Episode 4 was…okay. The music, sadly, is still often too on the nose and corny. The story was fine, though very predictable.
well yes I agree but Jabba is talked about as a character…
You simply are not looking beyond that Jabba could be the one to report the falcon and not Garindin and Garindin is talking to his boss as a henchman.
I don’t agree with shoe horning stuff in but Jabba was meant to be in the film originally.
I think it’s a passable idea and with subtitles Jabba could report the falcon.
Garindin “Greedo is dead and they are getting ready to leave”
Jabba “They are not going anywhere, I will see to that”
It is better than the Special edition version I think anyway
I find this quote if Garindin is solely an imperial informant… “I can tell you where to find them… for a price.” Subtitle is missing this is actually probably a nicer find…
It would be good to find a clever way to insert Jabba though I think this idea has escaped but the missing subtitle is cooler in a way 😃
Ok So let’s do this but Different after Han leaves Cantina a Shot of puppet Jabba “Put a price on Solo so big he won’t be able to go near a Civilised system for the rest of his life” This simply sets up Empire and Jedi in one fell swoop.
Pretty sure the intent was that he was calling the Empire and Jabba just happened to be in the room beforehand, and that these were two unrelated things happening.
Correct, and connecting them is world-shrinkage
2002 was a strange time. But hey, I guess he was just a really early Rose Byrne fan.
When you say “missing subtitle”… is there any reason to believe there was ever intended to be a subtitle there? Seems to me that the scene totally works great with no subtitle, so the lack of one was probably intentional (and a good decision).
Surely they also want to do their own version of the original Thrawn trilogy
But Garindan is clearly informing the Empire (see: he talks to them later, and then they run in and shoot at the Falcon), not Jabba. Furthermore, it would be a brief cutaway shot to a character who is otherwise not in this film and, except for a forgettable moment several films previously (if you’re even watching in that order), has not been in these movies yet. It would be distracting, confusing for the audience, and completely unnecessary.
^ I saw the Imax AOTC at Navy Pier in Chicago in November of 2002 and loved it . I would also love to see a fan recreation of that cut . Here is a resource that may help editors that wish to attempt it , archived on TFN …
http://www.theforce.net/episode2/story/The_Definitive_IMAX_Cut_Scenes_List_64801.asp this is pretty much what I remember seeing .
I’m going to quote the whole thing here, just in case that page ever goes down.
The first scene with Amidala, Organa, Yoda et al in Palpy’s office is gone.
The portion where Jar Jar greets Obi and Anakin at the elevator up through the “awkward reintroduction” of Anakin to Padme was removed. The scene starts with Obi/Ani talking about how they’re going to find the person responsible, etc.
After Anakin makes kouhoun sushi and Obi leaps out the window, the end of the scene where Dorme’ asks Padme if she’s alright was trimmed off.
A minor trim: the part where the assasin droid (to which Obi-Wan is clinging) tries to scrape Obi against the building was removed.
The rest of the Coruscant chase remains intact, and WOW - it is simply breathtaking (if not a little dizzying on an 8-story screen)! This is a scene almost tailor-made for IMAX.
In Padme’s quarters, a minor trim of Anakin playing with the floating ball and (I think) the part where he says he’s ready for the trials.
The discussion between Obi-Wan, Mace and the floaty Yoda was removed.
On the train, the tearful goodbye of Dorme was trimmed out of the rest of the scene (since I am a HUGE Dorme fan, I wasn’t so happy about this). 😃
The library scene was completely removed.
The very end of the arrival on Naboo (where they are walking down the long curved columned pathway was trimmed, as was the entire meeting with Queen Jamilla.
When Anakin and Padme arrive at the Naboo Spa and Resort Island, there are quite a few minor trims - the part about “here, everything is soft and smooth” to the hand touch and back rub was clipped out.
As far as the rest of the Naboo scenes go, the only ones that were left in were the dinner table scene (with some beautifully crafted digital pans to account for the reduced aspect ratios - it was 100% smooth and natural. At least we think that’s what they did!) and a much abbreviated but significantly smoother fireplace scene. The “I’m haunted by the kiss you never should have given me” is one of the exorcised lines. No “sound of music”, no picnic and no Shaak-riding.
On Kamino, the portion of the scene where he heads back out to his ship to have R4 send a message back to Coruscant was trimmed out.
Boba’s firing of the Slave I cannons was trimmed out of the fight, but we didn’t realize it after the scene was over!
The Anakin “a sheet, a dream, a moan” - scene is gone. It goes straight to Anakin in his meditative “Vader-esque” pose on the balcony.
On Tatooine, 3POs introduction of Anakin/Padme to Owen/Beru was cut (taking with it Beru’s one and only line - sorry, Beru fans!)
In the Confession scene, the beginning part in which Anakin comments about “the shifter broke. Life seems so much simpler when you’re fixing things,” was cut. NOTE: The ending of the Confession scene is the original ending (ie. without Padme’s “…is to be human” line).
Dooku’s entrance into Obi-Wan’s floating cell was trimmed off, as was the end portion about “it might be difficult to secure your release”.
The scene in Palpy’s ofc where he manipulates Jar Jar to consider making the “emergency powers” motion in the Senate was removed completely.
Yoda and Mace’s conversation where Mace states that their abilities to use the Force are diminished was cut out.
On Geonosis, there is portion of the scene after Ani/Padme exit the ship, and R2 wants to do the same. The part where C3PO and R2 argue, and 3PO says that he knows all about humans was trimmed off.
