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#305474
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Star Wars: The Best of 2007 (Looking Back at 30 Years)
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The latest word from LFL is that there won't be any more video releases until its on HD, and they aren't going with HD until the format war is over. Since it seems that Blu-Ray has now won the format war--or, to put it more fairly, that by the mid-year HD-DVD will probably be obsolete considering where things are now--LFL might start organising the HD set sometime this fall. That could mean that we could see the set as early as christmas 2009--since I think a lot of the extra content will simply be the pre-existing DVD extras, and even though there has been talk about an "all bluescreen" version of TPM or OT deleted scenes or more extensive PT docs this could easily be put together in under a year since theres no need for commentary tracks, OT interviews, etc. Given Lucasfilm's track record though I can easily see it taking until 2010, which would put it in sync with the live-action series.

AOTC and ROTS were shot in standard HD res, which is 1080p. But then they are cropped so I guess you are right in that they are less than the full res of HD.
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#305271
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Blade Runner: The Version You've Never Seen Before (Update: Beta Released)
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LeoneNut: Thanks! I have Future Noir of course but I hadn't realised that the continuity was saved by complete accident. Of course Rawlings is right, the original order is awful and grinds the narrative to a halt.

Barnephiliac: The way I look at it, even though the temp music was never meant to remain in the film, it still represents the wishes and intentions of the filmmakers as a sort of "alternate version" of what was intended to be there, sort of a music equivalent of an animatic for unfinished VFX. I do agree that it seems jarring because the whole film is Vangelis and all of a sudden this comes in--though there is temp music in the love scene as well and alternate source music in the street scenes. I might change my mind when I actually put it all together--removing it isn't too difficult, at least for most of it, and I will be doing picture chopping anyways--but right now I'm inclined to just leave it in.

Anyways, it will be a long while before I even start doing anything since I basically have to rip the entire 5 disks to my drive.

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#305193
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Blade Runner: The Version You've Never Seen Before (Update: Beta Released)
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Zombie I really like this idea

I have two suggestions though

Could you reorder the Post-Zhora scenes, so they are in the scripted order (always wanted to see this):
i.e.
(1) Zhora dies
(2) Deckard spots Rachael in the crowd, and follows her
(3) Deckard is caught and beaten up by Leon, but saved by Rachael
(4) Deckard goes to buy some liquor
(5) Deckard goes to talk with Bryant in the spinner

The original film sequence being 1,4,5,2,3 of course

Also the "nail through the hand" scene, should be placed after the "head through the bathroom wall" scene, for similar reasons. He gets the nail in the bathroom for one reason


I hadn't thought of the whole Zhora/Leon thing, but that sounds like a good idea. One problem might be that the alternate edit of the sequence is not cut that way and might be tricky to lift the V.O--but I'll see how it goes.
One thing that this will do is make a very major and obvious continuity error--the number of replicants. Bryant says that including Rachel there is four--but theres only Pris and Batty left. I know some people might say "Deckards the fourth replicant!" but that makes no sense considering the context of that dialog (ie Deckard should be aware of the discrepancy). Did they accidentally film such a giantly obvious mistake like that and then the re-edit of the sequence order ended up correcting everything by accident? This whole thing is hard to make sense of.

As to the whole "dream" thing with the car, thats a pretty good idea actually, but I want to stick to the original intentions of the footage and not get too creative with my own interpretations. I might play around with the two alternate endings and see if I can combine them; I'm inclined to simply use the first one and just leave the second one as a DVD extra simply because I felt that the dialog-based one was the lesser of the two (well, they are both pretty bad, but the lesser of two evils to put it another way).
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#305041
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Blade Runner: The Version You've Never Seen Before (Update: Beta Released)
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Batty's death scene will still have the Vangelis score. The Bradbury sequence--the chase--has the temp music, which is inferior but not to the point of ruining the scenes since its pretty subtle anyway, but once we get to the roof Vangelis comes back when Batty appears, which works quite effectively. I'm planning to include the workprint version of the scene from this point to the end of his death as an extra (here I felt the temp music was not only inferior but took away much of the emotion--luckily the alternate edit of the scene includes the Vangelis score, so I can still keep it; as I said, I'm looking more to present a different version rather than a "better" version but luckily things work out here).
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#304991
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Blade Runner: The Version You've Never Seen Before (Update: Beta Released)
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EDITED MAY 8: Beta version available now!

