yhwx

christianluce69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

christianluce69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Welp, guess I don’t need to bother with this thread anymore.

And I’m guessing you weren’t born in 1969.

I wasn’t born in 1969. I chose 69, 'cause ya know? The sexual position. Heh heh. I’m a dork.

Cool picture! What is it of? Did my thread offend you or something? Why do you care if I was born in 1969 or not? Why did you say you don’t want to bother with my thread. Sorry if I sound dumb. I guess I’m not getting your humor.

He thought that what you said was obvious. Remember that guy who said “the planet’s one big city” in TPM? That is what the picture is of.

christianluce69 said:

dahmage said:

I always thought Owen had good common sense. Luke should have listened to him.

Might have had a profitable moisture farm and could have retired to a proper tropical island.

Luke was a crybaby! He didn’t listen to Owen like you mentioned, he whined and questioned Yoda’s teaching, and even though this site has to do with the original trilogy, Luke was a coward in the new film…episode 8. Kylo Ren was his student and when he turned evil, Luke turned his back on the the Jedi! I mean…come on, Vader was Obi-Wan’s student and Obi-Wan didn’t turn his back on the Jedi! I liked Luke the least out of all of them.

Yes, he made a mistake but he got back on the correct path. That’s one of the main themes of the movie.

After a rewatch, my opinion of the film still holds. Absolutely excellent.

But still, that horse scene, amirite?

I’m going to try to ask this question earnestly.

How many good things are going for Trump?

I ask it because others may have a view that I don’t have. I’m much more inclined to give a negative response due to my own political views and where I get my news, so I’d like to see what others have to say.

Well, you kind of stumped me there. I don’t think I try to associate with many groups, which I think may be part of my aversion to labels that I described a few months back. But I guess if I were forced to answer your question, I’d say there’s very few or no group that I believe to have universally good ideologies.

darth_ender said:

I don’t think the newspapers or national networks are much more objective than cable programs, but I did deliberately choose polarized examples.

So, how do you feel that traditionally thought of as left-leaning outlets skew the news?

SilverWook said:

Dammit, Frink! Now they’ll make a Jenga movie! 😛

They made an emoji movie.

darth_ender said:

Does that answer your question?

No, I wasn’t talking about excommunication. I was talking about groups with ideologies more generally. Lemme see if I can explain myself a little better:

• A group at large holds an amount of ideologies.
• Some of those ideologies may be bad ones.
• A person who identifies with that group says that they only support the good/laudable ideologies of the group, not the bad ones.
• Hence the question: at what point does a group hold so many bad ideologies that it becomes necessary to disassociate from the group?

This is probably best suited for another thread… but which?

On a sort of unrelated subject, at what point would it become beyond the pale for a person to associate with a certain group that has bad ideas? We see this all the time: group is associated with bad ideas, person in group says they aren’t in group for those bad ideas. But at some point those bad ideas must become the group.

darth_ender said:

I think that is very illustrative of the news culture today. Don’t get me wrong, I think Trump is a slimy, dangerous schmuck who has hijacked the GOP and exposed a number of its adherents for the gullible fools that they are. However, there is no real news anymore. Either there is Fox News, which always puts a positive spin on every idiotic thing the president does, or there is CNN and MSNBC, who will probably come out with articles in the near future alleging that Trump can’t fart right or brushes with toothpaste made in a North Korean sweat shop. There is virtually no objectivity any longer.

I find it interesting you only cited examples of cable news outlets. Cable news outlets were never really high standard-bearers of journalism.

darth_ender said:

First, I don’t share the same views as my church on most matters in this regard.

Second, my point is that people misconstrue the kindness my church tries to extend. Yes, my church does believe that gays should not have the right to marry. But that is not the same as discriminating in the workplace, in medical care, or elsewhere. My church, in spite of that belief, tries to be very embracing and tries to stifle intolerance. There is clearly a difference with believing something is immoral and actively trying to harm or stifle the person doing that something.

So, your church believes that gay people should have some rights but not all of them? That seems like unnecessary fence sitting. While it isn’t directly harming gay people, saying they shouldn’t marry does harm their right to liberty and pursuit of happiness — and there’s no good reason to not let them marry.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

If she was horizontal people would complain she was Superman. Instead they complain she’s Mary Poppins. #cantwin

They should have mad her diagonal.

And then everyone would have been made about it.

What you did there, I see it.

TV’s Frink said:

If she was horizontal people would complain she was Superman. Instead they complain she’s Mary Poppins. #cantwin

They should have made her diagonal.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Use of “Mary Sue” is discussed here.

Just there huh?

Lol.

I know that it’s been discussed in other threads; this is just the freshest instance.

Use of “Mary Sue” is discussed here.

In fitting with the Star Wars tradition, I’m sure Force ghost Luke will sit on a log and explain all of this to Rey.

Mrebo said:

There is a relatively small matter I’d like views on: accents in the film. I think Boyega sounds much more engaging in his natural accent. Do you think it would have been better for him to speak naturally?

I actually thought that his fake American accent was better her than in TFA. Not sure if that’s just me or the overall acting being more convincing, but those are my two cents on that.

And what about the southern-accented alien (played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt, apparently) at the Casino who reported Finn and Rose to the police? And Tim Hardy was to be to be a southern-accented Stormtrooper in a scene that was cut. Are certain accents, like Southern, too specific to feel right in Star Wars?

I don’t see how “southern” is a specific accent. I mean, it’s an accent like all others with gradations and a large number of speakers. I don’t see any problems with it… and, accents probably have whole different meanings in the galaxy than in our Earth.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TFA didn’t make a big deal about Rey’s parents, Rey did and people on the internet did.

