Perhaps the peril shouldn't have come from a concern for his mortal peril... but more for his immortal soul. Seeing it now, I think that's where the fear should come from... some sort of inevitability that Luke may join the Dark Side, even if he doesn't want to.
doubleofive said:
Reach is all I need. All of my friends will be united under it's banner for at least a year.
:( Does this mean no more L4D2 from you?
I've spent so much money recently, and with Christmas around the corner, it might be this time next year before I get around to being united under the banner of Reach.
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darkGryphon:
How did your "click here to get me free MS Points" scam work out? I never heard back from you on it.
Just to make sure I'm following you... you think Luke was cool and collected when he handed himself over to Vader, and he remained too cool and too collected once he knew he was being taken to the Emperor, and never seemed in real danger?
Looks more like "Thank you, Fink!" to me...
Carp, I may have to check it out again.
I can assure you it did not. It was the first reply to my post, so I came in to see whether it was praise or condemnation. Instead, it was... confusion.
Still quoted in post #4 #3: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/mPT-The-Clone-Wars/post/436019/#TopicPost436019
He's (one of) the incentive man. Obviously Fett works it out to get money from both Vader and Jabba... but Jabba had had a price out on Solo for sometime. You can't say that Fett would have necessarily been willing to catch him if it weren't for the bounty Jabba had out there. That is to say, you can't say that Jabba had nothing to do it.
In fact, Jabba and Fett must be given credit for keeping Solo alive. If Fett hadn't wanted to collect the bounty that Jabba had out on him, I doubt Vader would had let him live. After what he did to his daughter...
Hey, what happened to kittu's post? I haven't seen them just go *poof* like that before.
Have you sketched anything out or thought about how you would do the first film?
Yeah, I have some stuff. I was going to post a few more pages on "setting" and "characters" before getting on with the story... but I sort of got off track.
Do you see the Republic as corrupt in the traditional sense? I see it more as "hamstrung" in the sense that it's so weighed down by bureaucracy that they can't really make a lot of good decisions. Sure, some very corrupt individuals in there, but it's not like the whole republic is entirely crap. It might be a bad government, but it's not as bad as The Empire. It something you wish you could go back to when The Empire takes over.
I can live with that.
Sluggo said:
So would you say that the trilogy
Trilogy or RotJ?
has three main plot threads. The Rebels against the Empire, Luke's reconciliation with his father and Han's redemption from Jabba the Hutt
I'm no expert at this, but I would say that stories (in movies or elsewhere) are very clearly centered around a focused "plot." That which I call "the problem." The characters serve this plot, and the resolution of "the problem" obviously has to be the goal of at least one of the characters (the protagonist(s))... and the perpetuation of the problem is often the goal of the antagonist.
But beyond that, each of the characters may also have their own interests which may or may not lead to their "character arc" in the story. Han struggling with his attachment to the Rebellion in ANH and ESB is part of his arc, but it is isn't the plot, or "the problem" of the film itself.
ANH is pretty interesting that way, since the problem of the Death Star, which I'm convinced is "the problem" of the film, is not really the focus of any characters except for Leia and R2-D2. Luke's quest to explore the galaxy and his destiny, and his quest to become a Jedi and to rescue Leia, all of Han's stuff, Obi-Wan's quest to train Luke and put him on the path of becoming the galaxy's saviour, C3PO's quest for his next oil bath... all of these things are more forefront than the threat of the Death Star to the Rebellion, but they are all character bits and not "the plot" or "the problem."
Back to RotJ- I think in some cases it can be harder to separate the character bits from the "the problem". I think a big part of my trouble identifying "the problem" in RotJ has been separating it out from the character bits. The love triangle is resolved in two major ways, but that's certainly not "the problem." Onto Luke and Vader as father and son... now we're getting into dodgy territory. Absolutely, Luke's motivation after Tatooine is completely "redeem my father". And Vaders, absolutely, is "straddling allegiances between the Emperor/Dark Side and Luke/love of son." That seems a little nearer to "the problem" of the film, but I don't think it is yet it. Luke's journey to become a Jedi ends somewhat mid film when Yoda pronounces that title upon him. Great arc for Luke. Not the plot of RotJ.
