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#538993
Topic
Darth Lucas Strikes Again!
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The bar stood to make a sizable profit on drinks and whatever else they serve. It was not a private showing it was public. And it was not for free just because no admission was being charged. This is a simple copyright issues that would be faced with pretty much anything they wanted to show and not get permission. Home video, be it VHS, LD, DVD, or BRD, has always had a disclaimer that it is for private home viewing and any public showing are prohibited. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that any public showing, much less a bar, would get in trouble for this. Lucas isn't the only one to enforce his copyright.

And I know a DJ and they have to have a license (very similar to radio) to play the music.

While a lot of people might get away with violating the public performance aspect of copyright, that doesn't mean it is legal, it just means they didn't get caught.

Now if this had been a private party and not at a bar, I might tend to agree with that Lucas would have gone past being reasonable, but this was a bar, a business, and they really shouldn't be surprised. Admission or no, they were going to make a profit from this.

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#538981
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Cultural impact can't be steered
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All this over one page in the back?

There are 10 other pictures that you aren't even talking about. While I would agree the quality is lacking, the OT cast gets their due. Each film gets an iconic shot. ANH gets that same image (although a painted version). Plus the cover features the Lars Homestead with Anakin and Luke. The location is far more iconic of ANH than any of the PT.

Plus, the two covers for the two trilogies both feature OT characters; Vader and Yoda.

And you don't even mention the image of Anakin and Luke in the middle of the booklet. It reminds me very much of the early art for ANH (see the novel cover). I can't find an online image of that picture, but the rest I found here http://halcyonrealms.com/film/star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray/

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#537905
Topic
OT Deleted Scenes Discussion
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For the final OT films, I am so glad most of these were cut. They aren't like some film's deleted scenes (like the infamous 30 sec (or less) remark by Scotty in ST II that the kid who later dies is his nephew) that you question why they were ever cut. There is not much there that really moves the story forward. Luke's conversations at the homestead fill the same roll the Biggs scenes do in explaining his character. The sandstorm scene would have worked sans the blowing sand (good keepable dialog, but the sandstorm was too much), but for pacing it really wasn't needed.

Now from a fan edit perspective, these are gold. I've had an edit in mind that would include most of the ANH scenes. It would take some work to get what I have in mind, but not too much. And I'm sure that there are quite a few who are teeming with ideas already. Deleted Magic is now in need of a serious revision.

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#536411
Topic
What do you want to see if George Lucas cared?
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I want pretty much what the initial post listed, except that for the original theatrical versions I want one extra soundtrack and for ANH, I want the option of paying any soundtrack with the 77 opening crawl or the 81 opening crawl. The extra soundtrack would by the last mix done before the special edition... the one the 97 special edition was based on.

My ultimate ideal would be to have 1 disc for each film and have it programed to play it any way you want, including a version with the deleted scenes and alternate scenes. For ANH, that would include all 3 jabba scenes (human, cg 1 and cg 2). But unfortunately, cramming all that on one disc might degrade the picture quality too much.

And as a note on sources, the best source for the original trilogy original theatrical version would be the separation masters. As I understand it, they are color specific b&w negatives that preserve what the film looked like when it was new. Using them will produce a properly color timed original image which is far closer to what we want to see than the restored image from the color negative. For ANH, I don't know how many people have noticed this, but all the bright white colors have turned pink. This isn't just a 2004 DVD transfer issue, it is on my 97 SE LD's as well. Going back to the separation masters would eliminate this and give us the best possible version of what these films looked like when they were new.

Also, while TPM was filmed on 35mm film, all the shots were scanned to create the movie digitally. So the best source of the prequel trilogy is not from film, but from the digital masters. I have no information on how TPM was scanned, but AOTC and ROTS were shot and edited at 1080p. They are 100% digital from start to finish. So what we are getting on Blu-Ray is about as good as these two films are every going to look.

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#535060
Topic
what's the original format of star wars trilogy? 35mm or 70mm?
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The VistaVision cameas used by ILM used 35mm, but ran it sideways so that on frame was exposed over what would normally be 2. In effect it gives the resolution of 70mm without having to use the more expensive 70mm film stock. Everything was then composited onto 35mm film to create the master negative.

Very few movies have been shot on 70mm film. But distributing on 70mm eliminated the increased grain that distributing on 35mm creates.

