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#555865
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Gaffer Tape's YouTube Reviews of Awesome Candy-Creating Goodness! (The Facts of Life/Star Trek III Conspiracy!)
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Re: Dragon Box

So much FML!!! I was waiting for them all to be out to buy it. Thought the prices would be cheaper that way. Then they decide to make Box 2 a fucking rarity...

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Re: Batman serials

I think of movie serials and, feature films/movies as separate things in terms of category. So in spite of me knowing about these sets of movie serials I still consider Adam West to be the first movie Batman. That's my hugely biased view and you can't change it even if you torture me!!! http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6051/faceiconsmalltongue.gif That said I've only ever watched this one on the uncensored DVD set. It was interesting to see the censored VHS edit bit there.


Edit Oh yeah I also watched WRTR season 1 in "marathon mode" a while back. Congrats on winning it and being a judge for season 2!

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#555861
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Star Trek TNG on BluRay confirmed !
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555861/action/topic#555861
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bkev said:


That was Twist...

Leonardo asked for the gif. I find the gif and post here.... <THAT!

Leonardo said:

twister111 said:
 
Leonardo said:
TV's Frink said:
 

doubleofive said:
There's a whole bunch of shows done on video that will never be out on Blu-ray, why aren't we fighting over them?


Ooh, good idea! Anything that leads to more silly fighting gifs has my support.


As soon as you wrote "fight! fight! fight!" I was looking for one with Homer Simpson flicking the light switch on and off, I think it was from "Lisa on ice", but found nothing.

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twist, you just made my day. :-) thank you  :-*


You're welcome :-)

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#555858
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Health and Fitness
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EyeShotFirst said:What do you do to stay healthy? How much do you run a day? What do you eat? Say anything, hell even talk about how you want to get healthy.


I eat meat to keep my eyesight...

Before you think I'm joking, I'm not. Basically three times by accident I managed to just eat/drink non-meat products for a few days. Orange juice, yoghurt, pasta without meatballs, stuff like that. The first time I didn't know what was happening or why my eyesight was leaving my right eye. I forget at the moment how I went from recognizing I'm going blind to eating some turkey. Either way it worked, and I got my eyesight back. Happened again years later and I remembered my previous experience. I struggled with my eyesight enough to cook some leftover chicken from the fridge. It worked and I wasn't very hungry at the second time considering I already ate 20 minutes before. So it was tremendously difficult for me to try to eat more. I always just eat until I'm full. Anyway by the third time I knew what to do and ate some beef. I don't know why my body is like this but it is. I need meat to continue my ability to see. My body's weird like that.


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#555807
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555807/action/topic#555807
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Alright finally getting back around to replying to this thread.


Warbler said:
twister111 said:

That aside that homeless person is still a person. Whom pro-life advocates would fight to keep alive at the point in time when they're a fetus. Yet when born, and as many children do, grown up. It's wrong to do something illegal to ensure survival because there are choices.


yeah, if there are ways to avoid staving to death other than stealing, it would be wrong.    However if there were no other option I don't know that it would be wrong, in that case, to steal. 

Why should it matter that there are other options though? The starving person did something to ensure survival for another day. If you're really gun-ho about people surviving, even at the physical strain on another person against their will, why is stealing food wrong? Advocating that a person be forced to deal with a guaranteed 9 month problems on the basis of one consensual encounter. Yet something that ensures further survival for another day while physically harming no one is so wrong. For some reason I see a huge disconnect there.

If your going to say "What's the equivalent of consent to sex for the store to allow anyone to take food?" Well the store didn't exactly lock it's doors. They consent to people entering their store. They put a whole bunch of food on the shelves. Many items aren't behind a door while inside the store. While it certainly wouldn't be the choice of the store to let people just take food without paying. If you're pro-life that's not exactly about choices is it? Just that people survive. So who cares EVERYONE STEAL ALL THE FOOD!!!!


