yoda-sama

dahmage said:

Harmy said:

Actually, with the new, slightly altered, mission statement of making v3.0 something like what a proper official BD release of the unaltered versions would look like, I was thinking about using soft subs, which would match the theatricals as close as possible in shape and size (can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?) and have seamless branching for the crawls/credits of the foreign language versions.
Alternatively, seamless branching could be used for the subs as well and should be easy enough to do for Greedo but for Jabba, i would be a pain in the a.

I’m hoping to work directly with NJVC for the official release this time, so it would depend on what he thinks he could pull off.

I have quite a few idea’s that i would love to see happen if a blu-ray is part of the official release.

• PIP (BD-J required?) to show despecialization while watching the main movie.
• included script to swap which subtitles are included on the disc before burning.
• included script to swap which audio tracks are included on the disc before burning.

in fact, i would love to see the iso stripped of the main .m2ts file and distributed as a much smaller download, then with a script that muxes the mkv into the iso. In theory we could have an iso that is OK to distribute publicly. and also a way to have a normal sized download that gives you the mkv for local playback on a computer or smart-tv, but also a bonus of having all the pieces you need to generate the ISO before burning (But no need to keep the full ISO around taking up HD space).

But all of this takes work obviously. I don’t know if anyone has software that can do the PIP part (requires two video streams in the transport stream i believe, and the second one can be SD). So obviously that is a pie-in the sky dream.

But the rest with the script and all that i would love to see, and would be willing to help with. Sorry if i took this off-topic.

You do realize the kind of support questions we get as things are now is already frightening… What sort of world of hurt are you trying to bring down upon us?

Harmy said:

can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?

Both DVD and BD subtitle streams are image overlays of pre-rendered text, if I’m not mistaken, as long as you stick to a method like that I’d think you’d be able to establish a pretty consistent look. Branching opening crawls might be a world of hurt, though.

One big perk of soft subbing Greedo/Jabba scenes might be that people can choose between theatrically accurate placement and subtitles shifted into the black bars (I for one would enjoy an option of unobstructed image). And your preservation of the Han Shoots Only (First, as we know, is a misnomer) scene would be more widely accessible for others to use for examples or in their own projects; so… two, two big perks!

towne32 said:

Swift S. Lawliet said:

I think a Despecialized Edition without subtitles for the alien speech would go against the purpose of the Despecialized Edition’s mission.

Indeed. I completely understand the desire to have it look right in one’s native language. But a good amount of work went into the making and rendering of the text by (at least) Harmy, Catbus, and me. And it can’t be pulled off as effectively with a subtitle stream alone.

Maybe Catbus can answer: Are there packs of subtitles available for just the Greedo text (presumably rendered in the top portion of the screen) that people could mux in with their dub of choice?

Or… we could dive down the seamless branching rabbit hole!

Harmy said:

Thank all of you guys so much!!! We’re nearly there! I wanna get cracking on preparing the assets next week, so I’ll be buying the license on Sunday at the latest and by then I should at least have enough that I’d be able to cover anything that’s left myself. 😃
If the donations should reach more than I need for the Adobe CC, I’ll use the rest to buy hard-drives, because I’m planning to work with image sequences this time, which take up a lot of space (can be something like 4TB per movie) but can save a lot of trouble in the editing.

Check the fine print on what software you buy, I’ve heard that they’ve switched to only offering subscriptions, rather than perpetual licenses. Maybe you can get a slightly older copy of software you can keep… maybe it doesn’t even apply to what you’re using. I don’t know. This is what brought that to mind: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/01/23/0520227/ask-slashdot-what-is-your-view-on-forced-subscription-only-software

MusicallyInspired said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

I was doing some reading and found this…
“AVCHD is formatted for burning onto a Blu-ray Disk (BD) or even a dual-layer DVD (DVD-DL). This version usually downloads as a .ISO file (often with a .MDS file included). Not all soundtracks and subtitles are included in this version due to BD limitations. See this article to learn how to “mount” the .ISO file on Windows, Mac, or Linux.”

I’d like the MKV with all the features and audio, but if you convert this to AVCHD, it won’t lose the additional commentaries and stuff like that ? No loss of quality ?

AVCHD is a Blu-Ray burned to a DVD9, more or less. Converting the MKV to an 8GB AVCHD will lose quality. Just convert it to a BD25 and burn it to a single-layer Blu-Ray, then you won’t lose quality. Otherwise just download the AVCHD version and burn that to a dual-layer DVD (though it will only play in a Blu-Ray player).

Some DVD players can play AVCHD DVD9 discs can’t they? Probably not many if any, granted.

There’s no logical reason they should, as it is basically Blu-ray structured… I won’t say it is impossible, but certainly it’d be a bit ambitious.

