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- Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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- Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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And we are all trying our best to wring the most out of what we have to work with. But the fact is, even massive undertaking that utilize the best possible technology, methods and efforts--i.e. the XO project--the fact remains that the best the OOT will ever look is a Laserdisk.
And we all know that there are many people out there with actual 35mm prints of Star Wars. In fact, if i understand it correctly, a member of the XO team himself even owns one. Now, the issue is "are these any good?"--are they scratchy and faded? Well, probably a lot of them are. But there are many that are not--in fact, i have seen some that are looking pretty damn good. Some people still have those rarer Technicolor prints made by dye-transfer that look almost immaculate in terms of colour and resolution.
So, what i am getting at is: how crazy is it for us to attempt to do our own high-resolution 2K scan of a 35mm print? This would literally preserve the film, more or less, forever. It would be so high-resolution that you could even make new 35mm prints from the data. Forget SD and HD, this is better than anything even available to consumers yet. This would place the future of the film in our hands, safe, secure, and for future releases, no longer bound to the Lucasfilm cash machine. The data could be used to make SD releases, HD releases and more and better 35mm prints. In short, we would never need Lucasfilm for the film ever again, ever. In time, people--for instance the same people that slaved over preserving the XO project--could frame-by-frame restore all the scratches and grain that would inevitably be resultant in a theatrical print. Star Wars would literally be ours for the ages.
Now, here is the problem: cost. Yes, you knew this would be coming. What is the price of scanning a 2 hour + 35mm at 2K resolution? Roughly $50,000 USD. I'm sure you could get a deal to scan it for a little less than this. Another problem: storage. I think this would literally take up a few terabytes of information, so basically it required a dedicated "Star Wars server." This is less of an issue however, as is the software to handle it--many people here and elsewhere are post-production professionals who not only would be willing to share and be caretakers of this data but also have the physical capability to do so. So that leaves the staggering cost of scanning the print.
At first this seems totally unrealistic...but really...is it?
How crazy is it to get a fundraiser going to make Star Wars truely--and physically--ours? If everyone here contributed a hundred bucks we'd have a good start, and many people including myself would be willing to donate many more times that amount. Take this over to Home Theater Forum, The Digital Bits, any place where collectors and professionals have been fighting the good fight--I'm betting that it would be surprising how fast the donation box would climb. And with people like Robert Harris ready to jump into the mix this could all be done properly and professionally.
Am I crazy? I think something like this would have a good chance at success, in time.
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- #224428
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- Star Wars prequel Box set
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224428/action/topic#224428
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- #224377
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- Young Indiana Jones... a preservation (* unfinished project *) - a mass of info & ideas
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224377/action/topic#224377
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- #224116
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- Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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and comes relatively close to the resolution of a standard 35mm cinema release copy.
Actually it is not close at all. But it sure beats SD.
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- #224101
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- Star Wars in High Definition: OT clips from "Science of Star Wars" in HD
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224101/action/topic#224101
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- #223823
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- Lucas may have caved, here is a link to Barnes & Noble early review of the O-OT DVD's:
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223823/action/topic#223823
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- #223307
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- Is Dune a good movie?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223307/action/topic#223307
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- #223235
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- Info Wanted: What is the preservation project closest to the original 1977 release?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223235/action/topic#223235
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- #223217
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- Info & Offer: ANH CBS Anniversary Airing w/ bumpers and commercials... for anyone?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223217/action/topic#223217
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- #223196
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- Info & Offer: ANH CBS Anniversary Airing w/ bumpers and commercials... for anyone?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223196/action/topic#223196
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- #223085
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- Sergio Leone Preservations - Dollars Trilogy, Fistful of Dynamite, Once Upon a Time in the West (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223085/action/topic#223085
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exactly, zombie. But it would be fun to listen to the original voices of everyone in the moive... italian, english and lots and lots of spanish.