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#534180
Topic
Star Wars Inconsistencies
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skyjedi2005 said:

Obi Wan says he was trained by Yoda in Empire Strikes back.  We then learn this is not the case in the phantom menace, there is some Qui Gon guy who was never mentioned in the original trilogy but was his real master.

Obi Wan claims Anakin was a good friend who was slowly seduced by evil, nowhere shown in the prequels.

The so called great jedi purge is handled in a pathetic and anti climatic way in episode III, this is not Vader betraying the jedi and hunting them down.

Obi-wan treats Yoda as more of a master than Qui-gon (I get the impression that Obi-wan is with Qui-gon for field training before becoming a knight. Qui-gon is there and gone in a brief period while Yoda remains. Besides, with the creative history (with how the movies turned out) that Obi-wan had admitted to, why would this be any different.

Obi-wan and Anakin show a clear friendship and Anakin's fall is not abrupt, nearly every conversation with Palpatine is leading to his fall. Remember, Palpatine has had years of contact with Anakin that we don't see.

The Jedi Purge is not over when Episode III ends. Those were just the Jedi with clone troops. What about how Anakin went to the temple and slaughtered the Jedi there, even the young ones. How many other Jedi escaped the clones and need to be hunted down by Darth Vader (once the black armor goes on).

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#531898
Topic
What HASN'T been changed on Blu-ray-- the uncorrected mistakes of Star Wars
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bilditup1 said:

Hmm. I guess these would be nice to fix? But these continuity errors never bothered me. I suppose as long as we have the original, error-filled ones I wouldn't care if he fixed them.

I feel that if he is going to tinker and "make them better" he needs to fix the continuity errors as they have more impact than R2 hiding behind a rock, a scene I never heard anyone complain about. That shot is just ridiculous.

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#530032
Topic
Legacy
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I think the primary thing is to first preserve this LD edition as it is. Second, use it to create a presentation for those of us who love the movie in multiple ways. I love to watch the original 1977 with the mono soundtrack and the Episode IV way with the 95 Faces THX soundtrack. Some would like the 1977 stereo or the 1977 recreated 6-track. The rebellion collection version is a stellar example of what all to include. They have this all on one disc. It is perfect except for the horrible flaws in the GOUT dvd it is taken from.

As I mentioned on another thread, if you take a clean LD version, like this, and layer it (which requires some resizing) with the GOUT, you might be able to enhance the image to be far superior to the GOUT or any LD capture. I would love to see someone try it.

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#527959
Topic
DVNR smearing in GOUT not in the master...? Or is the 1995 release a different master altogether...?
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I've been trying to find out how the GOUT was made. It is visually much cleaner that the LD's, but it has weird motion flaws. For a while I thought I knew why it was like that, but it turns out I am still in the dark. The GOUT appears to be 23.9 fps.

What we need is a way to fix the damage frames, but there are so many of them. It seems a daunting task. If there was way to use one of the LD captures to enhance the GOUT, we might be able to clean it up in a fairly automated way. I'd say a PAL ld would be the best option, especially if it was transferred frame for frame (which speeds it up, but preserves the frames). I'm more of a photoshop person, so I really don't know what you can do with video, but I could do it with stills.

One thing I have noticed is that the so called 4 eyed stormtrooper really doesn't have 4 eyes. Right above the eyes is a black band on the stomtrooper helmets. What appears to be happening is that the white from below is smearing up and obscuring the middle of the black band and it looks like 4 eyes.

I played with layering the images on the first page and this is what I came up with.

While it works on these two images, I'm not sure it would work for the entire film. It could also end up cropping the image, but I have a way around that, at least with photos.

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#510057
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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I think we all want the same thing - the perfect copy of the original original trilogy to watch. Each of us has our own level of expectations and when they are not met, in however small a way, it detracts from our experience. The "nitpicking" here pales in comparison to what we all have to say about what Lucasfilm has given us to work with.

As for what I keep seeing (and to put this in perspective I've seen it on all 3 of the TV's I've had since the 2004 DVD came out - each one has been color adjusted to match the THX setting configuration test), I don't have a screen capture utility on this PC, so I had to use my camera. The upper image is from your version. The lower image is from the Rebellion Collection GOUT. I color corrected the sand in the GOUT to match your version along the left side and then upped the saturation. This is more extreme than what I usually see, but I think it gets across how annoying I find it.