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

I was doing some reading and found this…
“AVCHD is formatted for burning onto a Blu-ray Disk (BD) or even a dual-layer DVD (DVD-DL). This version usually downloads as a .ISO file (often with a .MDS file included). Not all soundtracks and subtitles are included in this version due to BD limitations. See this article to learn how to “mount” the .ISO file on Windows, Mac, or Linux.”

I’d like the MKV with all the features and audio, but if you convert this to AVCHD, it won’t lose the additional commentaries and stuff like that ? No loss of quality ?

If I hadn’t been reading all the other stuff you’ve been going on about I’d be totally, completely lost for your meaning here, but I think I follow… Are you still trying to figure out how to get these movies onto a Blu-ray disc? AVCHD as mentioned in the stuff you’re quoting is referring to the extra-compressed versions of the films that are particularly for those who can’t or won’t burn to Blu-ray, but still want a version of the movie to watch or share on discs, particularly cheaper discs like double layer DVDRs. The mentions of Blu-ray Disc and BD limitations, etc. are in regards to the AVCHD video standard used for the extra-compressed version being structured like Blu-ray and playable only in Blu-ray players despite technically being fit on a double layer DVDR. If you are wanting full quality on a disc and you already have the full quality MKV releases, there are some very simple steps to get it to be ready to burn to a BDR, as the video and audio are already made to be Blu-ray compliant (just have to run it through TSMuxer or some such first). If you want menus or anything fancy, in addition to being full quality, get the NJVC Blu-ray images as we’ve mentioned previously. And no (in reference to what you were asking Harmy earlier), don’t ever expect to be told directly where to download such things in this forum, anyone doing so shouldn’t, this is for discussion about these projects, not how and where to get them.

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

yoda-sama said:

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

would you print the art before you burned the disc ?

First off, sticky labels are a bad option, one of the big risks I didn’t notice anyone address this time is that the labels can come apart in the drive and ruin your hardware. Just don’t do it. As for inkjet printable discs, getting a good burn is really the harder part, I like to start with a really, really, really clean disc to reduce the possibility of a bad burn from a laser not writing correctly through a speck of dust or lint or something, and I don’t see how running it through a printer first is going to do that aspect the least bit of favor. Also, why waste ink on a disc that might not burn correctly anyway?

Perhaps do yourself another favor, get some really cheap inkjet printable discs to practice printing on (and I don’t mean BDRs, just get whatever is cheapest between single layer DVDR or CDR), so when you do have a good burn, you can be sure you don’t screw up the good disc with bad printing.

that sounds like a smart thing to do…especially seeing as how extremely expensive burnable blu-rays are…

I meant to include an important cautionary note: once you print a disc label, let it dry for 24 hours (especially ones that let you print really close to the hub). Don’t touch the label side, don’t put it in a player, don’t put it in a case, just place it off to the side and leave it to sit out in the open air for 24 hours.

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

would you print the art before you burned the disc ?

First off, sticky labels are a bad option, one of the big risks I didn’t notice anyone address this time is that the labels can come apart in the drive and ruin your hardware. Just don’t do it. As for inkjet printable discs, getting a good burn is really the harder part, I like to start with a really, really, really clean disc to reduce the possibility of a bad burn from a laser not writing correctly through a speck of dust or lint or something, and I don’t see how running it through a printer first is going to do that aspect the least bit of favor. Also, why waste ink on a disc that might not burn correctly anyway?

Perhaps do yourself another favor, get some really cheap inkjet printable discs to practice printing on (and I don’t mean BDRs, just get whatever is cheapest between single layer DVDR or CDR), so when you do have a good burn, you can be sure you don’t screw up the good disc with bad printing.

Harmy said:

That’s definitely allowed, no problem - if you can find someone, who’ll do it for free. Or even if you really just covered the cost of materials and no profit was made, I think that would be ok too.

And assuming he meets the other perquisites of owning the official SE releases, of course.

TheTrueSpottedfeather said:

Does the MKV version have more extras than the AVCHD versions ? If so, how do you burn the MKV versions ot blu-ray ?

The only “extra” is substantially increased video and audio quality. AVCHD is just the movie compressed to fit on a DVD-9, with limited audio tracks with lowered quality, MKV represents the full quality Harmy and friends have made available to us (which we can tell you how to burn onto a Blu-ray, if you’re interested, but it will be movie-only). You’d want to look at NJVC’s custom Blu-ray images for a version with extras that maintains the quality of the MKV.

pittrek said:

IMDB page for Petr Harmacek
http://rss.imdb.com/name/nm9422840/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

WOW! I had no clue!

And to top that all off, “Introducing the Sources” managed to get its own IMDB listing…

TV’s Frink said:

Padme’s mother.

