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#1142829
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

I think the whole reason why there was salt on the ground was so that they could show us that Luke isn’t real in that scene. Plus, it was flashback Luke using a lightsaber that had just been destroyed the scene before. Unless you’re talking about the philosophical meaning of the scene instead of the literal; if so, I’m sorry for the inconvenience.

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#1142802
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.

I actually think they went a bit out of their way trying to force the hope theme on us…

Luke preemptively wanting to kill his nephew, and Leia accepting her son is lost for me is the opposite of hopeful. It screams pessimism. Parents should not give up on their children, and given Luke’s experience with Vader, his behaviour is inconsistent.

Yeah, but the final scene with the boy, and how Luke said that the Jedi were going to end and then he said that he wouldn’t be the last Jedi, and that light would always come back. I don’t know, just seemed pretty hopeful to me. Even the rebels after suffering heavy casualties are still somewhat hopeful. But that’s jut what I got from it

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#1142782
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I pretty much agree with everything you said, it had some contradictions and stuff, and I feel like Snoke went to plot device for a while and ended up dying there, which hurt his character a lot. But I really need a second viewing.

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#1142743
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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SilverWook said:

Mark Hamill has been a seriously underrated actor for far too long. (Even though he’s probably the best incarnation of The Joker ever.) He played Mozart in Amadeus on Broadway, but likely wasn’t even considered for the film version because he’s forever identified with Luke in a way Harrison Ford doesn’t have to deal with having been both Han and Indy.

Mark just knocked it out of the park with this. I sincerely hope he gets an Oscar nomination. It would be a first for a Star Wars film?

I waited 34 years to see Luke back in action, and it was worth the wait.

No, Guiness got nominated for Obi-Wan in Star Wars for the 1978 Academy Awards.

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#1142618
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I believe there is a shot in TLJ that looks a lot like one of the TFA:R shots ^_^ and I didn’t see anything contradicting it either.

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#1142615
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.

I actually think they went a bit out of their way trying to force the hope theme on us…

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#1142595
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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I feel like I’m in the gray area. I didn’t love it, but I didn’t dislike it either (well, kind of). For now, I’ll be giving it a 6/10.

I didn’t like how Rey was basically RotJ Luke after absolutely no training, how she managed to connect to the force so quickly. I get it, she’s super powerful, but one must struggle. I thought she would fail, she’d be more challenged than she was in the movie and in the last one. When it came to her actions, took by her with “no influence”, she made a bad decision, but the consequence of that was -1 Sith Lord in the galaxy. So it worked.
Luke taught Rey philosophical lessons, like Yoda did to him, but he didn’t teach her anything on how to use the force, and yet she looks and moves like a Jedi master. I guess it’s because everyone felt overpowered in this movie, but Rey is like a sore thumb to me. Seriously, it was almost comical how powerful Snoke was, for example. The movie also felt rushed in a couple of places, which gave me a “they’re remaking the OT in 1,5 movies instead of 3” feeling. Ughhh.
Because of the jokes and the humor, the tone at times felt a bit all over the place. That terrible first scene with awful jokes followed by the sacrifice of Rose’s sister is an example of this.
I realize I’m nitpicking a lot, but even the whole plot of simply staying out of range and trying to escape the First Order felt stupid to me. It was like “TESB - Stupid Version”.

I hope I didn’t sound like an idiot with this, but something tells me I did.

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#1142560
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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teharri said:

That Yoda puppet seemed a little off to me. My biggest hope for this movie was to see force ghost Ob-Wan and Anakin. I am glad we got to see Yoda, but showing a scene with Luke and his father would have been superb.

I agree, but I knew they wouldn’t bring Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor to reprise their roles. About the Yoda puppet, I felt like it looked pretty bad at first, but after some 3-5 seconds I had no problem with it at all.

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#1142449
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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darthrush said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I went in expecting to like it the same as I like The Force Awakens but I was blown away. I honestly don’t have any problems with the film. I’m glad I feel that way and I can’t wait to see it again.

