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#634985
Topic
Boston Marathon Explosion(s)
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Warbler said:

xhonzi said:

...I think more are saying, "What if this isn't what it appears to be?  If it's not, then it's probably someone trying to manipulte my actions.  What reaction are they looking for?  That's the one I don't want to give."

not really sure what any of that has to do with the Boston bombing or conspiracy theories of it and other things like it.  

If the intended reaction is that people get mad (or scared, or whatever), and pass all sorts of new freedom-limiting laws (or whatever)... then that's the reaction we must not give.  If we do, then we have been manipulated to give these sickos just what they want.

xhonzi said:

Do you like being manipulated?  Do you like someone trying to control your actions?

Warbler said:

no.

 

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#634984
Topic
Boston Marathon Explosion(s)
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Warbler said:

xhonzi said:

Warbler said:

And I don't think the nuts that shot up Columbine, VT, Fort Hood, Tucson, the theater in Colorado,  and Sandy Hook, were anti-gun-nuts attempting to get more gun control legislation passed.   

 Why not?

You have to be a sick psychopath to do what they did.  Why would any motivation be any more likely/unlikely than any other?

I have never once heard of any evidence that shows gun control was the motivation for anything of these nuts to do their shootings.  If you have some, please show it.

It is possible in the future that some nut might it into his head to do one of these shootings in an effort to get gun control legislation passed?  It is.   But was that the motivation for the people that did the shootings I mentioned?  I haven't heard that it was. 

Honestly, I don't suppose any of these shooters were anti-gun-nuts.  I believe there is something wrong with them... but not that.

However, I am willing to suppose that someone set them up that was.  Someone that let the proverbial lion run wild in the proverbial village because it met their own agenda.

And, barring that, I firmly believe that anti-gun-nuts decided it was the perfect opportunity to push legislation... one that they have been praying for.

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#634977
Topic
Boston Marathon Explosion(s)
Time

Warbler said:

And I don't think the nuts that shot up Columbine, VT, Fort Hood, Tucson, the theater in Colorado,  and Sandy Hook, were anti-gun-nuts attempting to get more gun control legislation passed.   

 Why not?

You have to be a sick psychopath to do what they did.  Why would any motivation be any more likely/unlikely than any other?

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#634971
Topic
Boston Marathon Explosion(s)
Time

Warbler said:

Ask reasonable questions is one thing,  but that is not was these conspiracy nuts do.    They find out something like the Boston bombing happens and they go "Yippy! another chance a conspiracy theory, lies and false accusations!  Hmm,  how can I make this look like the government did this?"    

There is nothing reasonable or beneficial to what they do.     

I hope to offer a reasonable dispute.

Some of them may be saying "Yippy!" but I think more are saying, "What if this isn't what it appears to be?  If it's not, then it's probably someone trying to manipulte my actions.  What reaction are they looking for?  That's the one I don't want to give."

Do you like being manipulated?  Do you like someone trying to control your actions?

Let's have an example- Have you heard of the Trolley Problem?  Basically, would you sacrifice the life of a few innocents to save a larger number of people in peril?  Could you push a man, not in any immediate danger, in front of a trolley if it would save the lives of 50 people?  Not many people think they could, because the idea of sacrificing an innocent life is so repulsive... even though the economical answer is quite clear.  If we value human life, then we should consider more human lives to be of more value than fewer lives.

However, I think you have to be a certain kind of person to go through with it.  Studies show us not only that, but that the more distance between you and the victim, the easier it becomes.  Having to shove the guy with your hands VS pushing him with a pole vs pushing a button vs telling someone else to do it.  And whether you have to see it with your own eyes or not.

So, let's get crazy for a minute here... What if you're one of those people and you believe that poor gun laws in the USA are killing so many thousands of people annually... that even if it took the death of hundreds of innocents to create a swell of support for changing gun laws, that it would still save millions of lives in the not too distant future.  Is that hard to imagine that someone could believe that?  Now, if you wanted to turn popular support in favour of stricter gun laws, and you weren't afraid to get your hands a little bloody... what would you do?

I think for every sicko gun-nut that wants to shoot up a theatre or a school, there's a anti-gun-nut who is willing to help them if it means furthering the cause of "peace".

PETA poisons animals in captivity.  To prove their point that animals shouldn't be in captivity.  Because it kills them.

Am I crazy?

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#634940
Topic
Disney Closing LucasArts
Time

Bingowings said:

We all know who to blame :

Are you suggesting that the current economic client that the people willingly (if naively and mistakenly) voted in has caused such unfavourable conditions for the creative and industrial types that many are mysteriously disappearing, refusing to be a part of the machine that is destroyings men's souls?

Or did you mean something else?

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#634939
Topic
Boston Marathon Explosion(s)
Time

AntcuFaalb said:

Corruption and war prevent more-fair distributions of food.

Also, I don't think Capitalism is a good economic system for a country with a mostly-starving population.

Err... what economic system would you recommend?  Capitalism is corruption resistant, and encourages people to participate in the system as opposed to wait for handouts.  It's also self funded, and puts money in the pockets of the participants and builds infrastructure that will last once the charity tapers off.

Teach a man to fish, and all that...

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#634378
Topic
BioShock!!! (1, 2 and Infinite and SPOILERS)
Time

It's definitely the world that is the most captivating part.  For me, anyways...

I really liked Columbia, but at this point in time didn't find it nearly as enchanting as Rapture.

 

Also- here's this for people a little disappointed in the BioShock Infinite that they played (vs the one in the demos): http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/04/05/the-bioshock-infinite-you-didnt-play-7-ideas-that-never-made-it/

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#634307
Topic
BioShock!!! (1, 2 and Infinite and SPOILERS)
Time

bkev said:

<snip pic>

Bioshock Infinite is the only one in the series that has actually grabbed my attention so far. I really want it but I need to wait until I'm out of school... have enough trouble focusing as it is, haha.

Why do you think that is?  Do you think the game itself is more appealing or do you think it's just that you're older?  I know they marketed this in a slightly more "Dude-bro" way, so it probably caught a sliver of new audience... but based on what I know about you (which isn't much) I didn't figure you for the dude-bro type.

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#633996
Topic
Last comic read
Time

Something about Star Destroyers, Black Space Knights, White Space Princesses, Twin Sunned Planets...

I didn't follow this at all, sorry. Too grand for a starting point, not enough familiar characters for me.

:) :) :)

 

I think you might be singing a different tune by the time the Guardians of the Galaxy movie comes out.  If it's any good.

 

Secret War was pretty good, but I didn't realize it until years after I read it.  They talked a lot about it changing the face of Marvel comics... but after I read it, I emitted a confused "Meh?".  The past 10 years of Marvel comics pretty much all started with Secret War.