Wow, you’re really killing it with this latest round of correction. The green edges are effectively reduced to a non-issue in that last image and everything looks vivid yet natural.
Have you not read what yoda-sama wrote?
Yes, but I am just curious if there are recent movies that used mono sound other than The Wind Rises or anything made by Filipinos.
The Wind Rises may be one of the very few examples of mono actually being used for an artistic purpose (and mostly done to match the time setting of the movie… even the sound effects [plane engines and all] were voiced by people), rather than due to limitations or cheapness. If you are wanting to live in a non-spatial world, no one is stopping you from learning how to down mix every stereo or surround track you come across for your own use, just don’t expect the Star Wars preservation community to rally around making and including mixes that never existed.
Don’t worry, invariably someone will make versions all the way down to DVD5’s.
All I’m taking away from that is there must be something really interesting on that ceiling…
Here’s the official 4K77 frame (work in progress at 4K):
Interesting how his pupils seem to get slightly larger on the color corrected one… Is that an illusion or did the process artificially expand them (ever so slightly)?
By 1983 the theatrical landscape had changed significantly from how things were circa 1977; stereo became the norm, where once mono was the lowest common denominator that had to be supported for widest reach. What you are hoping for really may not have officially existed as a mix unto itself, as the need for it had subsided and Lucas was very progressive, always pushing boundaries for video and audio quality (until he apparently lost his mind), never happy to be held back by artificial limitations. If you really want to watch the movie in mono, that is something you’d probably have to do on your own by just down-converting the audio and–very easily–muxing it into your mkv file; just know that if your intention is to have a theatrically accurate experience you won’t find that with mono for this film (unless you want to replicate a rundown '80s theater making do with a stereo film playing on their mono setup).
But really, it isn’t the amount of channels of audio that people are looking for with Star Wars films when talking about mono vs other mixes, it is about watching the film with subtle audio differences between the mixes. That definitely was the case with Star Wars, and I’m not sure but may have been the case with Empire (more so the early 70mm cut, if you want differences), though with Jedi there doesn’t seem to be a holy grail of slightly different released audio out there. But, if you find you’re still dead set to find mono for Jedi, then you’ll have lost the original point of wanting different mixes and be doing it for the technical difference of how many channels, rather than for the historical content.
If I may, though, I would suggest revising the rules to explicitly state links even that do not go to direct downloads are not permitted, that is if rule four was the violation to begin with.
Just don’t make ANY kind of direct connections on this site to any full works of technically pirated content, simple as that. The point of the rules here is to keep this a safe place for open discussion on these legally gray matters (not to mention all the perfectly legal topics which may outweigh the non). If we become a source of obtaining more than just information ABOUT these kinds of things, then we’re no longer a simple haven of free speech, but direct distributors of illicit content, and that would quickly be the end of us, no matter how permissive Lucasfilm/Disney has seemed to be thus far.
Don’t push these boundaries here. There’s no excuse you can argue that would be right. Just don’t do it.
At the size and distance Harmy and I both project, 1080p does leave something to be desired. Even more so if I interact with a proper desktop environment on that same setup. Computer work is where 4K and higher screens really become necessary, which is one of the things Harmy was championing. Working with something with fine text at a normal DPI will instantly show whether you’re at a high enough resolution for pixels to truly “blend together” at the distance you’re sitting. And even the scale of desktop objects alone (at normal DPI and settings) can be quite telling (12.5" screen of mine at 1080p is almost at the threshold of overkill, but at 140-150", you can really feel how cramped a 1080p desktop can be). For the most part, things look fine on the projector, but subtitles and other harsh contrasts can make things stand out as Harmy said, and then take into account that I’ve recently gotten a dead pixel on my projector, and once you have one of those, you can’t convince me a pixel can be invisible at any reasonable distance…
But really, the larger the screen (theaters, especially), whatever the resolution material they get, they should still go for a higher resolution projector than that, to keep from introducing unnecessary grid artifacts. One can say something shouldn’t be noticeable, but you can’t dispute the fact it still exists. You can mitigate all you want, but knowing people… once something is seen, it can’t be unseen. Good enough only stays that way for so long.
I was actually inspired by Mike Verta’s preliminary grading for this scene, although I reduced the brightness somewhat compared to Mike’s version.
Where the Hell is the Ronto?
USB 2.0 or 3.0?: My computers ports are 2.0 and the drive came with both 3.0 and 2.0 cords but only the 3.0 connection actually had the computer register a new BD drive. the 2.0 did not work.
I’ve looked up the manual for your model–just to make absolutely sure–and there’s not supposed to be two USB cords included, are you talking about one cord with two USB connectors on the end? Assuming that probability, when you’re running a drive like this over just USB 2.0, the second connector is for additional power (not a choice between USB versions), which a USB3.0 port would otherwise be able to supply through a single connector. With your setup, you should be plugging in both USB connectors so you have enough power. Try it again this way.
Also, Nero hasn’t been good in a long time, I’d advise against bothering with that at this point.
Iv got some homework and have to shower
Seems like necessary information to solve this pesky problem.
homework + shower = Amazing Dics!
@darthrush
We’re to the point we need you to be more specific about your setup, such as: the exact model number of your BD drive (plus which firmware it is on, if you can find that information), what operating system and version you’re on (win7, win10, pro/home, 64/32-bit, etc.), what burning program are you using (I’ve been assuming ImgBurn) and which revision (then we should dig into what steps you went through when using the program), where did you get your copy of the file and is it corrupt, whether you’re plugging into a USB3.0 or USB2 port, etc. (and whatever other information along this level of detail you can think to add).
I double checked - yeah, I’m using the windows 10 installed driver (10.0.10586.0) from 6/21/2006. Been working fine so I haven’t rocked the boat.
