twooffour

Yea, but since I've seen Inception, I'm not an Inpcetion ignorer, so why you stopped ignoring me? Even if you had never done that in the first place? ;)

TV's Frink said:

I read everything xhonzi says.  He's worth reading.  He's also sane.

ORLY?

Then how come you quoted a post of his where he (corectly) suggested that I might've been ironic when saying "Grievous owns Vader at film villainy" to demonstrate a point, and yet had this to say to it:

"That's just his opinion, and I'm not worried about the opinions of insane people"

Um T, didn't you start calling me "insane" precisely for... claiming that Grievous' better than Vader?

Oh dear, you've clearly lost any trace of perspective haven't you...

TV's Frink said:

I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure twooffour was typing things, but considering how insane they made him sound, I stopped reading after a bit.

 

What a lame, LAME excuse for being too lazy to read through posts. Whether mine or xhonzi's.

I'm baffled at how you could catch the part where he brought up the earlier Qui-Gon "disagreement", yet still don't get that the "Grievous is better than Vader" was a joke.

TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

I apparently was off the mark last time I tried to help... but here I go again.

2/4 said Quigonn sucks.  Alex and Frink said, "that's your opinion".  2/4 said "then you have dumb opinions".  Then Alex and Frink said "Don't call our opinions dumb."  Then 2/4 said, "Greivious is better than Vader."  Then Frink and greenpenguino and everybody either thought or said, "2/4, your opinion of Grevious/Vader is dumb."  And then 2/4 of said:

QED.

If not, then I do give up.  But I give anyone who says "super-duperlative" some points.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall getting irritated that 2/4 thought my opinion was dumb.  That's just his opinion, and I'm not worried about the opinions of insane people, even if I think said opinions are insane.

You got pretty "irritated" at me being "so convinced of my opinion" that I dared tell someone that "they opinion is wrong", so there, corrected :D

It's kinda cool to see how you feel such a need to step in when you feel someone else is being too arrogant and disrespectful when debating "opinions", yet yet have no problem at all resorting to AD HOMINEMS yourself.

Yea, call people insane, call people mad, just DON'T SAY THEIR OPINIONS ARE WRONG!!! BECAUSE OPINIONS CAN NEVER BE WRONG!!!11one!

xhonzi said:

xhonzi said:

And 2/4- I stopped ignoring all of the Inception ignorers for Valentines.  You must have missed my announcement and assumed I still had you on ignore?

I take it back.  I distinctly remember not having you on ignore during my ingnorathon.  It was odd that I had my friends on ignore (mostly as a joke.  mostly) but not having you on ignore.

Though I did say I was this close.

I've seen Inception, though :P

greenpenguino said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

So why the incredulity in your voice? Do you somehow thing this opinion of mine is outrageous and dumb?

The idea that Grievous is a better character than Vader is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on this site.  It's an opinion that isn't wrong (no such thing) but it's an opinion that is insane.

However, you said "better," not "better character," so I now wait for you to educated me on your definition of "better."

You do realize that "insane" is basically like a super-duperlative of "wrong", right?

mm hmm, yeah.

And judging by the beginning of the thread I'd say that because Vader had a bigger impact on 'TheBoost' students than Grievous, Vader is the Better...thingy. And BTW how do you know Frink had incredulity in his voice? You do realise you're reading text on a screen?? Not a voice?

Vader being more known among students doesn't lead to ANY such conclusions.

If you seriously apply the,.. appeal to popularity to anything concerning art or entertainment, you clearly need to grow up a lot.

Take a look at Angus MacFadyen's performance in the piece of shit "Warriors of Virtue" - that guy trumps Grievous in the "campy over-the-top villain" territory by like 10 times, Grievous'a  complete bore compared to him, so how come "Komodo from Warriors of Virtue" probably isn't anywhere as well known as Grievous?

TV's Frink said:

Um, I can think you are insane for having an certain opinion.  But your opinion is not wrong.

Why do I keep forgetting how pointless it is to discuss things with you?

Well right now I'm damn sure it is, because you're basically being had in the most obvious way and aren't even realizing it.

Do you even realize what you're saying? An insane person, is usually what we call someone who suffers from delusions and hallucinations, or holds highly distorted views of themselves and their environment. In the broadest sense, it can mean someone who's abandoned all rational thought and is hopelessly caught in dogmatic, circular way of thinking.

To be insane, MEANS to be WRONG; VERY, wrong.

On the other hand, normal everyday people, incl. the inteligent ones, can be "wrong" about something all the time. It's a normal occurrence. And if the subject is an "opinion" about something, based on flawed judgment and observation, then guess what, THE OPINION IS WRONG.

Wanna play this game? Alright, you asked me whether I meant "character" or not, right? Well, let's just go with "character", for the heck of it.

