yhwx

What a weird series of consecutive tweets.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/904899243906879488

Big week coming up!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905038986883850240

Congress, get ready to do your job - DACA!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905047095488516098

I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.

JEDIT: It seems as if he retweeted a pro-Trump account labeled “The Trump Train” and has his photo as his avatar:

https://twitter.com/The_Trump_Train/status/905040389610057728

Make no mistake, we are going to put the interest of AMERICAN CITIZENS FIRST!

The forgotten men & women will no longer be forgotten.

Looks like a Trump sock account.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/05/trump-administration-announces-end-of-immigration-protection-program-for-dreamers/?utm_term=.1a31f10260e0

The Trump administration announced Tuesday it would begin to unwind an Obama-era program that allows younger undocumented immigrants to live in the country without fear of deportation, calling the program unconstitutional but offering a partial delay to give Congress a chance to address the issue.

The decision, after weeks of intense deliberation between President Trump and his top advisers, represents a blow to hundreds of thousands of immigrants known as “dreamers” who have lived in the country illegally since they were children. But it also allows the White House to shift some of the pressure and burden of determining their future onto Congress, setting up a public fight over their legal status that is likely to be waged for months.

In announcing the decision at the Justice Department, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that former president Barack Obama, who started the program in 2012 through executive action, “sought to achieve specifically what the legislative branch refused to do.”

He called it an “open-ended circumvention of immigration law through unconstitutional authority by the executive branch,” and said the program was unlikely to withstand court scrutiny.

Trump issued a statement saying Obama made “an end-run around Congress” that violated “the core tenets that sustain our Republic.” He added that there can be “no path to principled immigration reform if the executive branch is able to rewrite or nullify federal laws at will.”

Such endurance.

I wonder if there are any socks around here that are never caught.

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

Anchorhead said:

imperialscum said:

MalàStrana said:

He decides to make a jump that could have killed him. For example.

And how did that develop/change the character? It is just another act of recklessness…

I’ll add to Mala’s point and say I don’t think he saw it as a fall that could have killed him. I think from the look of resignation on his face, he saw it as a fall he knew would kill him. I think it’s significant character development. He sees only two ways out: death or give in to Vader. It’s subtle in its execution (to the audience) but it’s far from the reckless kid we met in Star Wars. He’s willing (and attempts) to make the ultimate sacrifice to beat Vader and he makes peace with that decision. Nowhere near reckless.

Like I said, no matter how we call it, it is the same trait we have seen many times before. Attack on the death star was an “ultimate sacrifice” and he was basically choosing a very likely death too. When it comes to ESB, he basically made the decision to sacrifice himself already on Dagobah by going to face Vader in the first place. I do not see any significant change in character at all, especially after he decides to go for another one at the very end of ESB.

Now I am not saying that this any of this makes his character bad. I actually like it. It is just that his character does not develop a lot pre-ROTJ.

• edit - What Alderaan said.

Luke deciding to go with Vader instead of jumping would actually be a change of character.

There’s a big difference between participating in a high risk operation and choosing certain death. In one case you accept the high risk associated with the mission, which you believe can be achieved, and you hope your skills and your friends will be able to get you home alive and well. In the second case you die, end of story. It was a seminal moment in the saga, where Luke after many reckless choices refused to join his father, and resigned to his fate, and Vader failed despite winning their fight with relative ease.

Well both attack on death star and going to face Vader on Bespin were similarly suicide missions. Both had very similar outcomes as well. In the first case, Luke ended up alone in the trench, facing the choice of retreat or certain death (i.e. continue the mission). He chose the second and he would certainly die if Han did not miraculously save him. In the second case, Luke ended up without hand, facing a choice of joining Vader or certain death (i.e. jumping). He chose the second and he would die if antenna did not miraculously save him.

His choices/actions are practically the same in very similar situations. In this particular respect his character did not change.

By that same metric, Luke doesn’t change in ROTJ. He goes on a mission he acknowledges might kill him. He’s even more cocky than in the previous films.

I thought all the “Walmart” gas stations were Murphy USA or something like that.

Warbler said:

I like to see if I can gain any wisdom/insight by re-reading and reconsidering these things.

Did you, in this case? Don’t leave me hanging.

Thought maybe people here might like to know/be interested, that I do that.

Grammar tip: you don’t need a comma in between “interested” and “that I do that.” You’re not joining two clauses there.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

I don’t know why people have this image of me of always pooping out new threads every five minutes. That’s not true. In my tenure here of about one year and four months, I have made about 15 threads. Looking from this old index, the infamous Frink had already made much more than that in a similar timeframe. This is the full list of threads I have ever created on this website, excluding private topics (of which I have only made one):

• Measurements Thread
• Darth Ignominious (Also Known As: “Darth Id”)
• Ranking Pizza
• Font Choice
• The “I’m Butthurt About Somebody Else’s Opinions/Posts/Whatever” Thread
• Improving the Diversity of This Forum
• Your Opinion on Me
• The Index Thread for Franchises, General Human Endeavors, and Other Discussion Threads
• Weird Symbols
• Episode IX Discussion Spoiler Thread
• Sandwich or Not?
• The Great American Solar Eclipse, 2017
• The “Best Thread” Thread

