xhonzi

Just play it on your 360!

Oh...

Wait...

(Yes, there is a PC version, no there's not a PSP version, and I don't know if your PC will run it well...  But the game does take some 'stick-to-it-ive-ness' that I'm now not sure you've got...

cutnshut, ol 'slow but sturdy' himself said:

...I traded my xbox 360 in for a psp! ((red) 3000 not the Go!)

Well that was short lived.  You were slow, yes, but what happened to sturdy?

Does this mean I should remove you from my friends list?  Or do I just wait until you trade it back... And what happened to all of your 360 games you just bought?

Darth Solo said:

HUE BROAK DUH INTERNETZ

 http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Lurkers-Name-suggestions-Come-On-Lurkers-JOIN-IN/post/432689/#TopicPost432689

But you're right- when they announce that they're releasing another version at the the same time they release the first version... at least it takes the doubt about the double-dip out of the question... but I think it's still a double-dip.

digitalfreaknyc said:

I think it's great...and I have no interest in the LOTR movies. 

 Ah-hah!

Wait, wasn't he supposed to change it to 'tango' or was that a different thread?

digitalfreaknyc said:

Harmy said:

The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a nice example of a double dip...
So far, they just dipped once, when the EEs get released they will dip the 2nd time (and probably 3rd and 4th too, as I expect the EEs to be 3 ultra expensive separate boxes, one for each film). 

 A double-dip is the exact same movie released twice.

The EE's wouldn't be considered a double dip.

I don't know.

While a double dip doesn't neccessarily mean content was held back to make a second (or third, etc.) release more appealing... I think anytime content (especially the preferred cut of a film) IS deliberately held back, that it is not only certainly a double dip, but the worst kind of double dip.

No, my audio commentary wasn't in DTS so I didn't listen to it.

No, I was just asking for a PM like everyone else was getting... I just wanted to check it out...

IS THAT SO WRONG?!!??

:)

PM requested?

C3PX said:

I absolutely loved the part where you play as the Little Sister and see Rapture and the Splicers (live and dead) through her eyes. 

That was the moment when I most wanted to play a whole game set in the glory days of Rapture.

Look at Mr. Gratitude!  Handing out thanks to everyone in the thread.  Aren't we so polite???

You make me sick, Chewtobacca.

xhonzi:

Empire Striked Backyard & Twoness

Chewtobacca said: 

I shall watch the other two you listed.  I have not seen them.

 Before this goes any further, I do adore those two fan films to death, but they are spoofs AND of low quality, but I believe the first fact outweighs the 2nd.  As films, they are low quality.  As spoofs, they are top notch, but to appreciate the silly Twoness you really do have to put yourself through the Uber-Pretentious Duality first.

LotR: RotK (I love acronyms!) to me gets marginal points as a "non sequel" but they did write and shoot BttF 2&3 together, Matrix 2&3 togther, PotC 2&3 together, and to some degree there were notes and plans for RotJ when ESB was in production.  The Prequel Trilogy was a planned trilogy and so was Harry Potter (Septology?)... so I'm not sure that there's "Return of the King" and "Everything else" as far as sequels not being sequels or sequels that are better than sequels... but I digress.

Whether it is a 2nd sequel or the 3rd non-macro act... it still feels very wrong to introduce the ghost army at that point in the story.  I know the books are also like that, but they had 50 years to figure out how to massage that problem in the movie.  I wish the prologue would have drawn attention to that kingdom deserting the war of the end of the 2nd age.  At least then it would have been referenced, hinted, or foreshadowed sometime before the 10th hour of a 12 hour epic.

Thanks, I couldn't remember the exact origin of that little inside joke.  But I had to look a little further back to see where it really started (and betrayed my ignorance of both country music and John Tesh in general)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Does-John-Tesh-suck/post/389253/#TopicPost389253

John Tesh...in DTS!!!

Whoah!  I can't make up my mind!

Frink:

See what happens when you complain about too many joke pictures?  You get a serious discussion...

...in the random thoughts thread!

H0w Ran0M iz dat?!?!?

Bingowings:

Much better, but I was hoping you'd expound on the 'treats the Holocaust like an industrial problem and not a human one' sentiment that you included afore.

It's more concerned with wrapping up all of the loose threads (some in a big way a la Jabba, and others in a line of dialogue or two) than it is with the Empire for most of the first half of the running time.

I'm thinking of PotC3 and if it was any better.  It had its own little plot that seemed to come mostly out of nowhere and I felt that was a weakness for that movie.

Return of the King- anything ground breakingly new (*cough* ghost army *cough*) really shouldn't be introduced in the third act...  All of the pieces should be on the table...  That scene really frustrated me because it seemed all was lost and how would the world of man go on?!?!?  Oh yeah, remember those ghost guys that owe us a favor?  (5 minutes later) Thanks Dudes!

So... should Jedi have had more of its own identity?  Or is the role of the 3rd Act (macro or otherwise) only to wrap up the problem as introduced in the 1st Act, and the complications which were introduced in the 2nd Act?

Bingowings, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but please explain in more detail what you're talking about.