EDIT: OK - Odd the firmware listed above is the one found in the widows device manager. Imgburn is telling me the drive is using 3.01 the latest from pioneer - so maybe I did update it.
Driver (what the OS uses to communicate with a device) and firmware (on-device information that tells the device its purpose in this world) are different things.
I have to say that BDR-XD05+PlexDisc Liquid Defense Glossy+Canon Pixma922 = Amazing Dics!
Awesome Freudian there.
ImgBurn will tell you what speeds are available to write at, but yes 2x is around what I’m thinking.
While waiting on those other discs, might as well try another of your cheap discs at the lowest speed and see if you get a different result.
(Also, what speed are the discs themselves rated for?)
Discs were clean and if there was any error it was during the verification process (for both discs) which said “Check Condintion” and “Un Correctable Error”. But it burned and the everything seems to be on there. All special features and menus work wonderfully and most of each film plays fine until a certain section that literally won’t do anything but freeze every 2 seconds.
That’s the point of verification, to verify if the burn was good… meaning that even if the disc finished burning, if it doesn’t verify then something went wrong in the burning process (not that the verification process is bad at comparing burned data to source data)… Sure, perhaps not everything on the disc is fully corrupt and unreadable, but at no point should you have been surprised to find issues on a disc that failed verification.
What you should do at this point (in addition to buying better media), is to take a harder look at what you’re dealing with and what steps you took. What model Pioneer burner are you using, is there a firmware update for that model (a lot of media compatibility is added over time this way)? What speed did you burn at? Was it the maximum speed? If so, try it again on the slowest option available (this helps more than you’d think) (look at the dye of a fast and slow burned disc sometime, you’ll see a lot of inconsistent colors on the fast disc that you don’t see on the slow burned disc) (yes it’ll take a while, but you’re archiving here…).
Also, I’m not sure if this applies to double layer Blu-ray discs, but be aware that there’s more than one standard out there, with LTH (low to high reflectivity, which is the opposite of normal BD-R) discs being cheaper to produce but less compatible with older players and burners. In short, find out what your specific burner is known to work well with, not just what brands have worked for others here with different burners.
Star Trek 5 COULD be useful if Vader has issues getting the Emperor on the line in TRSB and gets God.
That’s the kind of uses I thought having more Star Trek movies on hand would allow for. Also it’d be funny if he then tunes in to a hologram of Gorignak from GalaxyQuest (since in 5 Kirk and company were originally supposed to find and fight rock monsters), before finally getting the Emperor (who should jump between original and SE Emperor footage throughout, I’d think).
(okay, I’m now subscribed to ALL of the ridiculous threads…)
I know this is a long way off, but getting you a copy of Star Trek Generations would be worth it, if only to see the Death Star take down the Enterprise D. The saucer section then crashes on Endor, taking out untold numbers of Ewoks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDiZPJ0V0ESurely I already suggested making my “Fire at Commander Will” line, right? Then cut to a beam hitting the drive section and it exploding. Don’t necessarily need the saucer crash…
If the two ideas combine, then the stupid scene in Insurrection where the joystick pops up for Riker to fly the Enterprise should be inserted, to place more blame on him for crashing…
I know this is a long way off, but getting you a copy of Star Trek Generations would be worth it, if only to see the Death Star take down the Enterprise D. The saucer section then crashes on Endor, taking out untold numbers of Ewoks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDiZPJ0V0E
That’d actually be pretty wonderful.
5 COULD be useful if Vader has issues getting the Emperor on the line in TRSB and gets God.
Adding there.
That’s the kind of uses I thought having more Star Trek movies on hand would allow for. Also it’d be funny if he then tunes in to a hologram of Gorignak from GalaxyQuest (since in 5 Kirk and company were originally supposed to find and fight rock monsters), before finally getting the Emperor (who should jump between original and SE Emperor footage throughout, I’d think)
(but these suggestions are, admittedly, not relevant to this particular thread…)
I get the impression he’s not interested in owning all of the Star Trek movies, judging by his comment of 2 & 6 being the only ones he wants to own.
That was loud and clear, but the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one…
Well, the cost of a complete set on DVD is barely a drop in the bucket right now, and there’s probably a lot of potentially “ridiculous” material available in those 6 movies…
It’s not a bad idea. Not sure it’s worth $8.50 however, as I have no interest in owning that film.
I wonder if there’s anything similar in Wrath of Kahn or Undiscovered Country?
I like how relaxed he is dressed, and yet still so Spock. But really, you’re not likely to find as perfect a comedic/serious/empathetic/knowing/condescending look from Spock in other films (it is palpably an “Awwwwww, I bet that is supposed to suck for you” kind of look), as Final Frontier is just made with a different spirit than the others (regardless of quality)… And honestly, if you watch it with cast and crew interviews in mind about this film, it is fun to see how all the production problems visibly alter the film as it progresses (all the narrative, technical and theological problems with the film make sense with that background knowledge), that and the comradery between the main characters in that film is really good… it is a shame the whole movie wasn’t just about them hanging out on vacation (as it began and ended with). Also, would it help soften the blow if you just got a box set of Star Trek movies?
(Alternatively, there is a DVD two pack of 5&6 right now for $7.25… But wouldn’t Blu-ray be a better source than DVD?) (Or all 6 original movies on DVD for ~$22) (Blu-ray of the same for $24.87 via warehouse deals…)
Hi Harmy, any little update about ESB v2.5?
Or any big update, if you have one of those instead?
Alternatively, there could simply be a random cutaway to this shot from Star Trek V, as if Spock is reacting to the conversation on the other side of the room?
I’m really starting to get used to this idea.
I didn’t want to set the world on fire. Just thought the line sounded funny.
And I didn’t mean to distract so much from the suggestion. It does sound kind of funny.