Warbler said:
twister111 said:

The point is, that starving person is still a person who's doing something to try to survive. A fetus has a village of pro-life people fighting for it to be born at all cost. Once born that village turns a blind eye "nope it's your life now. Someone else take care of it."


perhaps, but if someone tried to murder it once it was born,  those same prfo-life people would be fighting that too . . . and so would the pro choice people.

Once someone is born they can survive without being a direct physical burden to someone else.


Warbler said:

twister111 said:

So you'd want someone to have possibly hard to pay medical expenses, injuries, irreversible changes to their body, and needed time to recover against her will? Just so your choice to be pro-life is appeased to, and there's another life on this planet that still needs to be taken care of well after birth.


its either do all that stuff against the mother's will or kill the kid against the kid's will.   

Alright how about this. A new law which states that those who profess themselves to be "pro-life" must then be legally obliged to take care of at least two kids either adopted, or their own genetically. Adults who are forced to take care of these kids must be physically able to have a job. This would mean that these people fighting for these people to live in the first place actually have to work to ensure that these kids survive. Not too much to ask in my opinion. Afterall being pro-life is as much of an initial choice to have sex. If you're really for these potential kids surviving then it should be no problem for you to deal with taking care of the consequences of these kids surviving.



Warbler said:
twister111 said:

Adoption does not, and will never solve the problem of a child coming into the world unwanted already.


never said it would.  the point is, with option of adoption open,  you can't not say that pro life people are trying force a 20 year obligation on anyone.

The physical affects of pregnancy don't always stop at 9 months. The Hollywood notion of "getting your pre-pregnancy body back" is nice for those stars that get paid to get back in shape, but it doesn't always work out like that.


Warbler said:
twister111 said:

Warbler said:
theprequelsrule said:

I feel that the opposition to abortion, from the ancient world to today, is based on keeping women under control of men.


I don't wish to be rude but that is bs.   I have no desire to "keep women under the control men".    Also remember many people opposed to abortion are women themselves.   


Well it's not exactly easy to be a woman who doesn't want kids. Everything in society, in terms of parenting, is built up to make a woman feel bad if they don't want kids


so let me get this straight you think many or most or some or whatever of the women whom oppose abortion, have been brainwashed by society? 

btw, I would never want make a woman feel bad for not wanting children.  they are a big and difficult and constant responsibility.   I am not sure I ever want kids.   

Brainwashed? No. Pressured? Yes. Same sort of pressure to buy a set of expensive pants because some designer's name is on it. Same sort of pressure to do something as asinine as shave eyebrows off then pencil some on your face. Same sort of pressure that drives the need to wear high heels which cause pain.

Besides that even if they're opposed to abortion completely free from societal pressure. There's also the whole "I could do it why can't you?" or "I wouldn't do that thing I deem as bad, I'm hating on you now." Mentality that each sex possesses. It's why some other women call a woman a slut for sleeping around. "I'm not sleeping around why are you?" "Don't you know sleeping around is bad? I'm in hate of you now." Further why some Heterosexual men are opposed to Men having Homosexual relations. "I'm not sleeping with Men. Why can't you be like me?" "I'm not sleeping with guys, you're a guy too, you should hate that as much as me. I'm a hate on you until you stop." It's a simple psychological urge to latch onto something similar to another person, then to assume they have similar interests on other things you do. If they don't and that interest doesn't fully align with what that person feels as "right" it causes them to hate. In this case in particular "I could go through a pregnancy, you should too!" "You don't want to have kids? You want to get out of it? What are you chicken? I'm a hate on you until you feel the same as I do on this."


Warbler said:

twister111 said:
darth_ender said:

Consequences to your actions?  Whose actions?  I think the only people who made a choice here are the parents who had sexual intercourse.  Who is so stupid that they don't know that sex leads to babies?  Mom and Dad made the choice, not the child.  Don't you think that they should be the ones to face consequences for <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">their</span> actions?


So are you against birth control too?


not me.  I have no objection to trying to lower the risks of getting pregnant while having sex.

What about morning after pills, would you be for or against those?


