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#562873
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Just watched clip 2.rar and it looks great!  One minor observance: In the wide shot where Vader is looking out the windows, the Star Destroyer only appears in one window, but shouldn't the back of it be in the next window over similar to how it is in the blu-ray version above it?  It is hard to tell if it should be there because it might be right on the edge of needing to be there.

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#552785
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Nothing new at the moment.  I needed a break and haven't been working on it.  I will probably get back to it soon though.  I had a few other things to keep me busy in the mean time, like this: http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Death-Star-10188?CMP=KAC-SAHCSNA&HQS=10188   Got it for my birthday/Christmas present.  :-)

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#549902
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Thanks esagrero!

Harmy - I am not sure.  It might be something with the scanning, or it could be in the print.  I don't have a way to project it at the moment, but I started looking into a Dukane Micromatic II.  They are pretty cheap on ebay.  I was thinking I could project it and take pictures with my DSLR camera and see how it looked, but then I decided that it would not be nearly as nice as my current method of scanning.  I also have an old slide projector.  I might be able to find a way to run the film through it but haven't tried yet. Some of the darker areas are pretty dark and if I try to lighten them, I get too much noise (like the left side of the trench run).  That might indicate that it is faded, or maybe my light source in my scanner is too dim.  In any case, it is good enough for me and I am not going to worry about it for now.

Also (one of my trade secrets, so thanks for exposing me, lol), when I scan, each frame initially has different levels of brightness and pinkness built into it, but I can't avoid this in the scanning software without sacrificing picture quality.  However, I found a great way around this.  By using Photoshop and converting the color profile to Photoshop 5 CMYK, it removes most of the pink and standardizes the brightness of the scan amongst the frames.  Then I convert it back to RGB.  I think the scanner provides an initial color profile that changes adjustments in each scan and by converting to CMYK, it removes those adjustments.  The resulting image still has a slight tinge of pink to it, but it is much better.  Maybe I can find a new color adjustment I can do to all of the frames to remove the remaining pink.  Again, this might be from the scanner or inherent in the print.  Not sure.

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#549672
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Hi -1, yeah I looked into those, but they are very expensive and as you mentioned were limited to 40 frames.  I wasn't aware of the mods and I do have an Electrical Engineering degree, but I think I will just stick with what I have.  The scanning and aligning goes pretty quick now.  It's the post processing that eats up most of my time.  That wouldn't really change with the Nikon.  Thanks for the info though!  Let me know if you still need help with warping issues.  There is a time consuming but doable way to manage that.

LOL Harmy, love the new trailer!  Great job!

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#549556
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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I looked at both versions of the SE trailer on youtube and that scene is different!  Here are the two on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwG9xyQmIE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10kdekzIYUM&feature=related

I am not sure which one I have on film yet, but I think i have the first one because of the purple copyright text under the Star Wars Trilogy logo.  If that is the case, then that will have to be my source of the audio due to the different Jabba scene and who knows how many other scenes. 

After listening to the Jabba scene in both, it seems like I might be able to splice that in from the Youtube audio source if I can match the volume.  I want to have the cleanest audio possible.

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#549491
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Thanks for the positive reinforcement!  It helps to keep me going by making me feel that all the time I put into this is somehow worth it. :-)

Harmy, it is fine by me if you want to use some shots.  I am curious, which shots are helpful to you?

Regarding the new clips, I used After Effects instead of Xvid4PSP to create them (except maybe the MPEG2 version - can't remember now because it was late).  I also used a muxer included with Haali Media Splitter to mux the AC3 audio.  I have been having problems with TSMuxer.  All of the videos now work correctly on my buggy work computer if I use VLC.  The 1920x1080 MPEG2 version works fine with Windows Media Player.  The 1920x1080 MP4 version has correct video without dropouts, but no sound using WMP.  The 2560x1090 MP4 version doesn't have video or sound in WMP, but the progress scrollbar moves.  At least VLC should work for everyone now.  Also, I figured out why my levels were wrong in VLC.  After I disabled using my video card for acceleration of the video in VLC, it looked correct.  At home WMP works fine for all of the clips.

