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What you have to remember to make a good graphic for cover designs is that you have to make it bigger than you need. Leave edged all around. Even add edges if you can. In some cases you can’t. Then when you drop a graphic into a cover template, you have more room to work. Ideally, the template would be a little big so you can trim off part of the printed image for an clean edge (as opposed to trying to cut along an exact line and getting some white and then having to go back and recut and run the risk of an uneven edge). You have to plan for this when you place the images. The cover image may need to be a tiny bit offset. For professional printing they like to more room to cut. Though I just proofed something for work today that didn’t look like it had any over printing.

What exactly is the difference. I think I have the DVD and I have the blu-ray.

Is that supposed to be a Gamorian Guard? Kind of nightmarish where the rest of the image is at least somewhat on topic.

Mavimao said:

To be clear, I’m not ASKING for one, I was just thinking out loud how to get a compatible 2.1 mix if someone wanted to tackle it. That’s all.

Use the 2.0 mix and turn up your subwoofer.

Mavimao said:

Why not make a “5.1” mix and keep the rears quiet? All the sound is left, right and bass.

Why… just leave it as stereo if that is what you want. It seems the consensus of those who are most familiar with this is that either leave it as stereo or make a 5.1 mix. Anything in between is pretty pointless. I’ve taken that advice with my 77 surround mix by making the rear channels identical to match the 4.1/4.2 original, but I’m using the full 5.1 channels and not making a specific 4.1 mix which the specs say is perfectly acceptable. Oddballs like that just don’t play well on most systems.

Epson makes some great printers that do awesome high quality prints and that print on discs. The one I have is a multi-function (scanner, printer, copier) Artisan 730 (and older one at this point).

I just had the most annoying experience with the US TESB GOUT audio. I’m trying to sync the LD 80 and 83 tracks to it and it just isn’t working. I found one place where the GOUT audio is missing a short segment (about half a frame in length) and that helped line them up more, but there is something wrong that primarily affect reel 3, but also 2 and 4 to a lesser extent. Nothing lines up nicely. I went with the UK TESB GOUT and everything synced up without any problems. It matches the faces audio and the 1980 audio. Also, nothing is missing. But I have listened to it many many times as I’ve worked on the color correction and when the audio is expanded to 23.976 fps, a lot of flaws appear. Still, it runs along with the film just fine and was kind when I was trying to sync the audio. I think I am going to go the same route for ANH and ROTJ. I’m not using the GOUT audio in my project anyway so the sound quality is less important than getting it synced right and the ANH GOUT is missing 1 frame (picture and audio) and ROTJ GOUT is missing 2 frames (picture and Audio). Though the UK ROTJ GOUT is missing one frame, that is still better than 2.

Ahhh, but the difference in sound is amazing.

Thanks to Williarob, I have a nice reference for the 97 SE of ANH. That is one messed up transfer. Reel 1 is too dark. I have corrected the G’kar/TB mix to be closer to the GOUT color correction and fixed a number of color issues that my references indicate were not in the 97 ANH SE theatrical prints. I left the yellow cantina scenes because that seems to be a deliberate color decision.

My GOUT color correction is done. I still have to tune my 81 crawl remaster so it looks more like the DE/Faces version. I went with the Faces audio because there doesn’t seem to be any quality difference with the DE (from the same transfer so it should be identical) and there are only two side changes to patch (using the US GOUT audio because the cut is no seemless) in each film. I’m finding that what should be the highest quality audio source is not always the obvious one. The ANH 85 mix was also pretty easy to edit, but the original theatrical versions have a lot of patching. Just about one patch in every reel, not including disc side changes.

I was also reminded of a 4th visual change to AOTC. Debating on that theatrical cut. I might resort to some DE type editing to improve the quality. Also debating on TPM, whether I should stay true to the broadcast or use the DVD to match my AOTC and ROTS theatrical versions.

So far the only subtitles I have completed are the TPM. I still need to do AOTC, ANH SE, ROTJ SE, ANH GOUT, and ROTJ GOUT. Since I am using the UK GOUT, I will have to time them and position them myself.