Warbler said:

twister111 said:
  Is masturbation by a guy reckless abandonment in your eyes because the sperm could not get to an egg? Simply put a bunch of cells that could one day be a baby if left to grow are a lot different from someone who already sustains themselves on their own blood system. I mean guys don't save sperm after every ejaculation, drive to the sperm bank, and make a deposit to ensure it's survival. That's a lot easier then a woman carrying a kid to term. Forget hypothetical situations where guys could carry a kid to term. Guys could do this for every ejaculation if they felt so strongly that potential life of a few cells is so important.

twister111 said:

It's not a light decision to make but, I feel it should at least be an option. Taking that option away, is like making it law that every time a guy masturbates he must save it to make a deposit in a sperm bank.


a sperm cell is not the same as fetus.   sperm is not human life.   I am not 100% certain when human life begins, but I am 100% it doesn't happen before the sperm cell combines with the egg cell. 
 


Sperm have the potential to help create a human life under the right conditions. Which is not being tossed in the trash in a tissue. Guys everyday make a choice to prevent the potential human lives that could exist by throwing out a bunch of cells. Masturbation is a choice. Miscarriages very often are not. Yet if that Personhood amendment passed women could've been charged with murder if they miscarried. Considering how strict that law would have been if it passed. No exemption made for rape, incest, and stroke. Even if the pregnancy could possibly kill the mother it would've been illegal to perform an abortion due to the chance that she might survive. Medical treatments that could help the mother but hurt the fetus would've been banned. Certain forms of birth control would've been banned. I don't think it would be out of the question to also get a law where it's mandatory for all non-physically disabled adult males to make sperm bank deposits every three days or every time they chose to masturbate. In order to ensure that as much potential cells to create human life get a good chance at creating human life. Yes this would mess with guys lives, becomes harder to take long term vacations and whatnot. Still it's only fair.

All that said I might have to respectfully bow out of this discussion soon. I feel odd doing this considering this thread was created in part because of me. However a few of the hypothetical situations brought up here just hit a little bit too close for comfort. I'm sure it's by no means intentional by the posters here so I take no offence. Lets just say I've lived a very harsh life. I wouldn't be able to answer some of these scenarios in a way that's easy to convey to the world wide web. I've also come to realize that my perspective on this matter probably wouldn't be fully understood unless I basically told you what I've been through in life. I'm sorry but I'm just not comfortable saying all that so that some random googler could read up about it. I probably haven't answered the above questions in any real coherent manner. Again I'm sorry I just, some of the other stuff mentioned here just makes me think of stuff I'de rather not. I still want this answered though.


twister111 said:

darth_ender said:  Think of a woman in an abusive relationship.  This man threatens to stalk her and hunt her down wherever she goes.  The easiest course of action may be to simply shoot him while he sleeps.  That's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">self-defense</span>, right?  I think you know that is wrong.
No not really, at least killing him after she's already gotten away from the attack is slightly wrong. During an abusive beat down though, are you saying the victim shouldn't fight back?





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#555582
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Star Trek TNG on BluRay confirmed !
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555582/action/topic#555582
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Leonardo said:


TV's Frink said:
 


doubleofive said:
There's a whole bunch of shows done on video that will never be out on Blu-ray, why aren't we fighting over them?

Ooh, good idea! Anything that leads to more silly fighting gifs has my support.


As soon as you wrote "fight! fight! fight!" I was looking for one with Homer Simpson flicking the light switch on and off, I think it was from "Lisa on ice", but found nothing.

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#555211
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555211/action/topic#555211
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I'll respond to the above points in a few hours. I just wanted to post this.

A while ago there was a Personhood amendment in Mississippi which would've defined human life starting at the moment of conception. In the case of rape, incest, stroke, ectopic pregnancy, and possible death to the mother it would be illegal to abort the fetus. Furthermore if a miscarriage were to occur it would have to be investigated as a homicide. Treatments that could help the mother, but hurt the fetus, would've been illegal. Thankfully it was rejected, but you see the kind of slippery slope that was almost crossed in the name of "pro-life" right? That could've become law in a state.

