Alderaan

moviefreakedmind said:

GlastoEls said:

It’s all gone quiet in OOT Disney rumour-land.

Verta’s silent.

<Crickets chirping>

I have a feeling that Lucasfilm wasn’t interested. I remember some of his comments regarding a potential pitch, and while I don’t know where to find those or if I even have access to them anymore, it sounded to me like the way he framed his offer had less to do with Star Wars than it did some kind of proof of concept. If that’s how he framed it then I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t get any offers.

He probably didn’t get any offers because Kathleen Kennedy isn’t going to do ****.

rodneyfaile said:

It’s a great time to be a Star Wars fan. We have new movies and animated series and books and so much going on, but it’s also a sad time to be a Star Wars fan, because it’s obvious history has been rewritten and the Star Wars we all know that started all of this will not be widely known to future generations.

I LOVE DISNEY. I LOVE STAR WARS. DISNEY. STAR WARS. OMG OMG OMG

Et Chew?

ZkinandBonez said:

So, this is going to be a thing…

Disneyfication!

And look…he doesn’t even have a weapon. Chew is straight up carrying a stick.

If only Density would make an appearance and weigh in on this topic now…

TV’s Frink said:

Probably in a novelization or in the EU, neither of which counts.

Right, I’m just waiting for one of them to tell me I have to look it up in a book somewhere.

Edezio Enk’or Valorum said:

Then, how would you interpret the fact that the Emperor knew the speech pattern of Yoda? By what he read on Lukes mind? For me, it would actually implied that they met, at least once

When did the Emperor ever speak like Yoda?

Could have been half brothers.

mfastx said:
It’s heavily implied that Yoda has come into contact with both of them before. In ESB he talks about how strong Luke’s father was, and in ROTJ he tells Luke to not underestimate the Emperor. He went into hiding on some random remote planet, it’s much less far fetched that they never went after him as opposed to Vader going after Luke who’s “hiding” with his family.

Where was it heavily implied? There’s no implication Yoda ever met any of these people in the OT. He watched Luke from the other side of the galaxy. He was in communication with Obi-Wan’s spirit. He was obviously aware that all of the other Jedi had been purged by Vader and the Emperor.

I mean, watching the movies, Dagobah could have been Yoda’s home planet for all you know. Obi-Wan could have gone there to train when he was younger and Vader didn’t know about it. Don’t tell me there’s some other explanation in a book somewhere. If it’s not in the movie, it’s not relevant.

Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?

Nope. I always assumed they had no clue, otherwise they would have attacked Dagobah and tried to eliminate him. Vader mentions Obi-Wan’s name repeatedly, but never mentions Yoda in the OT.

The amount of shilling that some posters do on behalf of Disney for their empty, commercialized bullshit is truly astounding.

I hope they own shares in the company or are at least employed by them in some capacity.

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

Alderaan said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

Swap out the Natalie Portman pic for one with the rathtars. It goes better with the rest.

Nope. A supposedly strong character dying because of a broken heart (especially immediately after having two babies to care for) is possibly the dumbest thing in the eight movies so far.

Weird goofy nonsense off-tone scene with bad cartoon CGI is the tie that binds all of those scenes and the rathtar abomination.

The stupid Portman plotline belongs next to classic TFA scenes like Captain Phasma lowering the shields, and people looking up at the sky and seeing stars get sucked up into a machine light years away in real time.

yotsuya said:

I tend to like the prequels

yotsuya said:

I would gladly wear all of these. But then, I’ve always loved Disney and I’ve loved Star Wars since 77. And I’ve loved just about every film Kennedy has been producer or executive producer on.

lol

SilverWook said:

Alderaan said:

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

Swap out the Natalie Portman pic for one with the rathtars. It goes better with the rest.

BigMcLargeHuge said:

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA.

Perhaps the worst scene/series of scenes in TFA.

Agreed. One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars movie.

Vader was at his Vaderist in The Empire Strikes Back.

Bob, that’s a lot of words to say:

“I love Kennedy”

“I love Disney”

“I love Star Wars”

Do you have any pictures of all these campaign stickers you wear all the time?

Ask in the Rogue One thread, and I will answer when I get around to it.

yhwx said:

Alderaan said:

You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

If you showed Rogue One to somebody seven years in the past, I don’t think they’d recognize it as a Disney movie.