I suppose that would be kind of neat. That might be the closest to an "original language" presentation as you could get--english, italian and spanish. Of course it might even be switching within the scene, which would be either neat or annoying. But even then, its still a post-production dub--someone should make a "Production Audio" release of the films with all of the voices removed!
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- #222999
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- Sergio Leone Preservations - Dollars Trilogy, Fistful of Dynamite, Once Upon a Time in the West (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222999/action/topic#222999
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I'd like to see complete, uncut versions of FISTFUL, FAFDM, and TGTBATU in original Italian with English subtitles (preferably the Italian titles/credits as well) in NTSC - does anyone have anything like this? It seems like most of these projects are using other foreign dubs besides the "original" Italian.
Actually, every version is dubbed. The trend at the time was to not record sound in order to save time and all the actors would be re-recorded later. Which is why Clint Eastwood is very clearly speaking english, even though the sync is slightly off much of the time. So really, there is no "original language."
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- #222873
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- Music guilty pleasures.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222873/action/topic#222873
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- #222773
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- Info Wanted: What is the best Edit of Superman?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222773/action/topic#222773
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- #222737
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- I hate M. Night Ramalamadingdong!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222737/action/topic#222737
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This is the most digusting, ball-less, self-serving, cry-baby-ish display i have ever seen from a director. Sorry buddy, when you are a commerical director you have to take it from the studios and bless every act of creative control you get because it is a gift from them. Dont' like it? Talk to Ridley Scott. The man can't even count the number of films of his that have been cancelled or re-cut but he never wrote a book blasting a studio and never broke down and cried because the studio gave him $60 million but didn't kiss his ass as well. Jesus christ.
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- #222730
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- Alexander - The Spence Edit (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222730/action/topic#222730
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- #222445
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- OT.com = TFN?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222445/action/topic#222445
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- #222148
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- Episode I: PaulisDead2221's Edit (* unfinished project *)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222148/action/topic#222148
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- #222125
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- .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222125/action/topic#222125
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- #221666
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- Episode I: PaulisDead2221's Edit (* unfinished project *)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221666/action/topic#221666
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I think its 'up out at...'
It is but the grammar is still very wrong. Should clean this up.
Other than that this is by far the most extensive Episode I edit I've come across, and by far the most interesting with all of that re-structuring done. Nice work.
Curious--are the Neimoidians re-dubbed or as they were in the original cut? And for the love of god cut down the podrace, the dvd version goes on far too long (and you can tell what footage is new because it is very inferior to the original).
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- #221648
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- Sergio Leone Preservations - Dollars Trilogy, Fistful of Dynamite, Once Upon a Time in the West (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221648/action/topic#221648
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- #221647
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- Shadow of the Empire (book)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221647/action/topic#221647
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- #221513
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- "Troy" Re-Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221513/action/topic#221513
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I'm thinking U-571 and Pearl Harbor for starters

I can only hope you are joking

The writer of Kingdom of Heaven self-proclaimed the magnificent directors cut to be the most historically accurate movie ever made. I think i might agree with him.
As for Gabriel Yard's rejected score, I haven't come across it and surprisingly James Horner's rather cartoonish score now works better than ever, though I am still trying to tone down the synthesizers in a few spots; do synthesizers ever work in period films?? If anyone knows where to find Yard's score though i would love to hear it, as it is supposedly his best work.
I've cut out a few more bits, notably Hector's funeral, which i felt was not necessary after watching a rough cut. And i have to say, i was surprisingly moved by certain parts of the film, much more than the original cut and even when i am attempting to downplay all the other characters--just goes to show you what the elimination of boring exposition and lame dialog will do for you.
As for Sean Bean--i didn't even notice him in the original cut except for one or two scenes but now with my new cut he becomes elevated to a secondary character.
