female lead being separated from her family as a young child.

How the flashbacks are handled in the movies is completely different. RO has actual flashbacks, while in TFA it is a vision of past events.

4 - Male lead/love interest is part of a paramilitary organization and purposefully lies to the female main character, only to later unveils their lie near the end of the 2nd act, and who has been trained to fight since childhood.

Two movies that are about wars in space have both a character who is a fighter? Shocking. And they also tell a lie? Wow, that never happened before.

5 - There’s a scene in the first act where the female lead appears to be in immediate danger, so the male lead tries to step in to help, but stops and watch like an idiot as the female lead beat up the grunts, showing she’s supposed to be good with a melee weapon.

That’s a common way to establish that a character is able to defend themself.

6 - Two male characters (one of which has been credited as everyone’s favorite character) who seem to be best buddies and are the subjects of god awful shipfics.

I covered this already, but again: “The movie has two male character, who are friends.” That’s even more vague than the first point.

7 - There’s a tentacle monster in the first act which has no relevance and impact to the rest of the movie whatsoever.

While I’m not a fan of either of the monsters, you have to admit that they are very different from each other and serve completely different purposes.

8 - There’s a connection between the female and male leads, which seems to hint at a romance near the end, but doesn’t really bloom into anything other than a camaraderie.

Because every movie with a male and female character has to end in a romance?

9 - There’s an droid character who provides most of the movie’s humor, which can include electrocuting and/or hitting the male lead.

Wow, funny droids in Star Wars, I have never heard of that.

10 - The movie tries to harken back to the original trilogy by including tons of fan service, with recognizable characters and places that are almost identical to those places in the OT, so much to the point it’s more up in your face than being endearing.

We already have three Star Wars movies that were visually distached from the OT. I’d rather have too much “fan service” than no visual connections to the originals at all.

11 - The designs of some of the Imperials troopers are more variants of the typical OT Stormtrooper, with different color schemes and helmet changes, as opposed to the overall departure of the prototypes in the PT.

Both movies take place closer to the OT than the PT, so why should they rather have PT designs?

12 - In the first act, the pilot of the movie’s ship tries ridiculous ways of entering hyperspace, without carefully calculating their trajectory or ensuring that they have a safe way out.

I don’t even know what you’re talking about here. Could you be more specific or would that reveal how little the scenes actually have in common?

13 - First half of the movie puts emphasis on finding this one dude who may change the entire fate of the galaxy, then sets up the next half for infiltrating the villain’s stronghold while the movie’s main villain is inside, at first completely unaware of the heroes’ presences.

Different circumstances, in TFA they try to find Luke, then Rey gets captured, so they go to Starkiller Base to free her and then continue the search. In RO, they try to find Saw and they succeed, then they go to the archive because they need the plans.

14 - There’s this evil Sith dude in a black mask with a cool red lightsaber, who has this one awesome scene in the entire film, but what they do in the rest of the movie doesn’t seem to match that.

Wow, a Sith with a red lightsaber, that certainly only happened in RO and TFA.

15 - By the halfway point of the movie, there’s a short battle, in which our heroes being separated and doing their own things, until X-Wings come in to eliminate the Imperial forces and bring our heroes straight to the rebel base.

“There are battles in both movies and our heroes don’t stay together for the whole time, but they eventually meet again.”

Also, you need to be more vague, here. Technically, the Resistance are not rebels. You should have used something more bland, like “good guy’s base”. Hey, I just found another similarity, there are good guys and bad guys in both movies, I think you overlooked that one.

16 - Final act consists of main heroes and a small task force sneaking into and around baddies’ base, which includes lowering the shields for our rebels to come in for assistance and deliver some damage to the baddies’ base.

Wow, so “infiltrating the villain’s stronghold while the movie’s main villain is inside, at first completely unaware of the heroes’ presences” includes sneaking around and disabling the base’s defences? Who would have thought…

17 - Both the female lead and male lead/love interest immediately come into a confrontation with the main villain, which has the male lead/love interest getting injured by the main villain while trying to help the female main lead overcome the main villain.

“The main characters confront the villain and one of them gets injured” This is truly unique to these two movies.

18 - This is the only time in the SW films where a Sith dude in a mask has ever used his red lightsaber to kill side characters, who have never really appeared in any SW medium before this point and whom we actually feel sorry for.