Imagine you & your girlfriend are saddened by a miscarriage. You were both pro-life and were excited for the kid. Cops come into your house to investigate things, find some day after pills left over from your girlfriend's sister when it was legal to have those. Suddenly your girlfriend is in prison for murder even though you were both pro-life. If that "Personhood amendment" became a law something like that could've happened.


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#555111
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555111/action/topic#555111
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Warbler said:

so you are comparing a bum on the street stealing food from a stranger  to fetus naturally taking nutrition from the mother?   I see that as a good comparison.    Neither a baby nor a fetus can fend for itself.   They need to be taken care of by someone.   As for the bum on the street,  there are charities and food stamps to use.  Just what do you expect a fetus to do?   I don't think we have the medical knowledge needed to remove a living fetus from the mother and provide it with the necessary nutrition it needs to survive and develop into a baby.   Until we do, I think it preferable that the fetus remain inside the mother until born.  


Even if such a machine were invented where a fetus could be taken out to grow into a baby without a womb you can bet it won't likely be used for the majority of abortions. Whatever medical process it would be is likely to be expensive. Most likely to be used by the rich so that the birthing/carrying a kid process wouldn't make her fat.

That aside that homeless person is still a person. Whom pro-life advocates would fight to keep alive at the point in time when they're a fetus. Yet when born, and as many children do, grown up. It's wrong to do something illegal to ensure survival because there are choices. Even though stealing food from a supermarket physically hurts no one. Forcing a Woman to carry a baby to term is 99% guaranteed to harm her in some way. (99% because of the rare 1% where they don't even realize they're pregnant.) Charities can run out of food. Food stamps can be a hard process to get, or once you do get them they can be stolen. If your physically disabled getting a lawyer to get disability pay can put you 5K in debt after you win your case. Months afterwards are spent paying off your lawyer's fees. It's sometimes not so easy to get food. I'm just talking about those previous options from an american perspective. There are bound to be other difficulties, elsewhere in the planet, that I haven't listed here.

The point is, that starving person is still a person who's doing something to try to survive. A fetus has a village of pro-life people fighting for it to be born at all cost. Once born that village turns a blind eye "nope it's your life now. Someone else take care of it."

Warbler said:

 

twister111 said: 

The quality of health for that person is a lot better aborting early. Hypothetically you hear a story on the news where a Woman had to get 20 stitches, or another story with a huge cut across her abdomen. Then you hear that she could've avoided such injury. It's hard not to instantly jump to the thought of "well why didn't you stop that?!" Isn't it? Even though you know I'm talking about a baby being born. 


your last sentence already answered your question as why you didn't stop that.  

So you'd want someone to have possibly hard to pay medical expenses, injuries, irreversible changes to their body, and needed time to recover against her will? Just so your choice to be pro-life is appeased to, and there's another life on this planet that still needs to be taken care of well after birth.

Warbler said:


twister111 said:

I've only scratched the surface here. There's also the quality of life for the child after it's born, coming into the world unwanted already


again, when you talk about deciding whether the kid is better dead than alive, you are playing God.   Also remember as for being unwanted, there is always adoption. 

Adoption does not, and will never solve the problem of a child coming into the world unwanted already. There's a tv cliche of the mother who gives a kid up for adoption, but she actually wanted the kid. Just wasn't the right time to raise it for her. Nice and rosy for tv. Where real life is concerned she just might not have wanted the kid. Kids don't always get adopted even if they're put in the system. Even if they are. They could be adopted because they tried to have a kid but failed. Then, hey, they suddenly manage to get a kid. Suddenly they pay more attention to their "real" kid. An adopted kid could spend his/her entire life wondering "why didn't my biological parents want me?" Of course there's always a possibility they could have a good life, but it doesn't automatically mean adoption is some magic good life assurance system. I'm not playing God. I'm looking at this subject from all the possibilities I can imagine, or heard of happening. I see a picture that isn't always bright and cheerful.