I'd really like see you dance yourself a way out of that one. So saying that Grievous had a better characterization than Vader somehow isn't "wrong"? Because an opinion can't be wrong, right... but it can be INSANE!

Just for the record, finding Jar Jar Binks funny isn't called "insane", it's called "having an unusual taste". Before you get confused with terms and all...

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

So why the incredulity in your voice? Do you somehow thing this opinion of mine is outrageous and dumb?

The idea that Grievous is a better character than Vader is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on this site.  It's an opinion that isn't wrong (no such thing) but it's an opinion that is insane.

However, you said "better," not "better character," so I now wait for you to educated me on your definition of "better."

You do realize that "insane" is basically like a super-duperlative of "wrong", right?

greenpenguino said:

xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

So wait, you're saying you like Grievous better than...Vader?

Did I misunderstand that?  Please tell me I misunderstood that.

I think he was saying that Grevious was better than Hayden's portrayal of Anakin or Vader.  Hence: Hayder.  Or was it Vayden?

OOOoooohh!! Ok!! That's what he meant! (Why didn't he say Prequel Trilogy Vader, would've made sense)

 

 

No I didn't!

TV's Frink said:

Yeah, but then he said he likes Grievous better than Vader.  Maybe we need to clear this up.

2/4, are you saying you like Grievous better than OT Vader?  Better than ANH or ESB Vader?

"Yea, that's what I was saying. You didn't misunderstand."

So why the incredulity in your voice? Do you somehow thing this opinion of mine is outrageous and dumb?

TV's Frink said:

So wait, you're saying you like Grievous better than...Vader?

Did I misunderstand that?  Please tell me I misunderstood that.

Yea, that's what I was saying. You didn't misunderstand.

xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

So wait, you're saying you like Grievous better than...Vader?

Did I misunderstand that?  Please tell me I misunderstood that.

I think he was saying that Grevious was better than Hayden's portrayal of Anakin or Vader.  Hence: Hayder.  Or was it Vayden?

Grievous is sure better than Christensen's portrayal, but I really just meant to spout off a complete bullshit statement with a lame pun tossed in.

Guess I hadn't thought of that! Btw, how can you read my posts?

greenpenguino said:

twooffour said:

greenpenguino said:

twooffour said:

Grievous is better than Vayden!

 

Well, yeah of course Grievous is better than Vayden, because Vayden couldn't be bothered to show up in the films, lazy bugger.

 

But Grievous being better than Vader. Nah, definitely not

wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah

Hey, that's what cookie says. Can't argue with cookie.

Oh ok, fair enough

 

twooffour said:

What you gonna say to the cookie? Speak to the cookie!

Eeerrrrm... hello cookie??

twooffour said:

blah blah your opinion's a fact blah blah just your opinion. blah blah You don't have to be always right ? blah

...

err, yeah. I do. duh

k

Sluggo said:

twooffour said:

I go into a Chinese restaurant or something... then I get all well-ahound cookie, I eaten it, then I open it, and look, there is a message within!!

Are you saying that you don't look at the fortune until you have eaten the cookie?  That's what I do.  I'm superstitious that if I don't eat the cookie first, the fortune won't come true.

I never sed I eaten it all before reading the fortune, there's always some bits left, here and there... things get overlooked. But not forever!

greenpenguino said:

twooffour said:

Grievous is better than Vayden!

 

Well, yeah of course Grievous is better than Vayden, because Vayden couldn't be bothered to show up in the films, lazy bugger.

 

But Grievous being better than Vader. Nah, definitely not

So you know, I'm tired, I wanna blow off some steam, what if I decide to play this game? You know, I go into a Chinese restaurant or something... then I get all well-ahound cookie, I eaten it, then I open it, and look, there is a message within!!

It sez: "You saying 'nah definitely not'" ain't a valid rebuttal to my absolutely existent opinion that Admiral BoneToPick is better than your stupid Vayder, so what you got on me? Are you some kind of wise guy"?

Hey, that's what cookie says. Can't argue with cookie. What you gonna say to the cookie? Speak to the cookie! You talkin to cookie? You talkin' to cookie?!

I mean, it's like, dude, you're like your opinion's a fact, man! And it's really just your opinion! You don't have to be always right, you know?

...

TheBoost said:

Warbler said:

twooffour said:

Yes you would, if you had your cat killed by teh curiosity and actually clicked on that seductive, little "show post" button :D

yes, but I don't do that.

twooffour said:

All of which just kinda showcases the utter silliness of the whole "ignoring" and "unignoring" thing, especially when such actions as publically anounced.

certain people have upset me and I no longer wish to read their posts, so I put them on ignore.  I trust the others that if there is something the ignored person posts that I should really see, they will quote it.   Of course in regular conversation with the ignored person, others do quote stuff that I may not want to see, but I just have to put up with it.   The thing may not be perfect, but it works for me.    

