xhonzi

El Sapo Diablo

Yeah, me too... I'm 100% in the tuned out years now.  Unless you count Netflixing season 4 and remembering the good episodes in my head.

SilverWook-

That's at odds with the only write-up I have in front of me.  I certainly don't claim to know what really happened, but allow me to quote from the book.

Again, this is from day 91 of Creating the Worlds of Star Wars - 365 Days, by John Knoll

This scene was the only one in Return of the Jedi requiring a Millennium Falcon exterior.  The size of the Falcon set built for The Empire Strikes Back meant that it was too large to save, therefore it was rebuilt on Stage 2.  However, because the sandstorm would greatly limit visibility, only half of the Falcon was reconstructed.

Hmm.... I give up.  How?

I was actually thinking of the "Leader" episode, but I think it's actually a butterfly that distracts Homer from the brainwashers.

I've been slowly turning pages in "365 Days of Star Wars Locations" book, and yesterday's was 91 - (RotJ) Sandstorm 1.  It shows an exterior model of the Falcon that's about 70% wide and missing the remaining side. 

It's actually very similar to the incomplete one they built for A New Hope in '77, which is the reason the Radar Dish is missing when the falcon is seen in Docking Bay 94.  This model was used for that scene and the scenes in the Death Star landing bay.  It seems someone maid a point of making sure a full Falcon was built for ESB, and that set is used in three locations (Hoth Base, Space Worm, Cloud City Docking Bay).

But back to RotJ... it's odd that they built a third Falcon set (they were too large and too expensive to store between movies.  They should have asked me, I would have gladly put it up for a couple of years) and that they returned to the 70%ish width design, again missing the dish.  But the set was only intended to be used for the Sandstorm scene, which we all know was cut during production.

It's just odd to think that the role of the set was expanded significantly for the 2nd film, and then practically completely removed for the third.

Yeah, sorry...  it totaly escaped my interest due to the following factors.

1) I started to think that- Oh look!  A bee! 

Fool me once...

It was a new flag too.

Someone stole my American flag off the front of my house!  I was in the garage yesterday, with the door open, at about 1PM and I heard the flag rustling and I looked out the door and I could see it.  I got in the car 5 minutes later to go somewhere, and as I pulled out of the driveway, I noticed it was gone- flag pole and all.  I immediately jumped out to see if it hadn't just blown over (it wasn't that windy, but still I checked).  The pole is pretty heavy, so had it pulled out of its mount, I'm sure it would have been within 10 feet of the house.

Nope.  It's gone.

Someone in Thornton, Colorado is unpleased with my patriotism, I guess.  Or maybe they were just allowing it for a week after the 4th of July and my time was just up.

Does that one near the top have a gas mask attached to it?  Looks like they thought that out at one point and then decided to ditch it for cinematic reasons.

It's an MMO, so right there I can tell you I won't be playing it.  But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the videos.  ;)

That video is pretty sweet.  I love the cloaked Dark Jedi...

I think there's perhaps still too much twirling in the lightsabre fighting... but I'd take that in a heartbeat over the PT.

I has a sad.

But it won't stop me from demanding it.

SQUEAKY CHAIR!

Yeah, they should totally revamp the game with current tech and re-release it.

You can pretend in your mind that the helmets are linked to the ejection seat, and they auto seal upon ejection.

If you want.

Perhaps, "We don't need their scum..." is short for "We don't need their scum, we can do the job well enough on our own.  I'm insulted they've been brought on board- they can't possibly do better than we are already doing."

TV's Frink said:

TV's Frink said:

I realize this is a bit naive, or at least whimsically hopeful.  But if we can't trust the scientists, then who do we trust?  How do we get a truly independent report?

Even if you don't agree with his political views, you should give Ben Stein's Expelled a view.  It's about the "scientific community" banning anyone that doesn't subscribe to specific dogma.  In the case of his movie, it's Darwinism, but I think it's impossible to not imagine a similar thing going on within the environmental sciences.  In the end, I'm not sure you can trust "scientists" when they personally have so much on the line for saying anything that goes against the rest of the braintrust.  Sort of like the picture you posted.

Does it just come down to what we want to believe, you and I?

 I don't know.  When you can't trust anyone else, don't you just rely on yourself?  What else can you do?

Sluggo said:

xhonzi said:

...If you believe that mankind is destroying the earth, and are a scientist tasked with proving it with concrete data... but the data proves to be elusive... Wouldn't you believe it to be the right thing to tell a little lie, especially if you believe that that lie will save the future of mankind?

In this case, I would also say No.

For the record, I'm not advocating the lying.  Just saying I'm wary of people with agendas claiming to tell me the scientific truth.

<snip>

...common sense and a moral issue, not a political issue.  ...

From what I can tell, the definition of "common sense" and "moral issue" seems to be at the heart of ancient, modern, and post-modern politics.  One man's commonly sensible moral issue, is another man's fool's crusade.

The real emphasis ought to be keeping better stewardship of the earth. 

Yes, but at what cost?  In some cases you're pitting the death of humans, here on the planet today, against the posibility that certain actions may be ruining the planet 1000 years from now.  It's not an easy decision to make, in this case, and so we need to know what the actual effects of those actions are, so they can be weighed against the other known consequences.  Attempts to control those decisions through the contol of information and the proliferation of misinformation obfuscate our ability to make the best decisions we can make.

[citation needed] = Profile not approved.  Come on this is supposed to be a serious role playing board.  And stop writing in the present tense!

I guess I question the bias/motivations of the independent team, moreso than the independence of it.

If one team of scientists believe that the issue is too important to tell the truth... then can another team be fully trusted?

If the truth was that mankind did not land on the moon in 1969, but that the US Gov't lied in an effort to gain the upper hand in the space race (which hand it clearly did gain)... furthermore, if that truth would potentially unravel the fragile relationship of trust that the US Gov't has with its peoples and the peoples of the world... And you stood in a position to tell everyone this truth... would you consider the truth to do more good or harm in this case?  Could you at least understand the motivation someone would have to knowingly lie about it in the name of preserving peace and the prosperity of this great nation?  Who would the truth hurt?

If you believe that mankind is destroying the earth, and are a scientist tasked with proving it with concrete data... but the data proves to be elusive... Wouldn't you believe it to be the right thing to tell a little lie, especially if you believe that that lie will save the future of mankind?

Ah, so the fox has reported in, letting us know that everything is A-OK at the hen house?  Terrific.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Avatar-Recycled/topic/11528/

Avatar - Politics Lite version in progress.

cutnshut said:

xhonzi said:

Anyways, I'm not answering your quest because I don't know the answer. 

 

Thats ok I cant remember what quest i was on anyway :p

Search for the Holy Grail?

TV's Frink said:

HotRod said:

I think we should have the FAT-AT!!

 

;)

I have been waiting a long time for that post, HR :-)

Mini Ric approves.

It would be a heck of a lot easier than animating the legs!

I say the FAT-AT replaces the AT-ST.  It would still give you eagle eyed fans something to look for in the scene.

NNRRPPB- Now there's an EU I can get behind!