I am considering my previous work on the Blu-ray to be outdated. I have found other ways to do the universal color correction that I start with so I basically have to start over. Not completely, but mostly. My last attempt went a little too far, but produced some excellent results so I just need to try to back off of it a bit. Also, DrDre’s color corrections have provided some awesome references to compare to.

SilverWook said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Was the optical track on PSB really a different mix? I know that was the case for PG, but I thought the mono on PSB was just a folddown of the stereo. Honestly I can’t remember.

I’m also assuming there never was a mono mix of ROTJ… (right?)

That’s not 100% for certain. There were still a lot of theaters rocking mono well into the '80’s.

80’s… try 90’s here. We had a total of 7 Mann screens in two buildings. 6 of them mono until they closed. I ended up with the screen from one of them, but had to throw it out because it was cracked. That was after 90 and the 4 plex closed later. We also had a two plex with a mono and stereo theater and I remember I saw Blade Runner in 1992 in the mono theater and Gone With the Wind in the stereo theater. But I believe that along the way all the projectors became stereo compatible. That was the goal of the Dolby Stereo process… whether you have one speaker, two, or full surround, one print for all.

Possessed said:

Of course they aren’t terrible. They’re just terrible compared to the originals.

Pretty much my opinion. I’ve seen a lot of movies. They aren’t great by any means, but they aren’t that bad either compared to some out there. They are fun to watch, but when you dig below the surface, their failings are easy to see. And what have many Star Wars fans spent decades doing? digging. So we are more painfully aware of the flaws than most people. The casual viewer is not going to see all the flaws we do. All three of the PT were huge blockbusters - record setters in ticket sales. They were hugely popular movies. Bigger in some ways than the OT. They just don’t have the staying power because they are flawed and those who love the OT have various views on the level of bad those flaws drop these films to. They are Lucas at his worst, which I think is better than many other directors at their best.

Hardcore Legend said:

Lord Haseo said:

Interesting revelations not many people talked about:

Daisy Ridley confirmed The Last Jedi will have at least some ‘Grey’ in the film and a part of it will have to do with DJ

More signs pointing to this being Ezra Bridger.

Just because Rebels is exploring some of the same themes does not mean there is any connection between the characters. Snoke is more likely to be connected to Palpatine in some way. My personal two theories are that he is either Plagueis or one of those nameless lackies we saw in ROTJ who somehow escaped and took control of one of the splinters of the Empire. Either would be cause for him to hate Luke.

This is one of the areas where the PT messed up. According to the PT, Qui-gon taught Yoda and Obi-wan how to be force ghosts. No one taught Anakin so how did he become a ghost? Luck? Genius? By virtue of being the Chosen One?

I hope they don’t mess with the Force Ghosts except as dispensers of wisdom, like Ben was in the OT.

And I was comparing the maturing Hayden to the younger pictures of Shaw and there is definitely a resemblance.

This is one of the areas where the PT messed up. According to the PT, Qui-gon taught Yoda and Obi-wan how to be force ghosts. No one taught Anakin so how did he become a ghost? Luck? Genius? By virtue of being the Chosen One?

I hope they don’t mess with the Force Ghosts except as dispensers of wisdom, like Ben was in the OT.

And I was comparing the maturing Hayden to the younger pictures of Shaw and there is definitely a resemblance.

The thing about the presentation of this episode that has always bothered me was that even thought they had it in 16mm form, they never restored the original keeper’s voice, except where the shot didn’t exist in The Menagerie. They have obviously been able to clean up the audio for the missing sections, but that has never been fixed.

I do not have a copy of the ABC version to directly compare to, but my understanding is that it was extended to fit 3 hour time block and it included the extra scenes as in the Director’s cut DVD, and nothing was missing. I did see it several times at conventions and at one point I had a copy of it.

I have not done a scene by scene comparison, but just looking at it quickly. the original B&W/Color version of The Cage and the restored full color show very little differences. The DVD release has the original in 29.790 fps and the restored version in 23.976 fps. In places the hybrid runs faster and in others the restored runs faster. There are also noticeable frame drops in the hybrid during the B&W sequences.

I would prefer Snoke turn out to be Darth Plagueis the Wise to some convoluted saga rewrite.