 I have no problem ignoring people. In fact, I'm glad that occasionally the people I'm ignoring are quoted by other people. Seeing their posts reminds me that I'm not missing anything worthwhile by ignoring them.

As well as... as well as clicking on the "show post" button :DDDD

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

So you were wrong, then ;-)

If you said it this way, I would have known you were at least half-kidding.

Where'd be the fun in that?

I'm certainly not a fan of trolling actual debates with some substance, but when you spend a bit time elaborating your point, and then the dude just posts "yea, I meant the boring part", it's pretty hard to resist responding in an equally dismissive manner. I mean, what can you possibly say to that?

Care to explain that?

Nothing to explain there, bud. You put in old, tired fortune cookie wisdoms, you sow dismissive, nonsensical Monty Python quotes.

Using a strawman now?

No.

Maybe because I never heard that before regarding Qui-Gon...

So what you have rather heard was stuff like "athe characters in the prequels were bland and boring, 'cept for Qui-Gon"? Really?

Okay, whatever. Why do you think his overall performance and acting in that film is engaging and interesting? As far as I'm concerned, most of the time he's just standing there saying his lines.

He's got his "moments", so has Obi-Wan, and even Natalie Portman has a few scenes where she's very okay. But overall?

Grievous is better than Vayden!

Alexrd said:

twooffour said:

So you were wrong, then :D

Because your opinion is a fact? That's not how it works.

Hey, as long as you fully and freely accept sentiments along the lines of "the prequels were awesome movies with great characters and acting" as valid "opinions", I guess one can't accuse you of hypocrisy.

Whatever the case, you sounded pretty incredulous in response to someone calling Qui-Gon boring, so dunno...

The lack of a counter-argument is not a sufficient basis upon which to claim someone is "wrong" in his/her opinion.

... Yes it is?

Oh, I guess the debate is over then

Oh, about the smileys, sure :P

TV's Frink said:

Sometimes I can't tell if 2/4 doesn't understand what :D and ;) mean or if he's just as convinced of his own opinions as I think he is.

Quit with the lame clichés, T. We all know damn well that if I or anyone else were to come out and flat out say "the characters in the PT were awesome", or "Natalie Portman was so interesting the whole time, and in the climactic scenes in ROTS she showed such emotion", or anything as "sacrilegious" as that, you and the majority of this board would start ROFLing and thinking, if not saying, "no what an idiot, he has no idea what makes a good movie, or what good acting looks like."

What's the point of whining and crying about how "convinced someone is of his opinion" if you don't even bother with a counter-argument? I mean, for fuck's sake, at least I've posted a couple paragraphs with examples from Qui-Gon's performance... you know... put it up or leave it.. wait no, how was that again? °_°

As for the smilies, the "smirks" and "teasing tongue"s and "cordial laughters" are as ambiguous and multifaceted on the intertubes as they are in real life.

Can't understand how someone can say something nasty and dismissive while punctuating it with a :D, the "cheerful" smiley? Think of that black dude from Equilibrium. NUF SED!!!

So you were wrong, then :D

TV's Frink said:

I'm guessing the boring part.  If so I agree with Alex, Qui-Gon was far from boring.

He was quite fun to watch when he was putting on a show to trick other aliens, like when he's clowning around with Watto (don't forget to deceivingly roll your eyes as if you were just making up the bet on the fly, Qui-Gon - Watto might otherwise not believe it!), or when they were both scaring Jar Jar into showing them the city (hell, do I LOVE that little moment), or when he was teasing Padmé on Tattoine.

There was the occasional nice touche like his annoyed face at Obi-Wan's "lame joke", or when Obi-Wan starts talking about "symbiont circles" and Qui-Gon's subtly like "oh, boy, now he's all over it again again, he likes doing that doesn't he... but hey, let him be, that'll help convince this stupid fat bastard so heck".

Did emanate some fatherly warmth in his scenes with Anakin.

But that's like, dunno, 20 percent of the movie or something, and when your character's at his best and most interesting when he's putting on a show IN-CHARACTER, it's not really a good sign.

Most of the time, he just looks cool with his beard and says his lines in a boring, monotone way, just like everyone else. Pretty much every last bit where he's involved in Naboo's politics, he's a complete cardboard cut-out. Even in his discussions with Obi-Wan, or his scenes with the Council, doesn't he manage to put any character or passion into anything he says or does.

Sure, leaps above Padmé, he was, but other than that...

Sorry man, but the only character in the prequels who can be boring and make that look cool, is Palpatine. With him, you just know the whole time that he's faking, faking, faking it! 'Nuff sed.