I am RIGHT with you and Cobb! This film blew me away. It had my legs shaking. Of course I have some issues. Too much comedy and Canto Bight could be cut down. You could also get rid of Leia’s superman moment. But besides that? Well what you have is a Star Wars masterpiece. Now begins my full review. Feel free to poke any holes through it if you disagree:

This film is so incredible in so many ways and I don’t know where to start so I will just start moving through some of the great things.

Firstly, Luke’s fate was one of the most beautiful and inspiring scenes in Star Wars history. This film instantly feels so much richer and more satisfying than both Force Awakens and Rogue One.

Rey and Kylo’s relationship was absolutely perfect. An amazing moral drama between the two that had my eyes glued to the screen. Luke and Yoda’s scene might be the most heartwarming scene in the whole film. Luke’s training is full of interesting moments (sometimes too much humor), and an amazing depiction of how the Force connects everything. When Rey feels things around her and we get her describing the beauty and chaos with the accompanied visuals, it was just visceral.

The multiple perspectives and descriptions of the Kylo/Luke flashback work perfectly. I felt so sorry for Luke and the guilt he felt. His dialogue about it being a “fleeting moment” and only then realizing his great mistake was just wonderful. I also actually started to see why Kylo would have that as the moment that sets him crazy and loose.

The relationship between Rey and Ben Solo was beautiful. Very saddening towards the end yet still emotionally rewarding. Their force bond was a genius and inventive idea from Rian Johnson. Their complex moral dilemma of Rey seeing the desire for good in Kylo makes sense and I totally felt it to be true. And Kylo’s use of Rey’s parentage against her and his persuasion was just great.

Luke at the end was a true Jedi. Using the force for the ultimate defense, using Ben Solo’s hate against him, saving his friends, and lighting hope for the galaxy. Then he finally finds his peace with a binary sunset. The same sunset he gazed upon when he once desired to be apart of something greater than himself.

“The Rebellion is reborn today…The War is not over…And I will NOT be the Last Jedi…”

Come at me folks. I LOVED this film.

That was actually a very nice and accurate description of the very high highs of the movie to me. Having in mind Luke’s character in TFA, what they did was masterful and very well executed. He walking all alone to face the huge and powerful First Order and WIN is quite possibly my favorite scene in movie history.
And I loved Luke+Kylo Ren’s story and their relationship, and deep down part of me wishes that THAT was Episode 7.

But the way the movie flows for a while didn’t really feel that much like Star Wars to me, and that alongside the cheesy jokes and other cheesy moments in general took me out of the movie several times.

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#1142431
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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I personally think the movie needs a second viewing, and that’s what it’s getting from me Sunday. First impressions was that it had so much potential, but the amount of awful jokes actually took me out of the movie, and some of the twists were very predictable. Leia’s non death was pretty bad. Finn should have woken up later into the film in my opinion, so that we had enough time with Leia & Poe and Luke & Rey.
Overall, first act was bad, the rest was medium with some very high highs. And the first act had highs as well, of course.

By the way, does anyone know if they used the same “Main Title” version for the opening crawl as they used in TFA?

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#1142427
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Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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I’m looking forward to seeing your edits, if you plan to make them available. The clip you posted is marvelous, congratulations.

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#1141946
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What is the best ROTJ Fanedit so far in your opinion?
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Valheru_84 said:

Collipso said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered/id/48662 My personal go-to.

Seems like a pretty good edit if I were to choose one. Still not even certain on Ady’s at this stage though seeing it is going to be more of a fan edit than a fan fix like ANH:R and TESB:R were.

Sure ROTJ doesn’t measure up to the other two movies but I never really had any issues with it to the extent I’d rather watch a fan edit over the original theatrical.

.Val

Yeah, this fanedit that I linked is basically RotJ anti-cheese, and how much that improves the movie is almost ridiculous.

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