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#509704
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Harmy said:

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so defensive. But I'm just not seeing it. The Tatooine matte doesn't seem any different from the original and I don't see any green blob in the scene you mention, it looks exactly the same as the original to me (save for the stronger saturation, which is present throughout the whole edit, because GOUT is very undersaturated).

Here are both shots in comparison:...I really don't see much difference. The matte painting is definitely the same as the original and I don't see any green area in the other shot. Or did you mean a different one?

It is your hard work, you have every right to be defensive.

You are right about the planet shot. I guess I just caught the color difference - it's darker than the other instances.

But if you watch The LD Capture (I believe mine is the TR-47) and the GOUT and pay attention to the last frames when C-3PO raises his arm and the sand underneath is connected, it is very obvious that there is color change in the 2004 DVD and not the others. They did some weird things in their color correcting and this is one place where they really screwed it up. It's obvious from the nature of the glitch that they had some sort of selection to color correct C-3PO and didn't omit the area of sand under his arm. It is very obvious on my Sony LCD HDTV. It looks almost looks like a patch of grass.

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#509685
Topic
Moth3r's PAL trilogy vs. anamorphically enhanced GOUT's
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Finding this thread just saved me from my desire to get the PAL dvd's... I guess if I have the NTSC dvd's of the GOUT, that I have the best I can buy... I'm working on finding the best I can get.

One suggestion I have for maximizing quality when converting the NTSC 4:3 image to a 16:9 image is to over size it. Convert the 720x480 image to 1440x960 before enhancing or cropping it. I noticed that some of the finer details visible in the GOUT DVD vanished in Moth3r's enhanced version. (the lines on R2's back). I've had good luck with this when enhancing photos and a movie is just a series of photos.

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#509406
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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The issues you bring up are so minor, that I wouldn't be doing anything about them even if I was to make a new version. In fact I'm not even sure they are actual issues (005, msycamore?).

Like I said, I find that flaw in color (only from the 2004 DVD version, not found on any previous sources that I have) next to C-3PO, to be very noticeable and very distracting. That is one of the major flaws that makes me want to take that 2004 DVD and throw it on the train tracks to be pulverized. You wonderfully fixed all the others, I'm just kind of curious why you left that one when lifting that scene from the same sources you so marvelously lifted the Mos Eisley scenes, or Ben's hut, would put it back to how it should be.

You have done marvelous work - work I do not have the time or Talent to do. But some things just stand out and that green blob takes me out of the film more than any of GL's 1977 era production gaffs do.

I really don't care about what version of Tatooine is seen, but I wanted to point out that the one doesn't match the others.

Glad to hear what soundtrack that is. It is very similar in many ways to the 1977 stereo - certain missing lines and such. That is actually the first time I have ever heard the 6 track version.

You have created a version of this film that I can actually watch and enjoy and not want to yank the disc out of the player and destroy it. Thank you. It is practically perfect.

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#509225
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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I downloaded it and just finished watching it and I have a couple of critical comments. (I watched the DVD version)

First, overall it was a far better viewing experience than watching the 2004 DVD edition. The colors look normal and it feels like the Star Wars I've always wanted on DVD. And it is anamorphic like it should be unlike the 2006 DVD.

That said, there are two glitches at the beginning. The CG Tatooine was restored with the matte painting Tatooine except for where the escape pod is headed for the surface. Second, the 2004 DVD has a serious color correction error that has not been fixed. When C-3PO is standing in front of the giant snake skeleton, the area under his right arm is green. It is supposed to match the sand in color and does in all the other VHS and LD versions and the 2006 DVD.

A couple of minor points - several of the shots of Luke on Tatooine (especially the one where he find Owen and Beru) look washed out and gray.

I was also disappointed that the fixed lightsabers during the duel had been unfixed, but that is a personal preference. At least Anakin/Luke's saber was blue! That is probably one of the single most annoying things about the 2004 DVD.

As far as the soundtrack, I was disappointed that it was the 2006 DVD stereo track, not the 1977 mono or the 1993 VHS/LD surround. Even Ben Burt has commented that the original 1977 stereo track wasn't done very well (and he did it).

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#421374
Topic
Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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PrivateFubar, your avatar image really fits what you said.

I've posted on a lot of forums, and the nature of forums is digression and discussion of related topics. Threads typically are closed when there is as much inactivity as this on has had.

I fail to see why this thread is being held to a higher standard than the generally accepted standard of online forums.