Ian is the Emperor? Nice. But is it the SE dialog or edited back to the original dialog?

My, how fickle color is.

Also, different prints developed photo-chemically can turn out with slightly different color tones. That is my guess why they are so different.

TR-47 and Gonzo were the two best preservations of the Definitive Edition LD set before the DVD release in 2004. Both are user names… I think from here. The TR-47 set was 23.976 fps but was letterboxed SD (just like the GOUT discs). The Gonzo set was left at 29.970 fps but was cropped and enlarged to anamorphic widescreen. Both have a flaw in TESB. One of the side changes wasn’t done right in the original set and Gonzo used the original set while TR-47 used the corrected set, but neglected to edit out a few seconds of black at the same disc side change. Gonzo was recently available on Spleen. They were the best DVD versions of the best LD set and were sort of the Despecialized of their day (well, technically GOUT since the are the originals not edits).

I bought my TR-47 discs on Ebay. That was long before I found this place and knew it could be acquired for free. Others are likely in that boat. (I paid dearly for that mistake by getting a set with off center stick on labels that I had to peel off to make them playable and now the TESB disc is unreadable - good thing I made a copy - and I had to print my own covers… I can’t remember what kind of crap it came with).

Yes, in the Technicolor prints. I think the green was less in the Kodak prints. But from your work, I think that isn’t green but yellow (yellow over dark colors looks green) that we see in the Tech IB prints.

TV’s Frink said:

I find that answer truly baffling.

Different things bother different people. Continuity mistakes bother me and when an SE change that is nothing but a continuity mistake, it must go. The way I view the SE changes are if I think it improves the story, it stays. If I think it is continuity mistake it goes. It also makes a difference if I am making the edits how much work it takes.

NeverarGreat said:

yotsuya said:

thelonius said:

Give the guy a break, he aged at least four decades on only 19 years.

When you look at the ages of the actors who played him and consider that people’s skin age faster under harsh sun, the discrepancy shrinks. If you make the Clone Wars longer (three years is too short for such an epic, galaxy spanning, Republic destroying conflict) Owen and Beru’s ages make more sense in the PT and their apparent age in Ep 4 no longer is off at all.

Granted people can look older than they are, but Ewan McGregor was around 35 when filming ROTS, and Alec Guinness was in his 70s when filming Star Wars. Sure, actors don’t always play characters that are the same age, but unless it’s obvious through makeup or exposition it’s a good metric. I could see McGregor being as old as 45 in ROTS and Guinness being as young as 65, but it strains credulity:

I also can’t help noticing that Guinness’s nose and ears are proportionally much larger than McGregor’s, and this is a characteristic not of harsh environments but of advanced old age which only gets more pronounced in Empire and Jedi.

Alec Guinness was 62 when he filmed Star Wars in 1976. Ewan was 31 when he filmed AOTC. To me it seemed that they aged him for ROTS plus I think the Clone Wars should be much longer than 3 years (this is one of the many ages that makes more sense if it was longer. And 20 years on a planet like Tatooine can make your skin age an extra 10 easily, so either way, there is an extra decade that accounts for the aged look of the 3 residents of Tatooine in question.

I always assumed that Yoda knew Anakin because of his dialog in TESB. In TESB we learn the following, Yoda was a Jedi Master. He trained Obi-wan. He knew that Luke’s father was a powerful Jedi. He saw much anger in Luke, like his father (and then Obi-wan commented that he hadn’t been so different). In ROTJ, Yoda says there is another Skywalker (pending any new info in VIII or IX, that has been assumed to be Leia). So Yoda shows great familiarity with who Anakin was and is. It has never seemed far fetched that Anakin would have known him. His absence from any of Vader’s dialog has always indcated to me that he thought Yoda was dead - only Kenobi had been left to train Luke. The explaination I’ve always accepted, that I think was used in the EU, was that Yoda chose Dagobah because of the dark side cave (a place of evil it is) that could mask his presence. Someone posted above that Frank Oz always thought the character was more refined and on Dagobah in exile. Not only does that jive with the PT, but with what I had assumed prior to TPM.