Also, I noticed some white frames somehow showed up in between the scenes on the 1920x1080 versions.  I caught one of them last night, but noticed more today. One of my new automation steps that changed the older already done frames from 1920x818 to 1920x1080 caused that.  I will delete the white frames and upload some replacement clips.  In the meantime, viewing the 2560x1090 version works fine.

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#549419
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Another new clip!  I am striving for as close to perfection as possible, so this is a lot of work!  If all I had to do was scan, this would be done much faster.  I have been and continue to hand fix all of the blemishes on each frame, and some frames take longer than others.  The rest of the steps of the process are automated, but they are multiple steps that I have to manually kick off (cropping and level adjustments change for each scene).  I think I greatly improved the level adjustments of the final Death Star explosion - I remembered that I originally adjusted the levels in a hurry when I had to catch a flight.  I still may decide to rescan and redo that scene with the new rig after the rest of the trailer is done, but it is pretty good now so we'll see.

Here are the files:

2560x1090 MP4: http://www.mediafire.com/?hfbxz780tb52ynj

1920x1080 MP4: http://www.mediafire.com/?vzt8t1i2m2qhlos

1920x1080 MPEG2: http://www.mediafire.com/?8e0cr6khqz6mw8c

I also wanted to mention that the WQHD (2560x1090) resolution does make a noticeable difference on my 30" monitor and I am glad I decided to include it.  It's kind of like the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080.  Neither is bad, but 1080p is better.  Same goes for WQHD.

I also made an AVCHD (Bluray) disc with the MPEG2 version and it looks great on my 163" movie screen!  :-)

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#547975
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Here is a new clip!  This includes my original Death Star clip and everything else I have scanned so far with my new method.  The motion tracking in After Effects works perfectly, but takes a long time.  You have to set it and leave it to do its thing.  In the future, I will do one scene at a time so it should be easier to handle.  Enjoy...

Here is the 2560x1090 version (MP4): http://www.mediafire.com/?yzy9z1d35h4zco9

Here is the 1920x1080 version (MPEG2 because I had problems with MP4): http://www.mediafire.com/?a4utebjs2lszt3l

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#547829
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Not sure if it has been mentioned, but it always has bugged me when the lizard is crawling upward and to the left out of the hole as Luke is climbing down, the lizard's tale wraps around the side and just stops once he gets to a certain point.  I am not sure if it is worth doing anything with, but it distracts me every time I watch that scene.  See 2:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CVh4hAYjurQ#!

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#547678
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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TServo2049, I don't remember that but you could be right.  You might want to ask in your own thread so more people can see it.  Not sure which forum is the correct one though - probably general discussion.

 

Judge, thanks!  It is less than a minute per frame, so about 24 minutes for 1 second of video.  I also have to spend probably about the same amount of time per frame in post processing work.  So lets say about 1 hour for 1 second of video give or take a bit.  It's time consuming, but fun (at least for now :-) ).  If I do the post processing at the same time, it would probably be more like 30 minutes total work for 1 second, but it gets a bit crazy multitasking back and forth and it's easier to make mistakes.  Eventually I will try doing that though so I can work faster.  The whole trailer would be about 70 hours of work.  If I can spend an hour a day, then in 70 days, it will be done :-).

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#547337
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Thanks, that is very helpful!  It is almost 11:00 pm here, so I won't get a chance to try it until tomorrow evening.  I will let you know if I need any further help.  Do you know if it is possible to track two or more points?  I would like to track the sprocket holes on both sides if possible.  If not, it probably won't really matter.

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#547324
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Thanks for the feedback!

In short, my process for doing this is using a flatbed scanner.  The reason why I was being secretive about it is because I have been told on numerous occasions that it could not be done this way, and I never accepted that answer and wanted to prove to myself and others that it could be done with acceptable quality before saying how I did it.  It wasn't without it's challenges though. 

