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#427782
Topic
Act Breaks?
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Cut'n'shut,

RE: ESB

You are describing what happens in three parts of the movie, but you are not explaining WHY the Acts are defined by whats happening in those segments.  As that one guy says, Acts are more than a "Beginning, Middle and End" because lunch lines have Beginnings, Middles, and Ends.

What do you see as the "central problem" the one that drives all three acts, in ESB?  Start there and work your way back through the Acts.  It can sometimes be hard to identify the central problem, and an easy trick is to ask yourself, "What is resolved in the third act?" and that will narrow it down right quick.

RE: 5 Acts vs 3 Acts + Pro/Epilogue

It's really the same thing, you're right.  But since 5 act is so rare in modern filmmaking, I think it makes sense to refer to the central 3 Acts still as Acts 1-3, since those 3 Acts are the 3 Acts from 3 Act structure.

Here's Freytag's pyramid.  It shows 5 Acts, but most modern movies ignore 5 Act structure, and just focus on the central 3.  So, for the sake of comparing the odd movie that has 5 Acts to the rest of them that have 3 Acts...  We want to compare "the problem gets worse" to "the problem gets worse" so we say Act 2.  Even if that's really Act 3 in the 5 Act structure.

You feelin' me?

Darth Vader [has] no character development [in ESB].)

You're joking, right?

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#427774
Topic
Infinity Gauntlet
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The Infinity Gauntlet is central to the Thanos / Adam Warlock storylines.  It's really at the core of Cosmic Marvel, or Marvel Comics IIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNN SSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEE.

There are 6 Infinity Gems that control different elements of space and time, and they are meant to be guarded/used by 6 separate individuals so that no one person has too much power.  Thanos conquered each of the owners of the gems and assembled them all into a single glove- The Infinity Gauntlet.  Then he started to wreak havoc on all of the Marvel Universe and everybody got together to shut him down.

The gauntlet itself is pretty cool, but the way they showed it at Comic Con seemed to indicate that it is a prop for one of the upcoming movies.  If they go straight to the gauntlet in the first Avengers movie, I would be shocked and cautiously excited.  It would probably fall flat on its face, but it would be something like a nerd dream come true.

Other than that, it might've shown up in the Silver Surfer movie that was going to be made after FF2, but I don't think that movie is still in production.

And before I hop down off of this soapbox, the Annihilation & Annihilation Conquest epics and the followon Guardians of the Galaxy & Nova series are really great Space Fantasy/Sci-Fi.  I haven't read all of War of Kings, yet, but I've enjoyed what I've read so far.

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#427638
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Two drawings that I've did on Dee Dee's Asian friend, Lee Lee, from Dexter's Laboratory
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timbox2.0 said:

xhonzi said:

It might read as a tad suspicious since you have a James Cameron's Avatar Avatar as your OT.com Forum Avatar when talking about your new film Dexter's Laboratory: Avatar.

 But no matter, regardless of my Avatar that features Jake Sulley (in his new body) saying "This is Great!" from that James Cameron movie, There will be no way my Dexter's Laboratory movie, Dexter's Laboratory: Avatar Books One through Twelve, could be related to that movie and would be, therefore, not associated with James Cameron's Avatar.

 

Please take a moment while I'll change my OT.com forum avatar.

DAMN! I can't delete and replace my OT.com Forum Avatar!

 

Much better.

CARRY ON!

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#427595
Topic
Act Breaks?
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Okay, so onto ESB.

Looking at the timeline (http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Original-Trilogy-Times-Chart/post/411140/#TopicPost411140), it's really easy to subdivide this movie into three equal-ish parts:

1. Hoth
2. Dagobah/Asteroid Field
3. Cloud City

These may or may not represent the acts of the movie, though.  Let's see:

The "problem" of the movie, I would say, is that Darth Vader is looking for Luke Skywalker.  Which is sort of odd, because right there, it makes it seem that Vader is the main character of the movie... which isn't true from a scene-by-scene analysis of the movie.  But if you think of the "problem" that drives the plot of the 3 acts, I think that's it.  Is there a better one?

Act 1- The fact that Vader is looking for Luke is introduced in the opening crawl, just like the Death Star problem was introduced in ANH's opening crawl.  Vader is looking for the Rebels because they have Luke.  The problem isn't very serious, however, because we all expect the Rebels to escape Hoth.  Act one is over when the good guys get their minor victory and everyone escapes.

Act 2- Obviously, Luke on Dagobah is the major setpiece in this timeframe, but it doesn't actually have much to do with the 2nd Act of Empire Strikes Back.  Instead, it's really the middle of the Macro (Trilogy) Act 2, and Luke is setting about solving the Macro problem (The Evil Empire) and not the immediate movie problem (Vader searches for Luke) except that he is hiding.  For this reason, Luke must leave the safety of Dagobah to end Act 2, and get Vader's quest back on track.  Meanwhile, Han and Leia are also working on the middle of the 2nd Macro act and solving the macro sub-problem of the love triangle.  Yes, Vader is chasing them to solve his main problem, but that is not what we spend the majority of our time watching.  Vader hiring Bounty Hunters though, increases the threat that Han and Leia will get caught, which drives them out of the Act 2 stalemate.