After viewing my first pass i did notice one thing that may be hard to overcome--Achilles dissapears from the story at two key points, the first being between his recruitment in Greece and appearance on the shores of Troy and the second and most major one being the attempted seige of Troy, where the film completely leaves him behind for almost twenty minutes. I have included him as a spectator but the drama is really on Paris and Hector and it really is the best scene in the entire film and a major plot point--i could trim it back to just the necessary exposition required but i fear that it might rob the scene of all its drama and hence not serve any purpose. I may experiment with this a bit. As it stands the scene is a few minutes shorter but it is a bit odd that just as Achilles becomes the focus he dissapears for fifteen minutes.
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- #221406
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- "Troy" Re-Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221406/action/topic#221406
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Well I am in the in the latter stages of my first fan-edit.
Let me say this right now: Troy sucked. Big time. The acting was wooden, the script a horrible, clichéd mess that was only mildly faithful to the superior source material, the photography was boring, the production design incredibly amateurish, the score worthless (synthesizers??!), the characters unlikeable and it just went on and on. Only the sometimes-impressive visual effects and the magnetic screen-presence of Brad Pitt saved the film from utter ruin. In my opinion of course.
But underneath all of that trash, I could see that there was a movie salvageable. Not a great one, but a watchable one at least, something people could enjoy.
What was the problem? Two things. One, the film was attempting to be a moving, tragic historical epic 50% of the time. It is far too cliched, boring and poorly directed to be such a thing. Two, the film was attempting to be an action-packed comic-book like adventure film the other 50% of the time, with epic scenery, larger-than-life heroes and an enjoyably cheesy ambiance. This works for the most part, but the first 50% offsets this second half and both fall apart.
Well, I have salvaged that second aspect into its own movie. This is not a moving and emotional historical epic like Gladiator or Kingdom of Heaven—it’s a comic book adventure film in the vein of Ray Harryhausen. Think Jason and the Argonauts, 7th Voyage of Sinbad, Clash of the Titans.
This is my version of the movie formerly known as Troy. I have yet to give it a new name—suggestions are welcome. I was thinking of merely Achilles to reflect the change in story focus from the whole Trojan war to just Achilles but that strikes me as a somewhat dull title.
Challenges:
-Achilles is presented as an Dirty Harry-like anti-hero; well, the rogue aspect of him works, but he comes off as a murderous, bloodthirsty sociopath in the film.
The original cut has no protagonist; the film is split between Achilles (Brad Pitt), Hector (Eric Bana) and Paris (Orlando Bloom). Achilles’ story is the most interesting one but his character is very uneven; Hector is interesting to a degree but we never really get a feel for him and he dies halfway; Paris is just annoying and the whole “doomed romance” plot totally fails and drags the movie down with it. This begs the question: who’s story is this? In trying to answer it with “everybody’s story” the filmmakers inevitably gave us “nobody’s story.”
-Bad pacing. There’s too many pointless battle shots of random soldiers fighting, the film seems to stop a million times for funerals, the overuse of a the “tragic” wailing first made trendy by Gladiator is very annoying and theres far too many scenes where characters sit and provide exposition and talk irrelevant politics. And it goes on far too long.
Well, I’ve solved those problems, for the most part. Achilles is now the clear protagonist of the film, a rogue-ish hero with a bad streak of attitude in him but generally likeable. Paris and Hector are there as adversaries for him but they are developed to a degree as people with their own issues; Hector and King Priam come across as more devious and antagonistic now, and Paris much more sneaky, though I think the audience identifies with his struggle more now that all the crappy dialog is cut down.
Complete list of changes:
I am still working on little tweaks and cuts. There probably a few things i forgot to mention too.
Final running time: 2 hours, 20 minutes.
original run time: 2 hours, 42 minutes.
The final product is a fast-paced, comic-book-like adventure epic which follows Achilles, the greatest hero who ever lived, as he battles the greedy and nasty King Agamemnon, wrestles with the morality of war, battles the Trojans and romances Briseis. It is very watchable but still imperfect due to the actual source—nevertheless, this is all the good that lay in the film known as Troy.
Should have this done by wednesday or so. Anyone interested?