This is something I started working on ever since the 5-disk boxset came out. What it is is not a special cut to make the film better, not simply an extended version that incorperates deleted scenes, but the most thoroughly different version of the film possible that makes use of all the diferent versions and unseen footage to create a cut of the film as drastically different as can be had. It incorperates sections of the workprint and all of the deleted and alternate scenes, plus elements taken from the raw dailies. There is voice-over throughout, but it is the original, unused recordings, creating a more noir-ish storyline.


The theatrical version being worked from is the 1992 Director’s Cut. I’ve also not mentioned it in the change listing, but none of the dailies had corresponding soundtracks, so in some cases I have had to add my own recordings while also cheating overlays from elsewhere in the film (for instance, Batty shocking himself with the live wire). This was sometimes a bit of challenge considering I am editing in Womble which only has two audio tracks, although the results are fairly effective.

I’ve done some mild colour correction to the new footage, but only select shots (due to re-encoding concerns), usually transitional ones that connect to theatrical footage; both the deleted scenes and raw dailies tend to be red-faded, milky and oversaturated compared to the final grading, and some of them are much dimmer too. None of the footage truely matches perfectly, especially with occassional print damage and softer image with lower bitrate, but hopefully the contrast is much less than it would be without any treatment.

<span style=“text-decoration: underline;”>Complete List of Changes According to Scene</span>:

-Opens with workprint (WP) Ladd company logo on white background.

-Titles: titles taken from WP, with audio re-edited so that the text syncs better with the visuals.

-Opening cityscape montage: taken from WP, with spinner radio chatter, no eyeball or Holden intercuts, and no push in on the window.

-Leon-Holden scene: has one alternate take plus two new angles for Leon’s entrance, from the dailies. The rest of the scene is from the WP (minus one deleted shot), with no music sting and an extra long shot of Holden’s body.

-Deckard introduction: taken from alternate version with new narration.

-Flight to police station: has alternate take of Deckard eating noodles as he looks out the window, plus WP audio with Gaff speaking citi-speak. The shot of the geisha billboard is shorter by a few frames.

-Intro to police station: taken from the alternate scene, with new narration about Gaff.

-Intro to Bryant: removes one line as per WP editing.

-Video room: Features new introduction from alternate scene with new narration. Then continues with theatrical scene, with the replicant bios cut out.

-Holden in Hospital: This deleted scene then follows.

-Flight to Tyrell pyramid: taken from the alternate scene with new narration.

-Intro to Rachel: has an extra shot of a replicant owl and a shot of a replicant dog, from the dailies. One shot of Deckard has been trimmed by a few frames.

-Rachel’s VK: taken from the alternate version with new narration. This continues into the theatrical version with Deckard and Tyrell’s conversation.

-Flight from Tyrell pyramid: taken from the alternate scene with new narration.

-Leon’s apartment: taken from alternate scene.

-Intro to Batty: taken from the alternate scene.

-Chew’s Lab: has a new shot of Batty and Leon entering, from the dailies. Batty’s last line is taken out, as per the WP editing.

-Drive to Deckard’s apartment: taken from the alternate scene with new narration.

-Rachel and Deckard in the apartment: no change.

-Intro to Pris: taken from the alternate scene with new narration. Continues into the theatrical version of the end of the scene.

-Intro to Bradburry building: no change.

-Deckard and the Esper: Begins with the theatrical dolly across the piano photos but cuts before we see Deckard. No unicorn dream. The alternate scene with Deckard inspecting photographs and then working at the esper follows. The scene ends with the theatrical version where Deckard examins the photograph and the scale, with an extra line from the WP.