I don’t think many traditional Disney movies have everybody the protagonists die in them and a pyrrhic victory.

There was still a ton of Disneyfication in Rogue One. It would be interesting to see what the original cut looked like though. Maybe there was less of it there.

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You should look up “Disneyfication”.

Wikipedia defines as:

(Disneyfication and similar terms) are generally used in a negative way, and they imply homogenization of consumption, merchandising, and emotional labor. They can be used more broadly to describe the processes of stripping a real place or event of its original character and repackaging it in a sanitized format. References to anything negative are removed, and the facts are watered down with the intent of making the subject more pleasant and easily grasped.

There are lots of books written on the very topic. Pretty much what will happen in this film IMO.

yotsuya said:

Alderaan said:

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

I differ. I think Solo is the type of character they have had many iterations of. But also differ in my opinion that Disney is that much in control. I think Lucasfilm knows the characters, world, and stories and Disney is trusting them to work the same magic again. And they have some awesome talent as well as some people who were there when Lucas crafted our beloved OT.

There was that scene with the rathtars and the smugglers confronting Han in TFA. The tone of that scene was much more like the scenes with pirate bad guys in POTC movies. It was not anything like the Star Wars OT.

As for Han’s character, he got softer as the SW movies went on. You can make the argument that the portrayal of Han’s character in TFA wasn’t that far off given that point in his life. And that kind of falls into the Disney sweet spot as far as the tone and style of films that make up their brand.

I’m not sure they can go back to the beginning and produce a credible portrayal of young Han though, given the kind of movies they put out. Disney has made some great movies in the past but they have also “Disneyfied” movies that are out of their natural range of material, and the result is always or almost always very poor.

These junk articles are just Disney spin. They have a lot more tentacles in the movie business than Lucasfilm ever did, and usually the writers are getting something in return. Even if it’s just access.

dahmage said:

Honest question:. Is it even possible to portray Han Solo in a way that matches up the way he is described in OT with the way he actually is in the OT. This is just off the top of my head right now but it seems like he is described as being a scoundrel way more than we ever actually see him being a scoundrel. In fact almost all of his actions seem to be a pretty normal stand-up guy.

He kills an alien and tips the bartender like it’s an every day part of his job. In the OOT, not the SE, it seems as though a crime lord wants to kill him over a debt. He’s a smuggler engaged in doing illegal things, although they aren’t shown, because they aren’t important to the plot (the Greedo scene is enough to get the point across). He scams Luke and Ben on the price of their trip. He starts out as an unsavory character.

But hey, he’s useful.

As the story progresses, he begins to develop a friendship with Luke. That starts his transformation into hero. But he still belittles nearly everyone and everything else. The Jedi, The Force, Leia and Obi-Wan. He threatens the droids with dismemberment, even if he’s half-kidding.

Later in the movie, there is more transformation. He’s a mercenary, and he only volunteers to help rescue the princess when he learns about the reward. When he receives the award, he bails out on the Rebellion, tells them they’re crazy and suicidal, but he does wish Luke good luck and says “May the Force be with you”. It’s not much, but he didn’t have to do it.

At the end of course he comes back and saves the day. Deep down, when his new friends were all about to die, he wouldn’t let it happen. The audience had to wade through a lot of scruff and insults and thickness, but deep down, Han was a good friend with a good heart after all.

The thing about Han is that he’s a smuggler. A scoundrel. He’s not a savory character in Star Wars. He’s a mercenary, but somewhere deep down he’s not all that bad. But you have to really get deep down, and that’s what a good climax in a movie does. It takes something really big and meaningful to bring that out in Han’s character, and it’s saved for the end of the movie.

The question has to be asked what kind of Han movie does Disney want to make?

The smuggling world…does anyone really think Disney can pull that off? Is it going to be credible in the same style and tone as Star Wars? Or is it going to feel like the pirates in the POTC movies? What about bro humor and buddy movies? Or the Jabba SE scene? Or the goofball smugglers that reminded me of the Hook kids all grown up?

I don’t think any of these things are Han Solo.

Someone addressed it early in the thread, but I don’t think Disney is even capable of making a good Han Solo movie at a fundamental level. It’s not their brand.

I did watch Stargate earlier this year or last year for the first time in a long time. Not watching it now but listening to the soundtrack. The music is great.