logo Sign In

All Things Star Trek — Page 124

Author
Time

MalàStrana said:

Firefly is ok. Not as good as Cowboy Bebop but still nice.

LOL!

The movie version, Serenity, was quite a failure.

Not sure how you are defining “failure” but it has high ratings anywhere you care to look (RT, Metacritic, IMDB). It also happens to be a great movie independent of how the internet and the critics rate it.

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Truly the best judge of a show’s quality is a shiny ship design.

and TPM is the best movie.

You know, I was about to go off on a rant about The Motion Picture, then I noticed the abbreviation.

What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?

Author
Time

What, you guys think this is a Star Trek thread or something?

Author
Time

I think I have an unfair advantage using a trackball. 😉

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

They have to make a Lucas version of that. Better yet, a Trump version. 😄

Author
Time

Why so much hatred for The Motionless Picture? It’s one of the best ST movies. To me

Author
Time


Speaking of TMP, right now I am in the middle of reading this excellent in-depth book.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Ironic we have the theatrical cut of TMP on Blu Ray, and not the Director’s Edition with all the CGI shots. Paramount’s penny pinching actually helped for once. 😉

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

Yeah, the 480i CGI would probably not look very good upscaled to 1080p

Author
Time

I believe the Lead VFX guy from the DE has all of the elements, ready to render at 1080p if given the word…

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time

Unlike the SEs of Star Wars, the Director’s Cut of the Motion Picture was tastefully done.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

Probably because they specifically tried to not do anything they couldn’t have done in 1978 if allowed more time and didn’t just use it as a test bed for effects they wanted to use in Nemesis. It also helped that even people who like Motion Picture admit it has flaws that the DE went a bit into fixing, while Star Wars was nominated for Best Picture.

Star Wars Revisited Wordpress

Star Wars Visual Comparisons WordPress

Author
Time
 (Edited)

moviefreakedmind said:

Unlike the SEs of Star Wars, the Director’s Cut of the Motion Picture was tastefully done.

I agree, it was the feeling that the original 1979 cut and the Special Longer Version were being left out and forgotten that kind of sucked at the time. An everything but the replicator sink set, with all three versions would have been sweet. Robert Wise might have had issues with the SLV though.

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

SilverWook said:

Ironic we have the theatrical cut of TMP on Blu Ray, and not the Director’s Edition with all the CGI shots. Paramount’s penny pinching actually helped for once. 😉

I know, right?!

Although those blu-rays are still the hd equivalent of the GOUT for me, with the obvious exception of Wrath of Khan which has been restored not once but twice now while the other five were merely “remastered.” TUC happens to be one of the very first movies I ever saw in a theater. I was quite happy to hear the news that the bd would be the theatrical cuts, which for TUC would be the first release of the theatrical cut on home video ever. Even TMP couldn’t make that claim IIRC, as there was a release of the theatrical cut long before the “special longer version” became the norm on vhs (someone please correct me if I’m wrong).

Then the screencaptures started coming in…

Just as with the GOUT, there was an element of “I knew it was too good to be true.” TMP was the theatrical cut, but had been contrast-boosted and slightly dnr’d. Were they still using the same ancient hd transfer they would’ve done way back in 2001 before finishing the DE cgi at 480p? TUC was also the theatrical, but looked manipulated and processed as well. Unlike with TMP, there were actually clear signs of this being from an ancient 1080i master (stair-stepping and other issues). Maybe that was the tradeoff for it being the theatrical cut. Maybe there was a “barely hd” master sitting on the shelf (but from when???) and they simply dumped it to blu-ray.

Search for Spock and Final Frontier both looked passably decent, if just barely. But there was still an unwanted amount of dnr and contrast-boosting going on.

Then there’s Voyage Home. Ohhhh boy. Someone cranked the dnr knob up to eleven on that one. It looks like somewhat slathered the photoshop “watercolor” filter over every frame in the movie.

I actually caught back to back screenings of Search for Spock and Voyage Home at the AFI Silver back in September. SFS ended up being from a DCP when they had said it was 35mm (I noticed they’ve since stopped specifying what format their screenings are in). It actually didn’t look terrible, even though it was from the same flawed master used for the blu-ray.

But then I saw Voyage Home right after … and it was not only an actual 35mm print, but the european version with the kirk-narrated “previously on” intro! Let me tell you, after seeing the oscar-nominated cinematography in all its glory, there’s no way I’m buying a copy of this or any other pre-Abrams Trek film until it’s shown the proper treatment.

But hey, at least it was still technically given an official release in hd, which is more than the OT can say for itself.

Author
Time

I didn’t think the Star Trek blu-rays were that bad. They weren’t great, but there were a lot of much worse blu ray transfers back then.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

The version of Insurrection I saw on the SciFi channel a few months back looked like a wax museum!

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

I thought first contact was pretty decent but they may have put more work into it since out was the most successful

Author
Time

Fang Zei said:

Search for Spock and Final Frontier both looked passably decent, if just barely. But there was still an unwanted amount of dnr and contrast-boosting going on.

I’d argue that the Search for Spock bluray got shafted hard by brightness and color. The second Wrath of Khan blu hit it perfect, with the beiges and greys of the sets, and the uniforms being a more dark burgundy than medium/bright red.

There’s a 35mm scan of III floating around, and while it’s in dire need of a little cleanup and color correction, it’s miles better than the official bluray. For one, it’s much darker, which really helps set the mood better than that over-lit eyesore of a bluray. Heck, even the Genesis surface was much more convincing in places. The scan also included the laserdisc audio mix, which is crisper and more lively than the dull and flat mix used for the bluray.

What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?