twooffour

Ah thanks, I'll probably watch it some time soon :)

An in-depth analysis of the Matrix score would be great, too.

Great, can't view it from GErmany!

What kind of stuff did he say in the lecture? Like, was it analysis, the classical influence, the work with the motifs, the interaction with the visuals and sound, or something else?

Well, in that case I'd say, we had already experienced "the menace" in the previous scenes where the Jedis hack the robots to pieces, and then again, when they're running from the massive tanks and yet the robots don't give a shit about them.

Telling a "joke" that moment was the only appropriate decision, I'd say. Following a cartoon rabbit into some city while they're trying to warn the invaded? Not so much.

They'll blow us into tiny pieces, and BLAAAST us into oblivion!

cap said:

 

(2) Pernilla August. Shmi may be the most “real” character in the saga, thanks to a genuine performance by August.

It's funny, I had remembered her as a pretty nice performance until I rewatched the movie somewhat recently... GAWD, she's awful.

First of all, her speech and acting is just as monotone and unnatural as Portman's, and above that, almost every interaction she's in happens to drip from saccharine.
All she really does in this movie, is putting on a "concerned", or "caring" face expression, in the kitschiest and flattest manner possible, and then reciting clumsy lines about how she dies everytime Annie flies on a podracer, or how he was "meant to help you"... gaaaah, awful.

So she learns that Annie can go free... "oh, that's wonderful, Annie!"... sorry, where's the believable emotion? She just gives off a fake smile, then looks "concerned" again when Annie gets it, then gives him a lecture about how he can't change the tides... what the FUCK?

She's responsible for some of the most fake, melodramatic, kitschy dialogue scenes in the whole movie. Her character, and her performance, are completely flat, bland and eyeroll-inducing, and just contribute to the overall cheese in that whole Tattoine chapter.

And her accent is annoying, too.


The two Jedi were fun whenever they were "acting" in front of another character, imo. Taunting Jar Jar, shitting over Watto etc. - also they're quite good in the final battle. Aside from that... complete bores :D

adywan said:

twooffour said:

adywan said:

What do i like about the prequels? That Star Wars started with Episode 4 ;)

And then ended with 3!

Revised: Started with 4 and ended with 6

But... but... I don't understand, I just said... how??

adywan said:

What do i like about the prequels? That Star Wars started with Episode 4 ;)

And then ended with 3!

Um...



...

Whatever you'll need me to do, I'm always there!

So then I re-invented it :D

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

The "cringe inducing" was referring to TPM, in case you missed that...

I was talking about ROTS.

as to the stuff in EpIII, well, I happen to like most of it in that way. If you find that "cringe inducing awfulness", then obviously you don't see any "unintentional camp" in those parts ;)

I haven't actually started that meme, have I? :O

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc.

If you think entertaining camp and silly fun = cringe inducing awfulness, then sure, I guess.

The "cringe inducing" was referring to TPM, in case you missed that - as to the stuff in EpIII, well, I happen to like most of it in that way. If you find that "cringe inducing awfulness", then obviously you don't see any "unintentional camp" in those parts ;)

TV's Frink said:

Words can be offensive regardless of how they are delivered.

/topic

I've already covered that.

darth_ender said:

Twooffour, we can get away with more, and I would likely not be so blunt in reality were I to address others here personally.  But I think it gets to a point of being unreasonable all too often, and that was my original intent.  Let me give a hypothetical dialogue.

 

-I like the PT because of such and such.

-PT sux!!!!!!! lol rofl byob rsvp tgif tnt

-Umm...I like it.

-UR stupid!!! sol omg laser bff ttfn

 

Here I exaggerate and am not accusing anyone of such silliness (before I tangentially offend anyone again).  I'm just adding some humor.  But my point is that I get annoyed when I try to provide reasons for liking something and then get shut down in five words or less simply because someone does not like it.  I prefer reason to bumper sticker slogans.  That is my reason for causing this whole debate, and that is why I'm always so long-winded.

By the way, bet you all didn't know that laser is an acronym.  It stands for Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation.  Now go win at Trivial Pursuit :)

Ah, well, yea, sorry for going off a tangent, then? :)

But yea, that kind of argument, is just a stupid thing. The people doing the "unthinking", either enjoy being stupid without social repercussions, or they don't care, for stated reasons. (Or they don't realize it :D)

Obviously, I'm not saying that there is anything to justify being a dunce on the web :D

Not to strain the upper limit for off-topic posts for this thread (too much), but seriously, I don't understand how anyone can honestly, and rationally disagree with ANY of that.