-Deckard at the noodle bar: this deleted scene then follows.

-Animoid row: taken from the alternate scene with new narration.

-Outside Taffy’s bar: taken from the alternate scene new narration.

-Taffy’s bar: alternate scene continues inside, but includes the dialogue scene between Deckard and Taffy. Then continues with alternate scene where Deckard phones Rachel, broken up with the dialogue exchange in the theatrical version.

-Deckard and the bartender: This deleted scene then follows.

-Deckard and Zhora: taken from the alternate scene with new narration. Rather than cutting to her death as the alternate scene does, it cuts mid-way into the scene. The effeminate character Deckard plays has been removed, and so has much of the dialogue.

-Zhora chase: features one new shot of Deckard on top of a car and two new crowd shots, from the dailies. A section of approximately ten seconds has been trimmed from the part where Deckard is riding the tram car, plus one shot is missing from the early part of the chase.

-Zhora’s death: taken from the alternate scene with new narration, up until the scene where Deckard buys a drink.

-Deckard and Bryant: no change.

-Deckard and Leon: new angle of Leon slapping the gun and a new shot of Rachel firing the gun, from the dailies. Omits Leon’s reaction to being shot, but keeps the shot of him slumping to the ground.

-Deckard’s apartment: begins with the scene of him washing, taken from alternate scene with new narration; this version omits the introductory section of Deckard drinking while Rachel cries. The theatrical version follows, with Rachel talking to him in the kitchen. The deleted scene of Rachel removing Deckard’s shotglass then follows.

-Love scene: contains the extended footage from the deleted scene. Ends with an unused shot of the cityscape.

-Bryant and Gaff watching Deckard and Holden: this deleted scene then follows.

-Sebastian’s apartment: contains a shot of Pris with mice, from the dailies. Cuts out the second shot of her looking at her makeup in the mirror.

-Batty joins Sebastian and Pris: no change.

-Elevator to Tyrell pyramid: taken from the alternate scene.

-Tyrell’s death: New shot of Sebastian opening door, from the dailies. Features alternate line reading and less violence in the shorter director’s cut.

-Batty in the elevator: taken from the deleted scene.

-Deckard stakes out Bradburry building: taken from the alternate scene with new narration.

-Deckard in the Bradburry: new long tracking shot from the second floor of Deckard entering, from the dailies. Snipped off about ten seconds from his ascent up the stairs. WP temp music used in this part. New panning shot of Pris with mannequins, which replaces a section of another shot of Deckard entering.

-Deckard and Pris: Re-edits the shots after he kills her of him composing himself. New shot of Deckard wandering to the hallway, seeing Batty come out of the elevator and then retreat back inside. Dialogue of Batty taken from elsewhere in the film (“Deckard!”). Deletes one shot of Deckard running away.

-Deckard and Batty: scene of Batty pulling Deckard through the wall and breaking his fingers taken from WP; audio is from WP with temp music.

-Batty chases Deckard: has a longer shot of Batty howling after smearing Pris’ blood on himself and a different angle as Deckard re-sets his broken fingers, both from the WP (some temp music). New shot of Deckard pulling at boards on windows, from the dailies. Deckard in the bathroom features shot of a mannequin in the bathtub with a shortened wide shot of him sitting on the tub’s edge. Two shots deleted from before Batty puts the nail in; nail going in from the director’s cut. Two new shots of Batty electrocuting himself, from the dailies, with a re-used shot of Deckard on the ledge breaking them up.

-The rooftop: shortens one shot of Deckard on the roof. New shot of Batty emerging from the hole. Deckard hanging features slightly different editing and a new shot from the dailies. Batty catching Deckard’s arm features slightly different shot order and a new angle from the dailies.

-Batty’s death: first part from theatrical version, with the alternate version of the ending, with narration. Gaff’s exchange with Deckard follows, from the theatrical version.