You have to specify “in a mask” here in order to not include Dooku or Palpatine or Anakin here. So what you’re really saying is, “there are two Siths with masks” and we had that point already. Also, you have to specify “who have never really appeared in any SW medium before this point” to not include OT Vader. So you’re just being vague enough to make a connection but specific enough not to include all these other examples that would ruin your narrative.

19 - Though the movie’s final battle may have been won, it comes with great costs to our heroes, and it is only the beginning, as the movie ends on a cliffhanger.

Yeah, a final battle being won with no effort at all would make for a really engaging movie. Also, a movie planned as the first part of a trilogy and a movie directly leading into another movie both end on cliffhangers. Very surprising.


If you’re only vague enough and ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative, you can make almost any two movies look similar. And when you pick two movies from the same franchise, you can make them look almost the same. All these points only prove how much time you put into it and how creatively you can describe these things. If you say “RO is the same movie as TFA”, you also have to say “ROTJ is the same movie as Star Wars”, or even “all Star Wars movies are the same”.


Just for fun, here’s how Harry Potter is the same as Star Wars:

  1. The main character, whose parents were killed by the villain, lives with his aunt and uncle.
  2. The main character seems to be a nobody, but it turns out that his parents were important.
  3. The main character has to work a lot and isn’t particularly happy.
  4. A man with a beard reveals to the main character that he has magical powers.
  5. The main character gets invited to go away and learn more about these powers, but his aunt and uncle don’t like this idea.
  6. Aunt and uncle are forced to let him go.
  7. The main character and the bearded man, who revealed the secret, go to a bar full of weirdos and later to a market.
  8. The main character meets the male support character, who is accompanied by a furry creature.
  9. The male support tries to impress the main character with empty words.
  10. They travel.
  11. There is expository dialogue! OMG!
  12. Main character and support meet the female support, who is a bossy know-it-all, and there is some initial tension, but they will all become friends in the end.
  13. A means to traverse a horizontal/vertical gap doesn’t work the way our characters want to and this gets them into trouble.
  14. In the end, the main character fights against the villain and has help from his friends and his new magical abilities.
  15. The main character is naturally gifted at flying, just like his father, and this also helps him to defeat the villain.
  16. The main character defeats the villain by using a weakness that the villain didn’t know about.
  17. The main henchman gets killed, the villain can barely escape.
  18. There is a big party in the end where the main and support characters are honored.

Bonus points:

  1. The mentor is an old wizard, who was friends with the main character’s parents.
  2. There is a mean guy in a black cloak.
  3. A tentacle monster grabs the main character.

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#1086403
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Reasons why TFA and RO are the same movie.
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Wannabe Scholar said:

6 - Two male characters (one of which has been credited as everyone’s favorite character) who seem to be best buddies and are the subjects of god awful shipfics.

Wow, this proves that TFA, RO, the whole OT and PT, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Breaking Bad and hundreds of other movies and TV shows with two male characters are basically all exactly the same. Thank you for opening my eyes.

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#1085752
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Rogue One differences from Theatrical Cut?
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The thing is that the lightsaber is actually important and the flag is not. It makes sense that Maz was looking for the lightsaber and actively tried to get it. It doesn’t make sense that she purchased Anakin’s old podracing flag; and it being there by pure chance seems to be too much of a coincidence.

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#1080709
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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You can thank Mala and Alderaa for that. They traveled back in time and told George that the Death Star already prepared to fire in Star Wars, having it also prepare to fire in Jedi would be a total rehash and ruin the whole franchise.

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#1080708
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Alderaan said:

Mark Hamill not a fan of the Disney Star Wars movies. Doesn’t like the direction they are going in at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0IR6fJlV0

TavorX said:

That’s some mighty fine editing there to fit a narrative.

https://youtu.be/Xw0IR6fJlV0?t=54s

“When I read 8, I told Rian, ‘I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you decided about my character.’” CUT

https://youtu.be/It_olylT42I?t=2m4s

“[cont] But might be a good sign! Because I was really wrong about 7. I said, When I turn around, audiences will hoot holler, ‘that’s an obvious cheat!’ I didn’t foresee John William’s incredible music and the shots of Daisy; the buildup to it all. So, I was never happier to be wrong.”

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#1080469
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Am I a hipster?
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I actually am a chemistry hipster. I even burned my hand because I touched the reaction flask before it was cool.

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