Warbler said:


CP3S said:

There are fates worse than death, to use a cliche.


perhaps there are, but do you want others deciding that for you?   Do you want others deciding for you when your fate is worse than death and therefore deciding to do away with you?   I say we can't play god.  If we have to choose for another person, I we should assume life is always preferable to death.   The only person who should have the right to decide if death is preferable to life for a individual is the individual themselves. 

Yet you feel confident in your decision to determine for someone else in this situation. "Playing God" isn't just a phrase exclusive to deciding someone's death. Your just as much "playing God" by saying that those people should be born.

Warbler said:


theprequelsrule said:

I feel that the opposition to abortion, from the ancient world to today, is based on keeping women under control of men.


I don't wish to be rude but that is bs.   I have no desire to "keep women under the control men".    Also remember many people opposed to abortion are women themselves.   

Well it's not exactly easy to be a woman who doesn't want kids. Everything in society, in terms of parenting, is built up to make a woman feel bad if they don't want kids. From childhood rhymes
"blank and blank kissing in a tree,
K.I.S.S.I.N.G.
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes a baby in a baby carriage."

To story lines on tv shows. In secret life of an american teenager (I HATE THIS SHOW!!! I know this story line because some of my family likes it. HATE HATE HATE THIS SHOW!!!) there was this teenage girl who wanted an abortion. The father was opposed to it. The mother was fighting for her right to choose. The day before the abortion she decided to go through with having the kid anyway. Some birth control ads have the woman portrayed with 2 or 3 kids already. With the implication that should you want more kids you can stop the treatments. It's a huge amount of pressure for women to have kids.

darth_ender said:


Consequences to your actions?  Whose actions?  I think the only people who made a choice here are the parents who had sexual intercourse.  Who is so stupid that they don't know that sex leads to babies?  Mom and Dad made the choice, not the child.  Don't you think that they should be the ones to face consequences for <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">their</span> actions?


So are you against birth control too? Even if you use birth control it's not always 100%. Still are you against heterosexual sex unless the couple in question wants a kid at that moment? Is masturbation by a guy reckless abandonment in your eyes because the sperm could not get to an egg? Simply put a bunch of cells that could one day be a baby if left to grow are a lot different from someone who already sustains themselves on their own blood system. I mean guys don't save sperm after every ejaculation, drive to the sperm bank, and make a deposit to ensure it's survival. That's a lot easier then a woman carrying a kid to term. Forget hypothetical situations where guys could carry a kid to term. Guys could do this for every ejaculation if they felt so strongly that potential life of a few cells is so important.

darth_ender said:

 Think of a woman in an abusive relationship.  This man threatens to stalk her and hunt her down wherever she goes.  The easiest course of action may be to simply shoot him while he sleeps.  That's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">self-defense</span>, right?  I think you know that is wrong.

No not really, at least killing him after she's already gotten away from the attack is slightly wrong. During an abusive beat down though, are you saying the victim shouldn't fight back?

darth_ender said:

 But when it comes to abortion, I see very, very little grey.  You are taking an innocent person's life.  I've mentioned my grey area, and even there I think that much consideration should be given before performing an abortion.

I think a lot of consideration should be given too. It's not a light decision to make but, I feel it should at least be an option. Taking that option away, is like making it law that every time a guy masturbates he must save it to make a deposit in a sperm bank.


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#555002
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/555002/action/topic#555002
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darth_ender said:


By the unanimous vote of all twister111s here, I am starting a thread devoted to the debate of abortion.


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Anyway coincidently I was thinking about the walking dead's Pro-life message during it's zombie apocalypse premise a few days ago. It really got me thinking about the subject of abortion as weird as that is...

So I thought about the whole side of the debate of "a fetus is undoubtedly a person from the point of conception". Well then lets look at that from that perspective completely. Yes it being a person affords the right to live. Though the right to live comes with certain consequences to your actions. A starving person doesn't usually get away with stealing food. In spite of plenty of people treating their pants as food theft 'r us. Still without eating a person will die. Then what right does another individual have to force another to eat foods they don't normally eat, force bodily changes, cause them to throw up, force them to carry them around for 9 months, and kick the inside of their body? Essentially stealing nutrients from her to live. Now if it's that woman's choice to let those things happen then hey congrats! New life! Yay people are happy!