-Deckard finds Rachel: no change.

-ride into the sunset: includes both alternate endings, beginning with the dialogue version and seguing into the montage version with new narration, which fades to black.

-end credits: no end credits. Includes “The End” from WP, but without music.

There are a couple dailies shots in the film that cut somewhat poorly, but I’m only going to take them out if there are comments about them. Right now I don’t have end credits–I think the film works well without them, and I don’t have opening credits either (other than Harrison Ford) so it doesn’t seem so out of place.

On the final DVD, maybe a week or two after the beta is online, as an extra I might do a montage of every outtake from the dailies–there is footage for virtually every scene. The problem is most of it isn’t useable in the edit itself, either because they simply don’t cut with the footage available in the final film, or in the case of dialogue scenes because most of them don’t have sound. But it would be neat to see them all in a row, like going through the Warners archives and looking through all the Blade Runner camera reels. Would be a pretty big job though but something I would like to try.

Expect this available <span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”>in February or March.</span>  in late April 2011.

EDIT APRIL 16: Have updated the list of changes.

Available now is a 15 minute preview of the early part of the film, as it exists in my rough cut so far. The sound editing and mix are not final, but the picture will probably remain the same, beyond mild finessing of the cuts if need be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsG39SG55Pw

Also thinking of an alternate title; suggestions? “The Lost Cut?”

EDIT MAY 8: The beta release is available via Demonoid. Anamorphic widescreen, 2.0 sound, 4.59 GB. Have not shrunk it to fit on single-layer disc, use DVD Shrink to do so. Future version will have 5.1 upmix, additional audio and video tweaks, and real menus. The running time is 117 minutes, ironically making it the exact same time as the original versions, despite the fact that the film only contains about 50% theatrical footage.

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#304979
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Help Wanted: Not sure which version of ANH hope I have here
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Its a sync to the film as far as I remember. So an isolated version of what is heard on-screen; I could be wrong though, its been a while. (what is different in the music cues? I know there is at least one alternate track recorded, for the binary sunset scene, but this wasn't simply edited out, it was re-written and re-scored). The ESB version of the Editdroid transfer features the unused tracks I believe--but only some of them; probably the author just didn't realise how many unused recordings there were.
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#304821
Topic
pick your top ridley scott movies
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Originally posted by: Windexed
Man, now I'm going to go back and watch the KoH director's cut again. I didn't care for the theatrical release, but heard good t'ings about the director's cut. Watched half before I fell asleep. Can someone please tell me, in more detail, why the DC is so much better than the TC?


Let me give you an example:


The theatrical cut opens with some guys burying a woman (Orlando Bloom's wife); a priest comes by and tells them to cut off her head because she was a suicide. Then Liam Neeson shows up with some men and meets Orlando Bloom; he says he's his father and to come with him but Bloom turns him away. That night the priest visits Bloom, Bloom sees he has stolen his dead wife's necklace and he suddenly stabs him and runs away.

The Directors Cut is much more lyrical and drawn out, allowing characters to breath and detail to be dwelt upon. One of the first shots is the gravedigger finding an apple, opening it up and finding a worm inside--a sort of metaphor for the state of the world. They have some dialog together and then the priest comes by, and they exchange words. After stealing the necklace he orders her head cut off, but the men protest--she's his brother's wife. The priest is actually Orlando Bloom's brother. Then we meet Orlando Bloom--alone in a dark house, staring off; we go into a brief flashback and see him and his pregnant wife in a sunny homestead, planting a garden. Back in the present again we realise he's had an emotional breakdown because of his lost child and wife, and doesn't speak anymore. He goes and visits the fresh grave and his brother the priest comes by, and berates him out of jealousy, pushing him but Bloom remains unresponsive. Liam Neeson arrives and theres a scene of them staying at the local castle, as they feast and discuss the political scene--but Neeson stares out the window remembering his old life, as we learn he used to live here. The next morning Bloom finally decides to get his life together and summons his apprentice and they revive the metal workshop, as we learn Bloom is a blacksmith. Neeson and the men visit him (one of my favorite bits here in the DC is a shot of the scandavian guy wiping his mouth with his hair--just little details like this that make all the difference) and Neeson reveals he fathered Bloom (he actually says it in proper terms, "I knew your mother", rather than the more obvious language of the theatrical version, "Balian, I'm your father"). After sending him away, his brother visits him that night and provokes him some more, and when Bloom sees his wife's necklace he kills his brother and then runs off.