I’ll willingly concede two that probably should not have been made: the Measurements thread and the Butthurt one. Your Opinion on Me, I’m a bit more wishy-washy on. The others can be justified. If you don’t like the Darth Id thread, you probably shouldn’t like the impscum thread, and I guess if you don’t, more power to you. You might disagree with Font Choice, but it was about a legitimate grievance I had at the time that forum software was released. Weird Symbols was a useful bug report. A lot of people didn’t like Diversity but I felt there was room to discuss a problem that we still struggle with today. I can’t think of anything objectionable about the Episode IX thread or the Eclipse thread. I haven’t seen anyone who actively dislikes the Index thread. If you don’t like the Sandwich or Not? or Ranking Pizza threads, I’m not sure why you’re hanging out in off topic.

If you want somebody who makes countless pointless threads, look at Spuffure, not me.

Lol.

>:^(

fypfy

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Where’s ol’ Spuffy keeping himself these days, anyway?

Probably back in school.

His last activity was back in mid-July. No reasonable school starts then.

http://www.myajc.com/news/local-education/yes-the-first-day-school-really-does-come-earlier-every-year/JnxZmvAdkWo5bacypjsssK/

Your first mistake is assuming that any school district is the least bit reasonable.

Sorry. I had faith in humanity.

Regarding that story, I had actually heard of it. It does kind of stink.

Jeebus said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Where’s ol’ Spuffy keeping himself these days, anyway?

Probably back in school.

His last activity was back in mid-July. No reasonable school starts then.

I don’t know why people have this image of me of always pooping out new threads every five minutes. That’s not true. In my tenure here of about one year and four months, I have made about 15 threads. Looking from this old index, the infamous Frink had already made much more than that in a similar timeframe. This is the full list of threads I have ever created on this website, excluding private topics (of which I have only made one):

• Measurements Thread
• Darth Ignominious (Also Known As: “Darth Id”)
• Ranking Pizza
• Font Choice
• The “I’m Butthurt About Somebody Else’s Opinions/Posts/Whatever” Thread
• Improving the Diversity of This Forum
• Your Opinion on Me
• The Index Thread for Franchises, General Human Endeavors, and Other Discussion Threads
• Weird Symbols
• Episode IX Discussion Spoiler Thread
• Sandwich or Not?
• The Great American Solar Eclipse, 2017
• The “Best Thread” Thread

I’ll willingly concede two that probably should not have been made: the Measurements thread and the Butthurt one. Your Opinion on Me, I’m a bit more wishy-washy on. The others can be justified. If you don’t like the Darth Id thread, you probably shouldn’t like the impscum thread, and I guess if you don’t, more power to you. You might disagree with Font Choice, but it was about a legitimate grievance I had at the time that forum software was released. Weird Symbols was a useful bug report. A lot of people didn’t like Diversity but I felt there was room to discuss a problem that we still struggle with today. I can’t think of anything objectionable about the Episode IX thread or the Eclipse thread. I haven’t seen anyone who actively dislikes the Index thread. If you don’t like the Sandwich or Not? or Ranking Pizza threads, I’m not sure why you’re hanging out in off topic.

If you want somebody who makes countless pointless threads, look at Spuffure, not me.

TV’s Frink said:

You could have done so without posting again.

Similarly, you could have just let this be but you dropped a turd instead.

ray_afraid said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Why are you buying anything from your gas station? (other than gas, of course)

FTFCA

Well the big chain has stations are probably okay. In fact Casey’s have really good pizza that’s actually prepared fresh on location and not shipped in Frozen and it’s as good as any chain pizza joint.

I highly doubt that.

JEDIT: nvm, you said “chain” pizza joint. Still I wouldn’t trust anything at a gas station.

Well the one where I live you can actually see the kitchen, they have actual food workers not just the clerk running back and forth throwing things in the microwave like other gas station food.

Apparently where Frink lives it’s still 1975 and every gas station is a dingy den of filth. Most of the stations in my city look like sterilized, futuristic diners with gas pumps out front.

TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Why are you buying anything from your gas station? (other than gas, of course)

FTFCA

Well the big chain has stations are probably okay. In fact Casey’s have really good pizza that’s actually prepared fresh on location and not shipped in Frozen and it’s as good as any chain pizza joint.

I highly doubt that.

JEDIT: nvm, you said “chain” pizza joint. Still I wouldn’t trust anything at a gas station.

Well the one where I live you can actually see the kitchen

If they have an actual kitchen then they’re not a gas station, they just happen to also sell gas.

Meh. If I can by gas there, it’s a gas station.

Some gas stations around here do look modern, but a lot of them look like schlocky places where you wouldn’t want to use the bathroom.

OK, I drop this argument.

No.

Your argument is totally incoherent and contradicts itself. First, you tell me that making one countdown post in this thread is annoying, despite the fact that the last time I made one was close to a month ago, and the gap between that one and the one preceding it was long as well. The last countdown post I made was also in a completely different thread.

