Luke’s lightsaber coloring during the Wampa scene. You were going to leave it white at first. I was just stoked to have a visible contribution to the project, however small.
True, and in 97, while they changed the ending celebration, they obviously didn’t have Hayden to put in yet in the last scene and Jar Jar didn’t get the last spoken line. We didn’t know how not bad we had it.
Well, it made it easier to compare differences, and I was able to argue a noteworthy change into the final version. I do humbly point it out to people when I show them Empire.
I gotta agree that ROTJ has by far the worst changes. To make the SE of the original at least watchable all you really gotta do is splice out a few frames to make Han shoot first. Yeah, the Mos Eisley stuff and CGI Jabba is pretty bad, but they pale in comparison to “Jedi Rocks.” And Empire isn’t really harmed at all by the changes. I certainly don’t think any of them help or were at all necessary (the original is a perfect film as it is), but the worst is changing the line “Bring my shuttle.” Hardly Earth shattering. For the most part the changes were neutral. Had no positive or negative impact on the film. If only those types of changes were made to the other two as well, I wouldn’t complain too much.
The SE of Jedi, on the other hand, is totally unwatchable. “Jedi Rocks” is one of the worst things I have ever seen, without exaggeration. Absolute cringe. I have no idea what Lucas was smoking, but I hope I never inhale any of it. The Little Sarlaac of Horrors is terrible too, and don’t even get me started on the “Noooooooo” and Hayden Christensen with his creepy ghost smirk. What little was left of Vader’s dignity from the prequels was robbed by those changes.
Luke saying “You’re lucky you got outta there” rather than “You’re lucky you don’t taste very good”, Boba Fett’s Jango voice over, and the new Emperor footage and dialogue, are other showstoppers in Empire… Not to mention the out-of-place CGI background distractions in Cloud City.
OK, so I have v2.0 cut assembled and I have the audio tracks from hairy_hen but I’d still like a few volunteers to check out a final workprint before I do the final release. Any takers?
Count me in, I was able to help out when you did the same thing for Empire.
The current 35mm is quite good, and really showcases what was years of well spent effort. It is funny to think back on how dubious this project was considered for so long, this day was often not expected to ever come, yet it finally has. Not only that, but the impact TN1’s efforts have had on the projects they have shared with has been incredible. The entire Original Untouched Trilogy fan base owes you fathomless gratitude.
… but, with that bit of on-topic said, I’m really excited by what we’ve been shown of the Technicolor process. That done for the whole movie, cleaned up, and hopefully recovering the missing GOUT frames, would really be the ultimately impressive fan preservation.
“I kept my mouth shut and did not suggest that providing both versions would satisfy everybody.” – Marc Wielage
Finally, we know who to blame. …Get him!
Indeed, it may be an issue of a poor reencode (done by someone else, not up to Harmy’s standards), or corruption. Mind telling us a few things about your copy, like file size, etc.? And I might as well ask, if we provide you the hash, do you know how to use checksums to verify the integrity of your file?
He only accepts submissions via horseback carrier.
A marvelous effort. You have given us a precious gift and we eagerly await the competition of the trilogy. Those of us who have tried our hand at editing and experienced how time consuming it can be will wait with the necessary patience.
The competition of the trilogy.
hedonistic voice: Let the games begin…!
If I might make one suggestion. Whether you decide to GOUT sync or not, if you want credit for your work it might be best to do as Harmy did on his releases and put your credit at the end of the film. I suggest this since anyone who would want to mix in their preference of the plethora of audio and subtitle options out there to your footage would either have to offset or modify everything they add or, more likely, do as the current 720p GOUT synced copy on the spleen did and remove your credit at the beginning of the film. I added hairy_hen’s DTS-HD MA 5.1 track quite simply to that 720p GOUT synced version, and the result was glorious, even despite the occasional missing frame placeholders, and is about how I think I would preserve and distribute this with respect to your final version; it would be regrettable having to do so without credit to you.
Can’t wait!!!
Around here with that attitude, it is best to prepare for disappointment, haha.
At the end of the training remote session with Luke talking to Ben, what are the green ovals in the top right with white scribbled lines for?, in the last sentance or so before you cut to the Death Star board room
I think those are just reel change markers. It’s something we no longer see in digital projection, or on home video, but would definitely be present in 1977. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_mark for more info.
Hope that helps. 😃
Also, if you’re up for watching “Fight Club”, in it there is a very notable explanation of cue marks and reel changes (and some uncouth things projectionists could have had leeway to do, if they chose).
So, we should not expect GOUT sync for the 1.1 MKV? Are at least the found 85 frames of the missing 111 frames going to be inserted?
If Chouonsoku is the same person I’m thinking of from a very quality oriented encoding site, then I’d also suggest paying extra consideration to what he (she?) has to say.
Edit: Chouonsoku has since added a profile pic, definitely the same person I’m thinking of.
The sky is not supposed to be blue, but “greyish”
Color correction discussions are often quite entertaining.
HEY MAN I’M LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW AT THE SKY RIGHT NOW AND THAT SHIT IS BLUE
You able to see both suns from your window, or do you have to wander outside at dusk to see that?