Its a pretty different film. And this kind of thing is characteristic of the entire movie.

As for Bloom's swordsmanship, in the scene where Neeson and his men visit him in his shop he explains that he was a soldier once and fought for a king over some long-forgotten dispute. So he's not just some tradesman, he actually has combat experience. Neeson just gives him some pointers.
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#304812
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pick your top ridley scott movies
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1492 is worth watching, even if you're not a fan of Scott; theres some really terrific design in there, as you might expect. Its spectacular.

http://www.jerrydroberts.com/brokedowncinema/Poster/1492poster.jpg

Come on, thats cool. Even if the actual story is badly done.

Davy, googling, I can't find any trace of a legitimate North American release--just threads of other people wondering why its not out. There is a South Korean import that is R1--Amazon.com has a page for it, but its not sold. The mystery goes on...
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#304742
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pick your top ridley scott movies
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Kingdom of Heaven, the theatrical version, I agree its a complete pile of crap. I saw this after I saw the Directors Cut, avoiding it because I knew before it came out that it had been totally butchered, and I was so awed at the Directors Cut that I thought I'd view the theatrical cut out of curiosity--its hard to believe its the same film. Theres no detail or characterisation, things just happen for no reason, theres none of the subtlety, all of the violence is gone, and its all action-oriented. It felt like I was watching a bad trailer for the real film. Watch the Director's Cut, its hard to sort of wipe your mind of the theatrical version I would think since you've seen some of the film already, but it'll be worth it because as I said, it really is the best epic since LOA, certainly better than all the Bravehearts and Lord of the Rings combined.

1492--theres no legitimate R1 release, unless one came out sometime earlier this year and I missed it somehow. Davy, where did you get yours from? A lot of online retailers will sell copies to North America, but they are either from other regions or bootlegs.
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#304731
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pick your top ridley scott movies
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Ridley Scott is my favourite director of all time. I know I'm making a really bold statement here, but in my opinion he's Hollywood's answer to AKira Kurosawa (my other favourite director of all time). If you haven't seen Matchstick Men your in for a treat, its a terrific and quirky character film thats personal and intimate, a real departure from Scott in some ways and I wish he would make another film like this. Thelma and Louis awful? Well, its the only Best Director Oscar he's ever won, so that must be worth something; I think its a fantastic film, a sort of larger-scale predecessor to Matchstick Men in some ways.

IMO the only really bad movie he made was White Squall; tired and uninteresting and it uses every cliche in the book, and the whole "boys on a boat" thing is just really outdated. Hannibal, 1492, Black Rain and Someone to Watch Over Me at least have incredible design and cinematography. While speaking of 1492 its a shame that this still has never been on DVD for some confounding reason but its criticism is largely true: its all over the place and doesn't ever come together, but you can see that theres this really interesting film in there somewhere; its like an unfinished first draft screenplay or something. But at least the visuals are astounding. I know he's probably done more "director's cut"'s than Oliver Stone but this is one instance where I'd really like to see Scott try to tackle the film again, because I think it could be drastically improved by another edit.

Its hard to put a best-of list together because I honestly like every single movie he's done but I guess the top are

-Alien
-Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut
-Blade Runner
-Gladiator
-The Duellists

I include that last one in there because its really is an absolutely first-rate film, even though I don't rank it on the same level as those first four--but it certainly remains among his best films, IMO. I wish more people had seen it.