Now, let me ask a question: Why was my posting in that other thread annoying? Maybe the proposition that I was missing the point of that thread is correct, but why should it annoy you? Are you so obtuse that somebody using one little thing the wrong way annoys you? Also, threads can meander from their original purpose. That’s something you seem repeatedly unable to comprehend.

I’m just tired of this stuff.

If me trying to defend myself is annoying, then so be it.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You are correct, I did use it. However, I think you are invalid for making fun of me for it since I think the irony behind that thread is invalid.

Every additional post you make in this thread just further proves my point.

I just feel like I’m wrongly criticized for a lot of things here.

You are correct, I did use it. However, I think you are invalid for making fun of me for it since I think the irony behind that thread is invalid.

Why do you think it’s something that I would do? I don’t like pimping myself up; in fact, I feel quite self-deprecating at times.

imperialscum said:

MalàStrana said:

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

DrDre said:

imperialscum said:

ROTJ had some of the best character development in OT. While Han’s character development in ESB was great, I think Luke’s and Vader’s character developments in ROTJ were even a level above that.

I disagree. The Luke/Vader arc was great, but it was the only significant arc in the film. The other characters were just going through the motions, shells of their former selfs. TESB had great arcs for all the main characters. Every character was in a very different place personally at the end of the second installment from where they started off. This puts TESB miles ahead of ROTJ in the character development department.

Different place in terms of character? Not entirely true. For example, Luke does not actually change much in ESB. He is still this enthusiastic and reckless guy as he was at the beginning. He leaves Yoda’s training pretty much the same person (recklessly nonetheless). Leia again does not change much besides finally revealing her feelings to Han. The only one with a significant change is Han’s character. It is unfortunate that Lucas made Leia proclaim her love to Han already in ESB. I think iff he would leave that for ROTJ, those two character could be used way better in ROTJ.

In ROTJ Luke becomes completely different person compared to ANH and ESB. Same goes for Vader. While Vader was likeable and badass in ANH and ESB, he was pretty one dimensional. In ROTJ his character get a lot of depth and becomes very interesting. Even Leia and Han actually get development in ROTJ and are considerably different compared to ANH and ESB. While it might be a development you do not like but it is still a considerable development.

Anyway, I did not say ROTJ is overall the best in terms of character development. I just said that Luke’s and Vader’s character development are individually better than anything seen in ANH or ESB.

Luke doesn’t change much? Seriously? You throw out a pretty part of the story. I think this guy…

You are unable to differentiate between current state of the character due to some external “disturbance” and actual change/development of character. That scene is just Luke still being shocked due to the reveal and due to trauma related to his damn limb being cut off. So what exactly are the actions and dialogue he makes after that scene that indicate any difference (within ESB of course)? In the one scene that is left after that one I do not see any change of character.

I disagree. For one a person who experiences trauma is never the same after such an external “disturbance”. This is the very nature of trauma, and Luke experienced trauma in more ways than just physical injury. He went to Cloud City, believing he might be able to save his friends from the clutches of the man who murdered his father, only to come up one hand short, and discovering that his noble hero father is the ultimate bad guy. A man is, what he believes in, and everything Luke believed, has turned out to be a lie. I would call that a life changing event. The Luke at the end of TESB definitely is no longer the naive young rebel he was at the start of the film. He is now a Jedi in training, who’s life has been turned upside down. The idea that he would just get a new hand, and go on as if nothing has happened (which is what you seem to suggest) is ludricous to me.

I do not necessary disagree with with your assumptions, but if we look at the dry facts, in the one scene that is left in ESB there is nothing that indicates any change in character. There are no actions or dialogue that would indicate so.

He decides to make a jump that could have killed him. For example.

And how did that develop/change the character? It is just another act of recklessness that we have seen so many before and is pretty much Luke’s pre-ROTJ trademark.

It’s not recklessness; it’s nobility. Luke would rather subject himself to likely death than to turn to the dark side.

Possessed said:

even made my own version of a thread about it.

?

That might be a fair point. Still, I feel like I am sometimes treated unfairly in comparison to the other forum members.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

8,687

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

No, just my countdown threads.

Rules are meant to be broken, and I will break this rule.

Hey if you want to keep annoying people I can’t stop you.

If you follow this premise to its conclusion, Possessed is also annoying.

Your conclusion is terrible.

He did the same thing as I did, therefore, the same result must follow.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

8,687

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

No, just my countdown threads.

Rules are meant to be broken, and I will break this rule.

Hey if you want to keep annoying people I can’t stop you.

If you follow this premise to its conclusion, Possessed is also annoying. So:

darth_ender said:

Up your!

imperialscum said:

Alderaan said:

imperialscum said:

I do not necessary disagree with with your assumptions, but if we look at the dry facts, in the one scene that is left in ESB there is nothing that indicates any change in character. There are no actions or dialogue that would indicate so.

You don’t need to be shown everything on screen. Don’t fall into the Lucas trap.

Well I am not the guy who would need to be shown everything on screen but when it comes to characterisation the only thing that can actually develop the character is dialogue and (even more so) actions. Unfortunately, assumptions do no develop characters.

Not everything needs to be said or acted out loud for the audience to get it. That’s called inferencing.