To summarize, I don't think, in my humble opinion, that those character moments are "plot threads" of the movie. They are "character threads" which might mean the same thing as "sub-plot" but they are not "plot-plot".
However, I think that the redemption of Han from Jabba (sounds like they traded in Skee-Ball tickets for him) does play out like its own 45 minute three arc mini-movie. The characters/problem (Jabba has Han) are all introduced. The problem gets worse (Jabba has Han, the droids, Chewie, Leia and eventually Luke). And then the problem is resolved (everyone is free- Jabba is dead (duh)). The only things that really connect this first third of the movie to the other two thirds are: The crawl mentions the Empire, the introduction of DSII right after the crawl, and the fact that they needed to rescue Han before the real action of the movie could get started.
and general scoundrelness.
:) I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I like the word.
The thing I don't think works as well with the Han Solo sub plot is that the rescue from Jabba's palace is dis-proportionately large compared to the Bounty Hunter interaction in the first two movies. I understand that this also serves for Luke's progression to the title of Jedi Knight, but I think the cutting of the scene where Luke makes his saber lessens Luke's showing up at Jabba's palace to chew some bubblegum and to kick some butt.Am I wrong about this?
I'm not sure I'm following you. Yeah, the "Jabba wants Han" subplot (<- see what I did there?) from the other films is maybe 5 minutes total, but in this film it's about 45 minutes. I don't think that's wrong. It certainly fits in with the Macro storyline for Act 3. In Act 1 (ANH) we learn that Han owes Jabba some money, but it's no big deal since he crisps poor Greedo and gets on with life... he even makes some bread from the Rebellion and we assume he can pay his debts at that point. In Act 2 (ESB) we learn that he's still not paid his debts and that the pressure Jabba is putting on him is getting worse. He tries to make his way back to pay Jabba, but evades pursuit from the Empire instead. A real bounty hunter like Fett shows up and Han is in real trouble now. Then, in Act 3, the heroes have to rescue him and payback Jabba in the only currency he understands. The currency of El Muerte!
If you're looking for a specific balance (in terms of pages/minutes/whatever) between the three acts, you usually won't find it. One act is usually funnier than the other two. One is more tragic. One is more uplifting. It's wrong to assume that they will be more consistent... That's probably actually one of the leading causes of "sequelitis"... when the sequel feels entirely too much like the original.
But I'm making this all up as we go along. What do you think?
Hmmm... bkev is still ignoring me. It's just a joke... right Mr. Kev? Right?
I'm Eric, and I like to party.
Can we all agree to that?
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N00b C3PX = epic fail.
captainsolo said:
ChainsawAsh said:
Ah, Dark City is fantastic. I'd recommend watching the Director's Cut, solely because the theatrical cut's narration at the beginning takes any and all mystery out of the movie.
And it just flows better.
I rented the DC to see if I needed to upgrade my regular DVD. I watched the first half pretty closely and didn't notice any changes (thanks for pointing out the voice over) and then I FF'd the rest, looking for changes that I never found. I double checked to make sure I somehow didn't watch the Theatrical again by accident.
But I do really like Dark City...
Yeah, I've had a similar effect on some of my friends. I can't say they seem very happy about the enlightening I forced upon them.
I'm also a little unamused at the deep neckline on the girl. I know, I know... video games are what they are... but I guess I was counting on BioShock to be a little above that kind of thing. I mean, there is cleavage... and then there is cleavage.
vaderios said:
Angel,
Where are these pics from? Are they yours?
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Can't answer your other questions, sorry.
I haven't seen that one. Well, I did see the tiny tiny mostly obscured thumbnail of it inside the actual issue.