It's just common fucking sense.
Being insulted or threatened on the internet, while maybe serious for psychologically vulnerable people, is nowhere close to a comparable situation in real life, where you'd need both muscles and strong enough personality in order to brush that off.
Having someone openly, and bluntly disregard you as a person, or disrespect your opinion, religion or whatever, is way more tolerable on the web, than in real life.
Being humiliated, or cornered, by doing something wrong, or saying something stupid, or saying something potentially correct but too hard (for you) to back up at the spot, can be quite an issue in real life, but is almost none on the internet.

There is no immediacy of reaction and response on the internet (not even in a chatroom), where a wrong expression can already be read as a sign of weakness, or defeat, no way for someone to use their "imposing personality" in order to influence the course of a conversation, no sensation of being "exposed" and having to act adequately in real time, and always time to digest and reconsider.

Not to say that anonymous internet communication doesn't show very comparable patterns to real-life behavior, as well as emotions accompanying it, but it's all bleaker and less powerful.



To give you an example (and get back to the topic), if I met a prequel defender in real life, I probably wouldn't care much that he is one, except maybe a little bit for the few minutes, and would only get involved in some kind of "passionate" discussion if we really knew each other very well, and spent some time talking about stupid bullshit at a coffee.
Because there's nothing more pathetic than two people who don't know each other starting to bash in each others' skulls because of some stupid movie (in real life).

I also don't start arguments about the immorality of the Christian doctrine if I get invited to some liturgy by friends. I may listen to the stupid-ass sermon and be murdering sweet, innocent puppies in my head, but a lot of social conditions will have to be met before I start arguing at all - and some more for this argument to get to an actually honest, and blunt level.

On the internet? I go to some youtube video, see some stupid opinions, and just post the fucking rebuttals. End of story.


If you can't "agree" that any of that makes complete sense, then hey, you know, don't eat the fish ;)

darth_ender said:

Not intending to stereotype.  I just notice that people's feelings become much stronger when online due to the accompanying anonymity.  Believe me, I have my passions.  But if you notice, people are generally more polite in person than on the Internet.  To me, that seems to be because you can get away with it more.  Instead of having to back up your statements or use a polite tone, you simply say, "That's the way it is," and you feel proud of your tough stance and little guilt over who might be offended.  It's not just here, and I admit to falling into this tendency on a number of occasions.  It's merely a sociological observation, and not a condemnation of a group of Star Wars fans, a group to which I proudly belong.

Well, part of the reason there's "little guilt" about offending somebody, is that you don't offend anybody ;)
Not in the amount you can in real life, at least.

Many people like to notice that people behave more, well, "bluntly", in the internet, but the question is, *should* we behave the same as in real life?
I say, no. Thanks to anonymity, and the emotional barrier that is the computer screen, you don't have to fear the same humiliation from voicing a risky sentiment, and you don't get your feelings butthurt anywhere as easily as in real life. So we're doing quite alright ;)

xhonzi said:

Just a quick note to say I agree with 2/4-

There is a qualitative difference between the "romp" style fun of ID4, MiB, ANH and others and the unintentional camp of TPM.

Perhaps not everyone can see that difference.  But 2/4 seems to be going nuts thinking he's the only one that can see it.  I can see it too.

Heh, now we two have conspired against zombie, eh? ;)
I think PoC is fun :D

Imo, the actually entertaining "camp" (as well as genuine silly "fun") is almost all in RotS - the clichéd one-liners, the OTT villains, etc. - in TPM, there are many attempts at fun and humor, but most of it ends up being either unfunny, or cringe-worthy :D

zombie84 said:

but on the other hand it's sheer existance could be seen as disrespecting the memory and integrity of the classic original. It's the principle. Some things are untouchable, regardless of who is doing it and what their intentions are.

1) I agree that the concept of "forgiveness" is very weird, and self-important. Like, "I, the fan, am very mad, and angry with you, and I shall only give you my forgiveness if you..., so I demand that you ... so I, so WE, will cease to be angr-"... how pompous and self-inflated in that??
Demand the original versions for all the numerous rational and emotional reasons there are for that, and that's all that's needed.

2) That's purism and I think it's absolute nonsense. Generally, most arguments hinging upon conceptions of something being "offensive" or "disrespectful", aren't worth very much.
Tamper all you want with whatever awesome classic you can get your claws on, just don't take away goodies from other people.


PS:
By the way, here's a brilliant post on this sort of topic, from a while ago:
http://www.mxoforums.com/showthread.php?tid=33222&pid=408593#pid408593

Not in response to anyone in particular, just something I've remembered :)

TV's Frink said:

You might not be gay, but you're probably bi.

Nah.

DuracellEnergizer said:

twooffour said:

I've once seen some EU book cover, or something like that, with some face morph picture on it, of Anakin between I and II. He looks like both of them :D

This one?

Hehe, yea, although I think the one I remember was him standing with a lightsaber, and somewhat more recognizeable as Lloyd. But it was a long time ago :)

Thanks!

Ziggy Stardust said:

 

I win.

 

Yea, pfft...

Too old.