If we had something to go on, we might be able to carry on a conversation and stay so narrowly on topic, but at this point it is a matter of posting on closely related material or letting this thread die. I see no issue with continuing conversations that continue to relate to the Blade Runner Soundtrack, even if it isn't focuspuller's.

For instance, I think it would be nice to have a discussion about the various versions and source material for the theatrical main title sequence and how it came about and ended up as it has. I can see that it has two sections to it, the bombastic notes that accompany the blackness and the melodic section that accompanies the city flyover. The second section was reused later in the film as the second spinner liftoff. That section I know of 4 sources for, the movie, the official soundtrack, the OWM bootleg, and the mysterious Outtakes Suite. For the bombastic first section, the only source I know of is the movie itself.

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#418935
Topic
Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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I would agree with the level of frustration. This is proving a long time to wait with no samples of the completed tracks being offered. I do not agree that the 2019 is definitive. There are a huge variety of sources out there and Focuspuller is attempting to use everything out there to restore the tracks to what they were when Vangelis recorded them. I may disagree with him on several editing points and several comments he has made, but he is attempting to do something truly unique. I've done a fair share of audio editing for myself and to do it right it requires a lot of time. It can take an hour to properly line up, time, and digitally splice two segments together so that only an expert can hear the splice. It's hard work. When you have a job and a new child, and a life outside of your Bladerunner addiction, it can be hard to find the time to work on those edits and fulfill all your commitments. I'm not really expecting much progress, but Focuspuller did indicate that he would try to release some samples, but that has been ages ago. Some of the more difficult ones that are completed would be the ones I'd want to hear first.

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#397905
Topic
Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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1187hunterwasser said:

- LOOKING FOR SNAKE MAKER
- CHINATOWN CLUB
- ORIENTAL MUSIC ON TELEVISION
- ZORA TRIES TO KILL DECKARD
- ROY KILLS TYRELL & SEBASTIAN
- OUTSIDE THE BUILDING
- DECKARD ENTERS SEBASTIAN'S BUILDING
- ROY STABS HIS OWN HAND
- WHERE ARE YOU GOING

Thank you for putting that together. I think we all know the music, just by different titles. I'm not so sure about Oriental Music On Television. Could it be one of the blimp songs? I would be curious to hear what Focuspuller can make of this.

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#397777
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Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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1187hunterwasser said:

By the way, although probably everybody here knows this link already, I think it's interesting because it put the right titles on the unreleased BR tracks:

http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25&querytype=WriterID&keyid=259951&keyname=PAPATHANASSIOU%20EVANGHELOS&CAE=54407690&Affiliation=BUMA

If this direct link doesn't work, search PAPATHANASSIOU EVANGHELOS from http://www.bmi.com

This is nice information, but it is quite jumbled and contains several things that are not BR related. "Change We Must" and "Come To Me" stand out plus the El Greco tracks. So I'm not really sure that the titles are indicative of what the Missing BR tracks might be called. Most of the titles are straight off the 3 cd set and the titles on Disc 3 are tracks created and titled specifically for that release. It is very interesting, but I'm not sure how useful it is.

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#395821
Topic
Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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I concur ABC, it is better to do it right the first time. But samples of works in progress are also nice.

I'm really tired of 20 versions of the same tracks with updating versions (this goes for SW as well as Blade runner) making it a nightmare, wondering which version is best/most complete/most accurate.

I may have previously expressed my opinions about some decision our host has related, but I am none the less anxious to hear what he has done because, from the descriptions he has posted here, he is truly doing something that will be completely different. As opposed to the multitude of 'Esper Editions' (real or fake) that are floating around and really don't differ much at all musically. I noticed the same thing recently with the various Revenge of the Sith 'Extended' scores. I am rather picky about my music, especially when it is so dear to me as Vangelis or John Williams.

I hope Fucuspuller can get back to this project in the near future, but he has one of the best excuses possible for the current delay, however long it might be. No real rush. Some of us have been waiting 27 years for the music he has hinted at.

 

(p.s. sorry, don't know why I always seem to be so long winded for simple posts)

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#365691
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Blade Runner: The Complete Music Collection
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Congratulations on the addition, Focuspuller!

 

On the other topic, I truly have nothing more to say. I read the responses and I don't appreciate name calling. While I liked seeing someone side with me, I don't want to be associated with someone who pops in to deliver scathing comments and insults.

 

I think people who resort to name calling need to grow up.