However if a woman doesn't want a kid for various reasons why force her to go through all that? Yes a life will be lost, but shouldn't she have the right to self defence? What I mean about that "self defence" point is that in a way that's what abortion is. It's protection from the injuries incurred during childbirth, the bodily changes, the weight gain, getting sick. The quality of health for that person is a lot better aborting early. Hypothetically you hear a story on the news where a Woman had to get 20 stitches, or another story with a huge cut across her abdomen. Then you hear that she could've avoided such injury. It's hard not to instantly jump to the thought of "well why didn't you stop that?!" Isn't it? Even though you know I'm talking about a baby being born.

All that said yes I realize a kid can be a wonderful, wondrous, and inspiring bit of joy to enter someone's life. I just recognize that the situation isn't completely black and white. There are too many variables to every situation to conclusively say "Yes you must keep the kid alive, because we say so!" I've only scratched the surface here. There's also the quality of life for the child after it's born, coming into the world unwanted already, and hell I could write an entire book on all the different variables for deciding to abort.

Finally, I do feel that there are some situations where it's distasteful to abort. Mostly when the kid is close to being born. Got a 9 month alert window and you decide to wait until it's close to being fully formed to want an abortion??? What??? At that point just procrastinate for a little while longer, give birth, give the baby up for adoption.



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#554968
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The ethics of eating sentient-shaped confectionaries
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/554968/action/topic#554968
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darth_ender said:

 I don't much care for the candy design and my interpretation of the intended message, but frankly I think this thread as met its end for me.  Again, I will gladly and passionately debate anyone in the politics thread.


Is this some abortion topic discussion hot potato or something? It starts out in the famous person thread, jumps to a thread roughly designed for it, jumps again to another thread. Where's it going to end up next? What the "this thread is currently about...", or the Cake thread? Curious minds need to know.


(FYI I do have something to say on the matter, but need to know how long the topic will stay stable in a single thread. I don't see much of a problem keeping it going here. Politics thread is full of other stuff.)


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#554965
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Facepalms, Fist pumps, Whatever Faces, Don't Care Meters, Angry Faces, Crotch Kicks, Crying Faces, STFU, Deal With It, Derps, Oh Snap, Double Takes, and So On...(NSFW Language Advisory)
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TV's Frink said:
It's official, Neglify is a twister sock.


LOL no. I like my one account here... Unless "Neglify" is my future self time travelled to this point... If that's the case I'm pissed my future self didn't bother to visit me in person.

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#554709
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When You Are a Movie/TV Character...
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Do not, I repeat do not get a job as a probation worker. DO. NOT. DO. IT. Get some other job. Any other job. Ever since this storm in the UK probation worker death rates have mysteriously increased. So do not do it!!!

Also should you visit the UK, and you see a cat responding to the name "Mr. Miggles" run. RUN LIKE YOUR BEING PUSHED BY THE INCREDIBLE HULK!!!! Go the opposite way of the cat!!! Do NOT try to pet!



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#554383
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Last movie seen
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I watched Inception. Fell asleep when Cobb was in that room of sleeping people and he took the drugs to fall asleep. I awoke right after the first bridge "kick" when the car was falling toward the water. I actually dreamt about the movie while the movie was playing... Anyway I'm a be nitpicking here. A flaw I think in the movie is that even during the climax there's still "rules" being set up for the way the dream world works in the movie. Rules don't stop being made until almost five minutes to the end of the movie. Slightly distracting. Again this is just a nitpick, it's a great movie.



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#554380
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Last web series/tv show seen
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Yoda Is Your Father said:



FremenDar said:

The Walking Dead.


Same here. Just watched season 2 mid-season finale.   Awesome ending.


I lament the loss of the second Vatos episode due to alleged "unusable" footage. Click here to see my guess for how the season 2 premiere was originally going to be. I also wonder how all the episodes of season 2 would've been edited had Darabont not been fired amidst editing the season premiere.


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