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Frank your Majesty

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#1149732
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Valheru_84 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

As the article and the part that I quoted say, the exit polls are adjusted to better represent the complete audience, while RT scores and Youtube upvotes come from a very specific group of mostly young males, so they are not representative of the whole audience.

Do you have stats to back that up? (mostly young males?). It seems funny that people are claiming TLJ is riddled with a feminism agenda driven by Kathleen Kennedy and now RT and YouTube scores are mostly from young males?

Literally the first thing that shows up on google:

https://digiday.com/media/demographics-youtube-5-charts/

“YouTube is still fairly male dominated. Men spend 44 percent more time on the site per month, and of 51 categories of YouTube content measured by OpenSlate, men make up the majority of viewers in 90 percent of them.”

“Beyond gender, YouTube has an age divide. Now a decade old, it is mainstream enough to have a broad demographic reach. Even the olds watch video, although not to the degree of millennials.”

Also:

https://fortunelords.com/youtube-statistics/

  • Female users are 38% and male users are 62%

  • User Percentage by Age:
    18-24 – 11%
    25-34 – 23%
    35-44 – 26%
    45-54 – 16%
    50-64 – 8%
    65+ – 3%
    unknown age – 14%

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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Valheru_84 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

I’m referring specifically to the exit polls, as you might have seen by me quoting them.

Ok, so you do. But the entire article is based on calling into question the legitimacy of RTs audience score which I assumed was the point you were trying to remind everyone about. Sorry if I assumed wrongly.

Frank your Majesty said:
Like upvots on a Youtube review of a movie, reviews on RT are only written by people who have very strong feelings about the movie, being it either very positive or very negative.

What is wrong with this and how does it invalidate the RT score? And are all movie goers forced to take exit polls? Also these results can similarly be called into question since they only capture the immediate reaction. My immediate reaction was of disappointment and conflicted feelings but overall I would have said the movie was “ok” and maybe given it 2.5/5 stars. Upon reflection days later, I found that I hate the movie and would give it 0.5/5 at most for at least getting the aesthetic and sound of SW right and I’m not going to watch IX or Solo at the cinemas. This is a marked difference. I’m not going to base whether I see the future movies on how I felt straight after (the point of exit polls) but how I end up feeling in the long run. So the exit poll is flawed as well.

As the article and the part that I quoted say, the exit polls are adjusted to better represent the complete audience, while RT scores and Youtube upvotes come from a very specific group of mostly young males, so they are not representative of the whole audience.

Of course the exit poll isn’t 100% accurate, but there are different levels of reliability and the exit polls are definitly higher up than RT or YT. I don’t want to get too political in here, but it’s like saying all media is biased, so CNN and Breitbart are equally (un)trustworthy, completely ignoring that one outlet is much more biased than the other.

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chyron8472 said:

Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

joefavs said:

This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

You do realize that not everyone checks the forums all day everyday, and that when you click on a thread it takes you to your earliest unread post, right?

So people reading through what they’ve missed so far might have input on something somebody said. It’s not unreasonable.

Yes, let’s just revive all the crap that has been resolved days ago, just because some people can’t first read through a thread and then post. This kind of redundancy is the reason why there are so many new pages every day in the first place.

But he was replying to something from only 7 hours prior, not days. With that logic no one can post in the morning, go to work, and reply after work to a conversation they missed.

If it’s only seven hours, there’s also less new posts to catch up on, right? And if a mod already stepped in, there is no need to further defend oneself. All it does is revive the argument.

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#1149692
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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chyron8472 said:

joefavs said:

This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

You do realize that not everyone checks the forums all day everyday, and that when you click on a thread it takes you to your earliest unread post, right?

So people reading through what they’ve missed so far might have input on something somebody said. It’s not unreasonable.

Yes, let’s just revive all the crap that has been resolved days ago, just because some people can’t first read through a thread and then post. This kind of redundancy is the reason why there are so many new pages every day in the first place.

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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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I’m referring specifically to the exit polls, as you might have seen by me quoting them. Like upvots on a Youtube review of a movie, reviews on RT are only written by people who have very strong feelings about the movie, being it either very positive or very negative.

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#1149633
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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It has been posted before, but it seems it needs to be posted again:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

From that article:

“Because there’s a company called comScore that provides exit poll surveys that, while it is an opt in survey, is one that adjusts to reflect the movie going population. […] comScore surveys almost a thousand audience members in 20 markets immediately after they view the film, including The Last Jedi. […] this data shows the audience liked The Last Jedi a great deal. Rating a movie as either “excellent” or “very good” tends to be the key metric in most Hollywood evaluation of content, both in testing and in exit polls. Anything over a score of 80 in the “top two boxes” is concerned a great score, and The Last Jedi has a top two box score of 89.”