Spoiler alert for AOTR

I used a deleted AOTC scene to imply they had a relationship prior to him meeting Padme.

So… Rather than like Mother like Daughter…

It is Daughter likes, Mother likes.

TV’s Frink said:

One small addition to the Padme funeral. Idea by SilverWook, execution (fx) by TM2YC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAsJc_DP7DI

So, whom is the lady thinking about half-naked Anakin?

TitusAndronicus said:

Bluto said:

I don’t have the checksums for these rar files, but I can give you the checksums for the extracted mkv of RotJ DeEd v2.5 MKV:

Those I have seen.

So, a technical follow-up question: let’s assume I actually downloaded an archive containing a malicious file, rather than the real DeEd. Will I harm my system just by extracting it so I can run the checksum on the extracted mkv? Or will I be OK as long as I don’t run any of the extracted files?

It probably isn’t worth it for you windows people to take the risk, especially if you’re on a computer that’s not your own, like a work computer. I’d say transfer it to something expendable (a VM, another windows computer, a Linux computer, a Linux live USB, just something else) and extract it there, if you have any reason to be concerned.

Oh, but if Frink said it, you’d take it more seriously?

Invictus said:

So with myspleen no longer accepting invites and tehparadox gone, how do we get these files?

Harmy said:

I still want to do ESB 2.5 but probably will just make it a quick update, changing just the most problematic shots.

Perhaps strangely, I’m honestly more excited about this announced possibility of an improved ESB dropping sooner than I am at seeing the ball start to roll on the 3.0 trilogy…

Looking forward to all of it. Thanks as always, Harmy.

a_o said:

Editroid said:

a_o said:

The G said:

I like it but I still prefer McDiarmid as the Emperor in ESB. It would be awesome to see a “canon-friendly” edition with the good changes and fit more in line with the new canon without all the unnecessary scenes and continuity errors created by the Special Editions and Prequels. (Mostly the Prequels.)

palp’s ROTS makeup looked pretty crappy.

Despite it getting an Oscar nomination.

I for one agree with the academy: no trophy.

This actually got a laugh out of me. And really, I doubt they got nominated specifically for Palpatine’s makeup, rather probably despite it (at the very least, that makeup obviously did nothing to help them WIN).

a_o said:

The G said:

I like it but I still prefer McDiarmid as the Emperor in ESB. It would be awesome to see a “canon-friendly” edition with the good changes and fit more in line with the new canon without all the unnecessary scenes and continuity errors created by the Special Editions and Prequels. (Mostly the Prequels.)

i wish they’d reshot that dialogue during ROTJ’s principal photography, or even during phantom menace’s filming. palp’s ROTS makeup looked pretty crappy.

At the very least they should have tried to make him look like he did in Jedi, rather than the hot off the presses (or force lightning to the face) look of RotS, even if they had to go fully CG. Completely ignoring continuity by having him look the same between RotS and Empire ruins any argument or hope that his appearance in Jedi is the result of aging from the natural progression of time and also possibly gradual withering effects related to the Dark Side of the Force. Rather it just shows they had no taste or vision while making these changes. Heck this brings me back around to my feelings about how they handled Palpatine in RotS, with how long it was after Jedi and they still had the same actor, they were in the PERFECT position to age him convincingly with only light makeup touches necessary to show the toll the Dark Side can start to have. Palpatine never came off as cartoonish in Jedi, and the actor himself ended up aging such that he looked increasingly recognizable to his original appearance. To purposely disfigure him in the goofiest way for the purpose of hamfisting in “continuity” was unnecessary as obviously just a little makeup work would have been enough to bridge the gap by hinting at advanced aging / dark preservation, but the chance to capitalize on then-relevant real life political news of a politician who was disfigured by an attack with acid which ended up actually helping his agenda… I guess it was just too much for our “innovative” pal Lucas to pass up.

TV’s Frink said:

Foiled again!

Just think of how you can now have Luke bouncing back and forth from the platform… I can just see it now…

TV’s Frink said:

Not for me, I stopped reading as soon as I realized what was about to happen. 😉

Except you’ll just have to exploit this for a Ridiculous ep 5…

Stuff like that is the only stuff Lucas should have edited… Honestly… Stuff that messes with story and continuity…

Oh, dammit… I was just watching ESB 2.0 for the heck of it while cleaning house, and saw something I never saw before and probably can’t unsee… at 1hr44min24sec you see Luke jump down from the carbon chamber platform, and then his head clearly pops back up into frame after he lands…

Switched at birth?

dahmage said:

yoda-sama said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t.

Please tell me that’s not an actual thing.

also, why does the Millennium Falcon have legs?

Because EU. (and you’re looking at it wrong)