One thing I’ve been concerned about for a while is that you often mentioned AVCHD, should we take it that you’re trying to burn the ~7GB AVCHD versions of all the films? (since you mention jedi 1.0, you’re obviously doing this for at least one of the three) Since you went through the expense of getting a full-on Blu-ray burner and you’re not sure whether your player supports AVCHD (not all do), then it would be best to now focus on getting the full quality MKVs for SW and Empire (and wait for Harmy to put out his v2.0 of Jedi), and then use TSMuxer (as often discussed here) to make playable Blu-ray ISOs you can burn to recordable single layer Blu-ray discs. This method should yield the best compatibility and also give you the best image and sound.
I have tried to read through some of this thread, but I don’t understand much about this topic. My situation is this:
I have the MKV files for the first 2 movies on my computer. My computer has an HDMI out slot. I play one of the files in VLC on my computer, plug an hdmi cable into a receiver, which puts my computer screen on my tv. When the movie is played, it looks and sounds surprisingly good on my tv (surprising because I didn’t know how else to play these files on my tv, but noticed my old desktop does in fact have an hdmi slot).
So I am wondering if my method is not the preferred one, if peoples’ computers just don’t have hdmi slots, or if there’s some better way of doing this process?
And also, does anyone know off hand what the optimal settings would be in VLC and/or my receiver for playing this? On my test run I believe I switched the sound on VLC to 5.1, and my receiver to 7 channel audio. (btw this is not my receiver and tv, and I know little about this stuff).
As it seems I’ve been championing, outputting straight to your TV/receiver through HDMI is a great method until nicely polished BD versions are available. If you want to get the most out of this kind of setup, though, you’ll want to look into how to “passthrough” HD audio to the receiver. I’m not sure how adept VLC is at that, versus just decoding the audio itself, so I’d recommend looking up (I’m assuming you’re on Windows, here) how to do passthrough audio with players like MPC-HC and Kodi. At the very least for Kodi I know you have to change some settings in Windows to use WASAPI rather than directsound to properly passthrough the full HD audio track, rather than core DTS, or worse decoding locally. http://kodi.wiki/view/Windows_audio
Your argument is well rounded.
I call ring-bearer!
You cants just takeses such a precious position…
WRONG RING
Who made you Lord of the Ring?
I obviously called it first.
Exactly the sort of circular logic I would expect from a ring enthusiast.
I call ring-bearer!
You cants just takeses such a precious position…
WRONG RING
Who made you Lord of the Ring?
I call ring-bearer!
You cants just takeses such a precious position…
I meant to question doing everything but just playing the files straight from a computer in their original form if all you want to do is watch them. Going to extremes to burn discs when you don’t have the equipment to create or view the discs or spending hours of frustration trying to make something play on hardware not intended to play files like these, and God knows what cost to quality, is what I question if other options are not also considered first.
To be clear, I’m a big fan of media I can hold in my hand, not ethereal bits floating around God knows where. If the DeEd project ever settles on versions and especially has an official BD structure with menus and everything, I’m all over burning it and archiving it unaltered. There’s every reason to burn these to disc if that’s something you’re into. Personally, while the DeEd versions are in flux, I’ve found it best for me to stay up to date by playing the files directly, rather than burning works in progress and wasting BD media as they update. As things stand now with the project, unless there are specific playback requirements (consistency across different hardware, gifts to people, playing it at random locations/events), I don’t see burning discs as the best first option. We’ll get there before long, but I just don’t see it that way yet.
I didn’t mean to come off as blasting the idea of writable/archival media in general.
I don’t see how a Blu-ray player connected over HDMI to a TV is supposed to look dramatically different than a PC hooked up the exact same way, I think your calibration comment is moot in this instance.
If your TV is calibrated for rec.709 for your Blu-ray player, but it isn’t calibrated for RGB for your PC, then it very much will look different, and the Blu-ray will be better. Since most calibrators only calibrate for rec.709 anyway, it’s very non-moot.
I’m not saying the point is not a good one in general, but I’m pretty sure the guy who can’t settle on one option to play the DeEd and can’t format a USB drive isn’t going to have a screen that’s already specially calibrated for one HDMI source over another. I meant it is moot to him, and even bringing it up could confuse him further.
And since my original general rant has now ended up laser focused on Joey, we should really focus on figuring out what he’s wanting. Is he wanting this just for personal use, or to share with friends/family, is he seeing buying a burner and/or player or formatting a USB drive (have we even figured out what he was trying to plug it into?) as his only hope to watch it on a TV? Does he have a computer he can use temporarily (or permanently), if he JUST wants to watch the movies? Does he want a pretty BD case? …Is his TV professionally calibrated?
All this talk of calibration or the ways you guys might like to archive stuff or make boxes, etc. is not coming from anything he’s said, but what you like to do. Let’s get his actual requirements first, and then see if any of our preferences fit his needs before we push anything else on him.
I have all of these options at my disposal. First of all, any streaming option that downsamples the video is straight out of the question.
As my PS3 is hacked to play MKVs and use NTFS drives, that is the most straight forward way to play them and often what I do. For things that I intend to keep as long as possible, I burn to BD-R to put on the shelf and keep as a physical backup to whatever HDD(s) it may be on. It also allows for portability so I can easily bring it to a friend’s house, or make a 1:1 copy to give to a friend in some cases.
I didn’t say anything about downsampling, the whole point of using a computer is to avoid that, even the FireTV Stick option I stated to sideload Kodi, which plays the file straight, not downsampled like Plex or something along those lines would do.
And it is great that you have a hacked PS3 as your straight forward way to play files, but you do realize that this is very much the equivalent of having a PC dedicated to being a straight forward way to play files… It is the exact same point I was making, just with a slightly different hardware choice.