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#1149617
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Could they have <em>REDACTED</em> make a <em>REDACTED</em> based on <em>REDACTED</em>??? - <strong><strong>Minor TLJ Spoiler</strong></strong>
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Minor Spoiler

I think he’s not talking about the chance of finding an exit at the end of a randomly selected tunnel in this specific cave, but about the chance of being in a cave with an uncharted secondary exit. Basically, he knows of 14284 (or a multiple X of that number) cases in which a group of people were in a similar cave with the only known entrance blocked, and only in one (or the same X as before) of the cases, they found another exit.

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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Valheru_84 said:

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes do not prove anything.

Just like selectively edited videos do not prove anything.

At this stage I feel like you just don’t want them to prove anything. How can 10s of thousands of people liking videos that talk about disliking TLJ not mean that these same people also dislike the movie? It’s like saying the 67,000 people that have signed that petition doesn’t prove that 67,000 people dislike the movie? At this point it just feels like you simply don’t want to acknowledge that there is a large amount of genuine negativity towards the movie.

All I was initially trying to say is that I’ve seen enough signs everywhere to indicate there is a significant percentage of the audience that didn’t like the movie. With YouTube I was able to actually provide some numbers so it was the example I used. If you want to ignore that and live in a world where you think it’s just a few haters brewing up all this controversy then so be it.

You still haven’t directly answered my original post either that you wrongly attributed to me trying to somehow say this proved the movie was bad? And now that I’ve directly confronted you on the matter I get the feeling you’re going to start attacking me rather than just admitting you posted wrongly and moving on.

I get it that you liked the movie, that’s fine though I don’t understand how you do, much like you dont understand how I would place TLJ below the prequels. I’m not trying to change your mind on the movie, instead just pointing out not to discredit the fact there are many that dislike the movie and that there is evidence out there to support this if you are willing to see it.

.Val

No one doubts that a bunch of people dislike the movie and go to great lenghts to show it. Signing a petition? Because you don’t like a movie? Really?

That’s still no sign that these people are a “significante percentage of the audience”. Only a small fraction of people who watched the movie also want to watch a youtube review of it, and only a small fraction of people who watch a youtube video care enough to hit the like or dislike button. Someone who generally liked the movie, but isn’t entirely happy with some parts will definitely not watch a bunch of reviews and feel the need to let others know about his opinion of that opinion of the movie. And people who loved the movie are probably busy watching it again, instead of wasting their time on youtube going through negative reviews and hitting dislike. And finally, people like or dislike youtube videos for more reasons than just agreeing with the opinion of the video. I can see people who like the movie upvote even a negative review of TLJ, like RLM’s, for appreciating that it actually talked about the movie and avoided this toxic “Disney has an anti-men agenda” bullcrap.

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#1146842
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Banned members
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I didn’t say it’s a problem that you specifically haven’t seen it. But I think it’s a problem that the most active thread right now goes relatively unmoderated out of fear to be the one that reveals a spoiler to the mods by reporting something.

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Warbler said:

Frank your Majesty said:

How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

using Asian as an insult really bothers me. My niece is Asian.

Are you joking? Asian is the only word of that phrase that wasn’t used as an insult.

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#1146780
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How much recourse does someone deserve who calls Kelly Marie Tran a “fat asian chick”?

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#1146772
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yhwx said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Regarding JMSW, Frink wasn’t the only one who suspected him to be JMOW, yet noone received even a warning. It was just stated that he’s not a sock and that calling him a sock will no longer be accepted. And I think Frink stopped after that.

There was also the username thread incident, but then again, Frink was not warned individually, only a vague “you” group.

Yes. I just don’t see the “everyone is treated equally; if you break the rules, you get a warning, then a temp-ban, then a permanent ban” thing being applied as it was announced a while back.

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#1146769
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Handman said:

yhwx said:

Handman said:

I think we should wait for Frink to return from his temp-ban before we continue to condemn anyone else or go on endless conjecture.

What’s the problem with “condemning anyone else?”

I don’t think that’s very fair to do if they are not here to defend themselves. I’m fairly certain everyone we’re talking about doesn’t visit this section of the forum.

That’s their problem. You can send them a PM and direct them here. It’s not like we registered on a different forum to talk about them behind their backs.

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#1146767
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Not giving warnings in public encourages speculation about the reason for bans, so I don’t think that’s how it should be handled. Also, people need to know what kind of behaviour others get warned for, so that they won’t do the same.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Also, you neglect to mention the fact that someone else broke a rule, which according to Jay’s rules, is punishable by an permanent and immediate ban with no prior warning.

I thought we already discussed that some people may not necessarily consider it a slur when applied abstractly or not directed at a real person.

So, calling Finn the n-word is fine, as he’s only a character, not a real person?

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Regarding JMSW, Frink wasn’t the only one who suspected him to be JMOW, yet noone received even a warning. It was just stated that he’s not a sock and that calling him a sock will no longer be accepted. And I think Frink stopped after that.

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#1146744
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I don’t think it’s fair to take his posts, that at the time he made them were not considered to break the rules, and retroactively use them as a justification to ban him over something completely unrelated.

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