WYSHS

True. Point being though that only Rey cares and this doesn’t change in TLJ. Anytime she brings up Jakku in TFA people think she’s crazy for still caring. Maz outright tells her to forget about her parents.

Making Rey’s parents an issue was a creative choice in the film. Rey’s pining for her parents was the chip on which the story salsa was conveyed, but she is not independent from the film. TLJ made a point not only that her parents didn’t care about her (which was sort of obvious) but that they were nobody. And why would we have thought they were somebody? Because the film set up that intrigue - deliberately exploiting expectations of people on the internet, to be sure. A film attempting to stand apart from the OT shouldn’t do that.

This point for me is more what Luke would call a “a cheap trick” but it’s there. Can’t pretend it’s solely the fault of fans or that dastardly rogue Rey.

No. No one in TFA asks who Rey’s parents are, not even her. In fact, there’s no reason to believe in TFA that she doesn’t know who they are. They are mentioned a few times, but the question mark is all audience. They are only important for Rey’s character. And in that regard, they are important, sure. Rey is waiting for them. This aspect informs her arc in both films. But there is nothing in TFA that suggests that her parents must be, themselves important, beyond their relationship to Rey. Nothing at all.

If you thought they might be somebody, it’s only because Rey thought so too and hoped so. Which makes her learning that they’re nobody devastating in the same way that Luke learning that his father didn’t die and is no longer a Jedi did in ESB. And that’s a good thing.

I didn’t think that Rey thought her parents were somebody important. You take a mystery surrounding them (who were they? why did they leave?) combined with her enormous power, and of course the audience is going to dwell on that question. As noted in my edit, I was hoping that her parents weren’t important. The movie was winking at us to say that maybe they are.

There are unexplained things which leaves the audience to question. Sure, that’s fine. But there’s nothing in TFA to suggest her powers and her parentage are related.

Thing is though, TLJ does answer these questions:

Q) Who are Rey’s parents?
A) Nobody

Q) Are Rey’s parents the reason why she has the force?
A) No, she doesn’t need special parents to have the force

Q) Why is she strong in the force?
A) Because that’s the way the force works

The last two seem to directly contradict what is implied in the OT — you hear things like “the Force runs strong in your family,” suggesting that it’s a genetic/familial thing.

I don’t see that as a bad thing…or true a true thing. “She doesn’t need special parents to have the force” is not the same as “She has to have special parents to have the force.”

I think it’s completely reasonable to assume that not all who are especially Force sensitive are called to use it, especially since the whole Jedi recruiting school thing ended after the prequels. Thus, I assume that Rey’s parents were Force-sensitive but happened to be nobody particular in the galaxy at large.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TFA didn’t make a big deal about Rey’s parents, Rey did and people on the internet did.

WYSHS

True. Point being though that only Rey cares and this doesn’t change in TLJ. Anytime she brings up Jakku in TFA people think she’s crazy for still caring. Maz outright tells her to forget about her parents.

Making Rey’s parents an issue was a creative choice in the film. Rey’s pining for her parents was the chip on which the story salsa was conveyed, but she is not independent from the film. TLJ made a point not only that her parents didn’t care about her (which was sort of obvious) but that they were nobody. And why would we have thought they were somebody? Because the film set up that intrigue - deliberately exploiting expectations of people on the internet, to be sure. A film attempting to stand apart from the OT shouldn’t do that.

This point for me is more what Luke would call a “a cheap trick” but it’s there. Can’t pretend it’s solely the fault of fans or that dastardly rogue Rey.

No. No one in TFA asks who Rey’s parents are, not even her. In fact, there’s no reason to believe in TFA that she doesn’t know who they are. They are mentioned a few times, but the question mark is all audience. They are only important for Rey’s character. And in that regard, they are important, sure. Rey is waiting for them. This aspect informs her arc in both films. But there is nothing in TFA that suggests that her parents must be, themselves important, beyond their relationship to Rey. Nothing at all.

If you thought they might be somebody, it’s only because Rey thought so too and hoped so. Which makes her learning that they’re nobody devastating in the same way that Luke learning that his father didn’t die and is no longer a Jedi did in ESB. And that’s a good thing.

I didn’t think that Rey thought her parents were somebody important. You take a mystery surrounding them (who were they? why did they leave?) combined with her enormous power, and of course the audience is going to dwell on that question. As noted in my edit, I was hoping that her parents weren’t important. The movie was winking at us to say that maybe they are.

There are unexplained things which leaves the audience to question. Sure, that’s fine. But there’s nothing in TFA to suggest her powers and her parentage are related.

Thing is though, TLJ does answer these questions:

Q) Who are Rey’s parents?
A) Nobody

Q) Are Rey’s parents the reason why she has the force?
A) No, she doesn’t need special parents to have the force

Q) Why is she strong in the force?
A) Because that’s the way the force works

The last two seem to directly contradict what is implied in the OT — you hear things like “the Force runs strong in your family,” suggesting that it’s a genetic/familial thing.

I don’t have a large movie collection to sort.

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Technically we don’t know at the end of ROTJ that the Empire has fallen or that there will be a New Republic. That’s actually established in the crawl of TFA.

But that’s a good assumption to make, based on the celebratory atmosphere on multiple planets, including the capitol world.

Come on. That’s special edition talk!

Are you trying to burn it to a disc?

We’re still kinda fucked.

Yes, this whole “they’re ruining the OT” argument makes absolutely no sense. Rian Johnson isn’t scribbling a marker all over the negatives of Star Wars, folks.

There is clearly droid slavery in the SW universe.