twooffour

TV's Frink said:

I have no reason to try to convince you of anything.

Added to list: Try to convince 2/4 of anything.

Well, then hide behind my 'if' ;)

TV's Frink said:

I like how you always hide behind "if."

Well I'm still waiting for a confirmation.
Your latest post strongly suggests that it's the case, though.

TV's Frink said:

Added to my list: discuss "anything" WITH twooffour.

As far as I'm concerned, that's far better than doing it at the level you've been doing the past weeks.

TV's Frink said:

Here we go with fact and opinion again...

Yes, accusing someone of being a racist, is a factual statement that has to be supported by arguments and examples, not an innocent subjective opinion.

If you thought it was alright to call someone a racist and then hide behind "well it's just my opinion", then I'm afraid you don't know the difference yourself, and are, simply put, a moron.

You know what, fuck you :D

Bingowings said:

I don't need to it's a fact.

Yea, and facts have to be backed up.

Now I'm going to say it's NOT a fact and you're just full of it.
Just one of those 'tards screaming racism and Islamophobia whenever someone criticizes the moral values of radical Islam.

I'm pretty sure you won't come up with any examples, though, because my evaluation was a correct and you have none.

Oh.

Yes, and I'm agreeing.

captainsolo said:

Just remembered one of my favorites: In Superman II when Zod and Co. are terrorizing Metropolis, Superman finally shows up to do battle. But he had just stripped himself of his powers in a way that was supposedly irreversible! Nothing is explained as to how they magically came back.

He aksed his dad, and his dad helped him (some green crystal from the first movie appeared).
Next :D

Bingowings said:

^Correct again.

 Pat Condell is a giant turd...with a big racist bum.

If you think Pat Condell is a racist, you're an idiot. Sorry (actually, I'm not).

But I'll play - please give me at least one example of him saying anything negative about any RACE, or a person based on race.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

Just like in the Matrix, they jump between skyscrapers and get pushed through concrete walls with zero injury - but it's not real, so it doesn't really bother.
Obviously, throgh a real guy at a stone wall, the wall won't break, his spine will

The Matrix isn't real.  The Jedi live in a world where they have more abilities than normal people.  Not the same thing.

Well, we could have this discussion if the Jedis were somehow extraordinarily invulnerable in the movies. I think Obi-Kenobi once fell on a metal plate, and they can generally jump from great heights (which isn't a giant stretch on suspension of disbelief), but that's it.

So they basically have SUPERNATURAL POWERS that make their bodies stronger, give them supernatural and fast reflexes (knowing where a bullet flies without seeing it), and make them able lifting objects.
I'd say the movies stay within these confines pretty well.

No one ever is ;)

Bingowings said:

^He's right.

My response was grammatically abysmal.

I guess I hadn't even noticed that for the giant turd in its content.

RedFive said:

Bingowings said:

^Great, after listening to that ill informed racist ranting I don't mind listening to your ego farting even less.

Win.

No.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

With regards to Shmi, I'd suggest you rewatch her scenes one more time (in case it's been a while you watched it the last time). I used to think she was pretty good, too, but then I rewatched it, and was vomiting for hours.

I have been living with TPM for the past several months*.  Believe me, I've seen it all plenty.  And I still like Shmi.

Ok.

Thank you for the informative response!

Just to clear it up, though, that's what I meant - that they're much better than the BEST in real life, you know, for awesome movie purposes.
Their reflexes are so fast that they can deflect strokes that would've killed the very best real life fighters 15 times.

I'm not trying to be a smartass here (I know very little about swordfighting or martial arts), but I guess it's a matter of how believably it comes off on screen.
When they do their minute long exchanges, or twirl around, can one analyze their movements and show where exactly the other guy could've hit and pwnd, but didn't because he's so lame (=for movie purposes)?
Or is it more like "it does work on screen, but real-life people would've long failed at some move by that point"?


I guess that's really my question here. Some unconvincing examples from the prequels aside, I've looked at some in slow motion, particularly Maul vs. Obi (it was a while ago, though), and my impression was that there was no time for Maul to hit Obi while he was twirling, because his saber was still recovering from the momentum of a previous stroke, and Obi's saber was ready for defense in a matter of no time.

It becomes a point of just how far can you suspend your disbelief? I would relate it to jumping ability of the Jedi. In ESB & ROTJ, we see that Luke, as he progresses in his jedi training, gains the ability to jump higher, farther, and faster than normal humans. He has become superhuman. But it's not "MILES" farther... It's enough to clearly be beyond the ability of real people, but not so much that it becomes totally unbelievable. Cut to the prequels where we now have Jedi jumping like frogs so far and high that it becomes utterly laughable. They pushed the boundaries too far & it results in destroying the credibility of anything on screen. I submit that the sword fights suffer the same problem.

TV's Frink said:

I think both Jedi come off well in TPM.  Ani's mom does a good job.  I even like Watto and Sebulba.

I agree with the last two.
I think it's fairly representative of the entire trilogy itself, though - they obviously put more effort into the animated characters than the actors; even Jar Jar has more personality than the Jedi.

With regards to Shmi, I'd suggest you rewatch her scenes one more time (in case it's been a while you watched it the last time). I used to think she was pretty good, too, but then I rewatched it, and was vomiting for hours.

Just so... sweet, bland, unexpressive, like she was the singer for the Carebears title or whatever. Like reading lines from a script.

ROTJ features a lot of going through the motions, especially Han.

TV's Frink said:

I know what you are saying, Bingo.  But just to be clear, I really do hate the faces McDirmind (sp?) makes during that duel.  It gets even worse when he's fighting Yoda in the Senate chamber.

Heh, to me that's where the real awesome begins :D

Ah, got it got it, everything's fine now :D

Ah whattheheck... based on the OP's original rating system:

ANH: 7
ESB:  7
ROTJ: 6

TPM:   3
AOTC: 2
ROTS: 4

The OT can be scaled up by one point (if you stop thinking about "other great movies"), the PT one point down (I was being nice to it for the parts I liked).
That would certainly represent the gap better.

Bingowings said:

NO EXIT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIfVI9lGZyc

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

It's worthy to note, however, that the Windu vs. Palpatine duel had next to no acrobatics (only one short frame of CG Palps doing some frog flip against a desk), and it was one of the most tense, intense duels in the prequels.

All of Palpatine's terrible facial expressions would like a "word" with you.

Ironically, I had this very same exchange at the RLM boards, where I brought up how I liked the duel, and then someone increduously posted a series of silly facial expressions from both actors :D

My opinion is that they don't look terrible or silly when in the movie - you could say that about Palpatine, but he looks so damn evil and threatening at the same time, that it kinda stops mattering :)

My opinion is that it looks terrible in motion too.

Well mine isn't ;)

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

 

I said I FOUND your opinion POORLY JUSTIFIED.

THAT'S not "possible."  I rated the movies based on my enjoyment of them.  I can't be "wrong" for ENJOYING a movie.

Well, if you had read my post above properly (i.e. also the parts that weren't in CAPS), you wouldn't be saying this. For at least three reasons.
So whatever.

Yea, I've found there are multiple different "caches" on my computer, so I'll need to figure that out real quick ;)
But I'll make it :)

(And that crocoduck is perfectly visible, what's your problem ;DD)

TV's Frink said:

The amazing thing is after all this, he posted another hotlink fail in the LOST thread.

Oh shit, I forgot...