I know the mentality that Warbler is coming from... but I don't fully understand the one you are coming from.

Sorry, I'm still trying to get my smoke on the water.

Does it have a new new role playing board?

See title.

MAN do I love DTS!

RED LEADER: Almost there...

Okay, so I think I'm up for dissecting RotJ now:

Reminder of the picture of the timing: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Original-Trilogy-Times-Chart/post/411140/#TopicPost411140

Reminder on Act Descriptions:

TheBoost: first act (set up) second act (rising action) and third act (climax and resoltion).

Or, as I prefer, 1: Establish the problem 2: The Problem Gets Worse and 3: The Problem is Resolved

RotJ in 3 Acts:

I'm not sure that this movie has a traditional Act 1.  Or really, traditional act structure at all.  It definitely has three clearly seperated segments (1: Tatooine, 2: Dagobah, Fleet HQ and Endor Part 1 and 3: Death Star Int and Ext and Endor pt 2) but I'm having a hard time matching those to the Act Structure. Let me explain...

If the Acts are defined by "the problem", the first task should be to identify what is "the problem" of the movie.  This can be difficult on its own, and I usually have the most success in identifying the problem by asking, "What is resolved in the third act?"  This is more difficult than usual for Return of the Jedi, because its third act doubles as the finale of the Macro/Trilogy 3rd act.  The "problem of the Empire" seems to be the Macro problem, so I will attempt to throw that out as the possible RotJ-only problem.  What's left?  Luke's struggle with Vader, Han's relationship with Leia, Lando's relationship with not dying...  these are all personal threads, but I don't think any of them represent "the problem."  Perhaps ending the evil empire really is RotJ's personal "problem" as well.

Act I:

If that's the case (and I'm still not sure that it is) then the 1st third of the movie really does seem so be its own mini movie as opposed to the 1st Act of RotJ's "problem."  Rescuing Han needed to be done, it provides the heros the "mini-victory" found at the end of so many 1st Acts...  But what does it really have to do with the problem of "the empire".  I guess there's those first few minutes explaining how the Emperor is coming to oversee the 2nd Death Star... but that is pretty short lived and is in no way the focus of the first third of the movie.  Eh, maybe it's enough...

On to Act II:

Erg... this is still pretty rough.  Leading me to the conclusion that I didn't pick the right problem for the movie, or that the structure is really thin in the case of this movie.  In the 2nd third of the movie, Luke visits Yoda, but like the whole of the first third... this is less about Return of the Jedi and more about capping off the mysteries/cliffhangers left by ESB.  Luke makes his way to the fleet and they finally get this movie started proper.  They're going to blow up the Death Star (again!) but this isn't telegraphed to the audience to be the same level of importance as it was back in ANH.  I mean, it's obviously of vital importance to the Galaxy at large, but the fact that our three main heroes aren't involved with it this time tells you, the audience member, that it's so well in hand, all of the 2nd and 3rd stringers can be trusted with pulling it off.  At any rate, they do set off with a clear plan in mind, something clearly an indicator that we are in the early stages of Act 2.  Nothing goes as planned, the ewoks screw everything up, the branches on the forest floor are too loud, which all mean- the heroes are unable to execute their plan to blow up the shield generator.  Act II clearly ends when Luke leaves Endor as Vader's captive.  This is when it's darkest for our heroes.

Act III- I know I just said that Act 2 ended at the darkest, but it gets a little darker as we work into Act 3.  The DSII is fully functional!  An entire legion of the Empire's Clumsiest and Best Physical Comedy Performing Soliders has been sent to intercept the ground forces, and Vader is going after Luke's soul hardcore- meanwhile Luke is turning to the Dark Side.  It doesn't quite culminate in a single instant- First Luke defeats Vader, then Palpatine dies, then the shield generator is destroyed, then the DSII goes up (or is it down?) in flames.  This is spread over the course of 10 minutes.  Then, all is well.  The Macro problem is definitely solved... apparently the RotJ problem has been as well, or else we'd still be sitting in front of it waiting for closure.

What do you think?  For ANH and ESB, I was eagerly entertaining argument, though I was sure I was right... but with RotJ- I eagerly hope someone can tell me what's going on, because I think there's still something there that I missed.

The term 'fanmade' brings on an involuntary shudder...  But I guess, since Lucas is not a fan, I do want a Prequel Trilogy written and created by a fan or fans.  Just not at the 'backyard, lo-fi, no sense of style or taste' level.  And I guess most of the fan films I have seen have been in poorer (were it possible) imitation of the Prequels, so it's possible I would like a decent fan film... should such a thing ever exist.

The Empire Strikes Backyard and Twoness (Duality a prerequisit) are definitely high quality though.

That reminds me of commentary I saw on a survey about 12 years ago.  It asked people of my generation severl similar questions, one of which was: What is the movie that defines your generation?

The top two were:

Schindler's List

and

wait for it...

Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

The commentator was enraged!  One movie was a beautiful love poem to life, its meaning, its sometimes lack of meaning, and what it means to be human!  The other one is just about Nazis!

Obviously he was being (or at least was trying to be) sarcastic.  But funny.