Act 3 - I'm not sure which scene exactly starts Act 3, but it's either at the very start of the dark atmosphere on Cloud City or it's Dinner with Vader.  Usually we see the hero prevail in Act 3, against all odds, and it seems to be true in this case, except again that Vader is the "hero" of Empire's 3 Acts.  He captures the wily Han Solo, and successfully draws young Skywalker to him.  They fight, and the first time viewer expects a clean win on Luke's part, but perhaps they haven't been paying attention to the actual structure of the movie (who is, when you have the great sabre battle going on?).  Leia and company escape, but that's not the focus of this story.  Their part in "the problem" has been played out, and they're just setting up their ability to participate in the sequel- the macro 3rd Act.  The 'twist' ending is of the variety where we reinterpret what the problem actually was.  We thought Vader was searching for Luke because he is his enemy, and possibly because he wants to turn him to the Dark Side, so his real motivations surprise us.  He wants to turn him to the Dark Side because he is his son, and he wants to overthrow the Emperor.

At any rate, Luke's defeat and subsequent escape is the end of Empire's 3rd Act.  That and the few minutes that follow form the perfect ending to the Macro 2nd Act, as the Heroes are at their lowest, most unlikely to win scenario.

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#427591
Topic
Working with DVD Storylines (seamless branching) - TEST FILE
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I looked into this a while ago too, and eventually gave up.  I made a family friendly edit of the Robot Chicken Star Wars DVDs and wanted to have 2 options: The whole she-bang, and a shorter playback list including just our favourite skits.

It seems like I had a decent premise because I essentially had the full video file (ABCDEFG) and occaisonally just wanted to play part of it (ACEG).  If you did your thing with the adverts, I think you would structure your video file like this:

MF=Main Feature, A=Adverts A, B=Adverts B

MF1 A1 B1 MF2 A2 B2 MF3 A3 B3 MF4

Playback one would be MF1--MF2--MF3--MF4

Playback two would be MF1A1-MF2A2-MF3A3-MF4

Playback three would be MF1-B1MF2-B2MF3-B3MF4

There will be some seek time at any change, but it should be relatively low (even on a DVD9) since you're always seeking 4 or so minutes into the future (8 maybe, on the advertless one) and not to some random part of the disc.

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#427369
Topic
Random Thoughts
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Leonardo said:

 

 

And anyway, just what are the odds of a really dramatic change in someone's life just as a result of alchohol and a night of sex? And I do mean DRAMATIC change. I mean, if you somehow end up getting married with some kind of a hideous beast you can always divorce, run away, or both, or many other possible solutions that escape me right now. The only thing you can't escape, well, is the grim reaper... And that don't worry me a bit!

You make it sound so easy.

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#427361
Topic
Video Games - a general discussion thread
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C3PX said:

xhonzi said:

One of the reasons I hunkered down and bought L4D2 was on your recommendation that it was, and I loosely quote from my faulty memory, "So much better."  So I'm a little upset to see you reverse your opinion here.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong...

Hmm, I am pretty sure I never said it was "so much better". Even from the beginning, I felt the first game was still way worth going back to. I feel things like the melee weapons and many of the new maps made the second game well worth getting. I did highly recommend it to you, and stand by that recommendation, but I have not ever flip flopped or reversed my opinion on this matter. I have felt this same way from the first week L4D2 was released.

Perhaps I am attributing some of Mr. and Mrs. 005's excitement to you.  My local friend who also bought a copy of L4D2 said he played a little more on his own and is starting to be of the opinion that 2 is "orders of magnitude" better, just like a lot of those people on the internet.

Maybe I just need to play more.  And to stop attributing things to C3PX that he didn't say.

As for playing L4D on Friday or Saturday evening, I think one day will work as well for me as another for me. However, my plans are subject to change at the last minute. I'll plan to be there, but there is probably about a 50% chance that something else will come up on either night.

What the frink, man?  I thought getting together soon was you're idea?!?!?

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#427342
Topic
Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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doubleofive said:

TV's Frink said:



doubleofive said:

I can't believe I haven't posted this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQljzQ_FpUE


I'm not a fan of Robot Chicken, but that is indeed hilarious.
I cannot watch it without literally laughing out loud.

I love how he leads in with, "It's a Trap!" as if it's his calling card.

And Frink, not a Robot Chicken fan?!?!?  You mean the show generally, or the Star Wars specials specifically.  I really like the show (and the Twisted Toyfare Theatre that proceded it) but I don't get to watch it much with the wife and kids around.  But the SW specials... man we eat that stuff for breakfast.  Along with a bowl of Ackbar Cereal.