The factory scene was shortened by numerous quick cuts and edits. A couple of the cuts we caught were the shots where C3PO hanging by his fingertips and the 1st “teaser” of molten metal where you see the cannister iris open and drop a load, only to find out that it wasn’t Padme’s container.
The final battle, as far as we could tell, is completely intact and completely freakin’ amazing now that you can actually see the battle going on in the background!
A note: not a cut, but a switch: after Padme falls out of the transport and the trooper arrives to help her, it is the version where she grunts and just says “Uh-huh,” when he asks her if she’s alright.
I’m currently imagining that after the Empire completely crushed the Mandalorians in response to their attempted rebellion (The Purge, as it’s apparently called), the survivors went into hiding. They’re staying hidden, despite the fall of the Empire, because they’re waiting to recuperate some strength before trying to retake their homeworld. They’re too few, too vulnerable 5yr-post-ROTJ.
I am really looking forward to any behind-the-scenes they do on the effects work on this. I’ve heard Kuiil referenced as being motion-captured, but that sure looks like a physical costume. And the Yadpole is so, so likelike. It’s amazing.
No I think this would fit in Fan Edits much better.
Also you misspelled the name of the show.
The music is very uneven. Sometimes it’s great, other times it’s too cheesy. The show needed a Firefly soundtrack, but instead got half a cheap Marvel soundtrack.
But other than that, it’s great! I have no other complaints at all!
BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS
See my very old thread: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-The-Temp-Track/id/12014
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It’s good, but the shots feel framed really funny with all that static space.
I did notice that at first, but then, almost instantly, I got use to it. I like the wider shot. This looks great snooker! Can’t wait to see how Jar Jar is completely removed from TPM!
I think the issue is that Watto’s shop no longer feels small.
It’s good, but the shots feel framed really funny with all that static space.
It’s a cool idea, but wouldn’t a more mystical reason make more sense in SW? E.g. the idea of bonding with a living crystal if you’re a Jedi, or “bleeding” it if you’re a Sith.
I don’t get why so many people don’t like the new lightsaber crystal lore. It’s such a Star Wars-y concept. They’ve even named them Kyber crystals.
because the inclination against the mystic side of Star Wars is strong among sci-fi nerds
If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?
If anyone can actually remember what that particular color grading looked like for a movie they saw once, maybe twice, in theaters seven years ago, I’ll be impressed!
If that kind of claim was going to be made anywhere on the Internet, surely it’d be here.
but, the explosions in the OT literally are the most realistic possible explosions ? because they’re real ??
They’re the most realistic small explosions of models filmed in an atmosphere with gravity, sure.
There is probably a link between the Dennis Villeneuvue Remake and them Restoring this version to cash in on potential new interest in the property yes.
He may have meant a hyperlink.
Yeah I don’t really see any improvement here. If anything, the flames are more obviously small-scale.
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Given their increasingly monopolized position, the way they’re putting classic Fox films into “the vault” and out of the repertory theaters, not to mention the state of copyright thanks to their lobbying, I’m reticent to give them money for anything.
Listen, I understand what you’re getting at. But if you’re someone who wants to watch this show, this is the way to do it. A boycott isn’t going to accomplish anything, just prevent you from enjoying something you might like.
Yup, if you think a corporation is doing bad things, they’ll definitely change if you give them your money.
Nearly all corporations are doing bad things. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do about that, never see a movie again? Never buy an iPhone or shop at Walmart? Disney doesn’t give a shit.
For the record, I probably won’t be subscribing anyway (I’ll most likely be borrowing someone’s password). Happy?
I mean, a little bit, sure. Sorry, I should not have been so sarcastic.
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Given their increasingly monopolized position, the way they’re putting classic Fox films into “the vault” and out of the repertory theaters, not to mention the state of copyright thanks to their lobbying, I’m reticent to give them money for anything.
Listen, I understand what you’re getting at. But if you’re someone who wants to watch this show, this is the way to do it. A boycott isn’t going to accomplish anything, just prevent you from enjoying something you might like.
Yup, if you think a corporation is doing bad things, they’ll definitely change if you give them your money.
The trailer looks really good! I love the original direction it seems to be taking. Unfortunately, I will not be using Disney Plus. But I will try to stay unspoiled, on the off chance it releases elsewhere.
I don’t really understand the reluctance. If you just don’t want to have to subscribe to another service you can always wait until the whole season’s out and just do a month. I really hope this gets released on home video but there’s really no guarantee of that these days.
Given their increasingly monopolized position, the way they’re putting classic Fox films into “the vault” and out of the repertory theaters, not to mention the state of copyright thanks to their lobbying, I’m reticent to give them money for anything.
What is that font
Nice to see them explicitly disconnect the hand from the saber immediately.
Only from the top and bottom. I can understand not wanting any cropping whatever if you’re combining a 4:3 DVD with a 4:3 laser videodisc, but when you’re dealing with VHS, which very often, if not always, has a bit of picture distortion at the bottom of the frame (my VHS copy is, of course, no exception), it just can’t be helped if you’re going for consistency, which I am in this case. Besides, I watched my entire VHS copy cropped to 1.66:1 just to be sure it’d work, and all the titles managed to fit rather well. Plus, the DVD, which I intend to use for most of the restoration process, has some artifacting of its own in a single shot, and cropping to 1.66:1 hid it quite nicely. One key objective of a restoration, after all, is to make the program look good.
Oooh, I understand now. Thanks.