Personally, I thought the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven was the best epic since Lawrence of Arabia. Its one of the biggest shame's to cinema that this was never released to theaters, and I guarantee Scott would have another pair of Best Director and Best Picture Oscars for his mantle. Such an extraordinary film.

I'm looking forward to the upcoming three-disk American Gangster DVD (missed it in theaters unfortunately--apparently there is some extended cut on the three-disk set though I doubt its anything more than a studio insistance like the second cuts of Black Hawk Down and Gladiator).
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#304616
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Well, speaking as someone in "the biz" you should be aware that film school is simply one (VERY expensive) option to take if you want to get into filmmaking. Honestly, the only worthwhile thing you get out of it is friends and likeminded people that you can hang out with and collaborate with and keep encouraging each other, but for the $30,000+ pricetag you could do a lot of other film-related things. I've been out of filmschool for years and I only last month payed off my student loan. Its ridiculous what they charge nowadays. A friend of mine wanted to go to filmschool and for the life of him just couldn't get accepted into the program, so he basically gave himself that education--he bought all the textbooks the production students get, took film theory, made his own shorts and volunteered on all the student productions he could (basically every one he applied to); he became part of the production class, and everyone knew him, even though he wasn't in the production class, and he made his own shorts that were as good as any of the production students. Even with all this under his belt, and personally knowing people on the acceptance board since he was around so much, he still couldn't get in; still seeking some kind of formal production education, he took a 2-week workshop at USC, and continued to do his own thing, and he's probably the only student to come out of those film school classes that is actually now working (ocassionally) as a professional director.
I guess I shouldn' recommend such a haphazzard way of going about things, just saying that half the people I work with didn't go to film school. But when your in highschool and don't know much about filmmaking or "getting in" it seems like the only sensible option. Just saying its not the only one.
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#304416
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Blade Runner 2, 4, and 5-disc sets in December
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I finally watched the Dangerous Days doc. Absolutely fantastic, and it was amazing to see all of those unused shots that they intercut throughout. I also was surprised to find the special effects section quite entertaining--normally I get bored with these parts because its always the same processes being explained over, but I hadn't realised how much in-camera stuff was done in BR. It also brought attention back to one of the great what-ifs of cinema: Ridley Scott's Dune. Especially hearing how he wanted to take what he had done in Alien and bring it a giant step closer to Star Wars. David Lynch's version sure sucked.
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#304375
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Favorite Beer
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Heineken is probably my favourite. I'm also quite fond of Lowenbrau and Tuborg, sometimes Stella Artois; I've always felt that DAB was quite underrated, and I could never understand why Sapporo never caught on here since it basically tastes like a domestic premium brand. Schenieder Weisse' wheat beer is also quite good. Domestically I'll occassionally drink Sleeman and Creemore springs but thats about it. Beer is my favourite drink but I just can't stand the American brands, to me most of that stuff is like the McDonalds version of beer; Canada is an improvement but only by a bit.
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#304336
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&quot;The People Vs. George Lucas&quot; documentary...
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On the topic of the mona Lisa, recently researchers x-rayed it and discovered three major layers underneath the final coat, meaning that Leonardo went and redid it twice after his first rough-in. No doubt some may see this as a parallel to the SE. They forget an important distinction: 1977's Star Wars was a final product, faithful to the script and to the best of the filmmaker's ability, released to the public and charged admission to view--and, like the Mona Lisa, 1977's Star Wars too has rougher version: the rough cuts, workprints, and the so-called Lost Cut from late 1976 to early 1977. Star Wars is not is not a rough version of the Special Edition, the Special Edition is its own entity.
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#304308
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Blade Runner 2, 4, and 5-disc sets in December
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
The best part of the set (I thought) were the deleted scenes. That alternate ending with the dialogue between Deckard and Rachel was hilarious. She says, "We were made for each other," and he just looks at her with this expression that says, "...what." and then the end credit music kicks in. I loved it.


LOL. I'm sure it comes across a bit differently but the version playing in my mind right now based off that description is hilarious.