There are many things I had to deal with such as:

- dealing with a roll of film instead of individual frames

- aligning each frame properly so that it doesn't jump around

- getting all of the information off the frame without crushing blacks or blowing out whites

- matching the color between each scan

- cropping each frame in the right spot

- getting enough resolution but not so much that it takes forever to scan

- aligning each physical frame on the film roll properly when scanning

- keeping the film and the scanner glass clean and free of dust

 

I had two scanners that were capable of scanning film.  I started with my older scanner because it was like a dream come true for scanning roll film.  That scanner is an Epson 1640su photo scanner. http://www.galerie-photo.com/epson_perfection_1640su.html  It has a transparency unit that sits on top and has a film holder that lets you slide the film through it from side to side which is great for roll film.  The problem is there is a little bit of space around the edges of the transparency adapter and the scanner glass, and also around the edges of the film holder and the transparency adapter.  When scanning the film, the frames would not be aligned properly.  35mm film is very small and any slight movement misaligns the frames.  Also the sprocket holes were hidden in the film adapter, so there was no point of reference for aligning the frames.  Also, the scanner resolution was enough for 1920x1080p, but not enough for full WQHD resolution (it was still better than 1920x1080p though).  Also, it crushed the blacks a bit.

Next up was my newer scanner - Epson V300 Photo.  Much nicer, newer, higher resolution, etc.  It has a built-in transparency adapter by removing a white plate out of the lid.  http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l%253D241661%2526a%253D241491%2526po%253D3,00.asp?p=n#fbid=8syvXc6_UbW There are several challenges with this scanner.  The film holder that it comes with doesn't accept roll film.  It expects you to put pre-cut negatives into the holder and you fasten them in with a small plastic door.  Also, in order for it to work in transparency mode, the film holder needs to be in place or it will detect that it is missing and give you an error.  I thought of running the roll film underneath the film holder, but that led to another issue.  The film strip in the adapter runs lengthwise but there is a rectangular window at the end of it that can't be blocked or it won't work.  So you have to do it horizontally one frame at a time.  The problem is the top of the scanner hinges along the side instead of the top, so it gets in the way of being able to run the film that way. 

So what I did for the first clip with the Death Star explosion was run it somewhat diagonally underneath the film holder and then used Photoshop to straighten everything out.  Also, I used it to align the frames by overlaying them and using the Difference between the layers.  Since the scene was stationary, I could use the stars as reference points.  The huge challenge was each frame didn't line up exactly right so I had to stretch it in areas to get everything aligned.  This was extremely time consuming, but the end result was pretty good.

During the process of this, I discovered this nifty device: http://www.amazon.com/OMNI-Stand-Alone-Image-Slide-Scanner/dp/B0046TBJEM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319082819&sr=8-1  This appeared to be a perfect solution to scanning roll film.  In reality though, it produced crappy results.  The film had to slide through a clear plastic holder inside and the plastic came scratched so the scratches would be in every frame and it was essentially a CMOS video camera and not a scanner, so the picture looked terrible (full of cruddy noise) compared to what I was getting with my scanner.  So it was worth a try, but I returned that.

So finally, I came up with a really good solution and that is what I used on my latest clip.  I figured out that by scanning in a different spot on the scanner glass, I could run the film roll perfectly horizontally on my newer scanner and not have to do it diagonally (wish I would have figured that out earlier).  Then I built a wooden frame tightly around my scanner and I screwed in two film holders from my old scanner - one on the left of the scanner, and one on the right for passing the roll film through at each end.  This allowed me to perfectly align the film without it moving around at all.  I would just have to worry about aligning in the up and down direction essentially.  Here is a pic of my rig: http://i52.tinypic.com/2elxhep.jpg

I use the same process as before with the Difference between the layers in photoshop, but now I can use the sprocket holes for reference because they get scanned when passing underneath and across the film holder.  When scanning, I do one frame at a time because that is all that fits under the opening of the film holder.  It makes it easier to do one frame at a time too because I can just move it over 4 sprocket holes at a time and scan.  It's easier to count 4 than 32 for example.  To get rid of the dust and to protect the film from getting scratched as it goes under the film holder, I rap the film with a microfiber cloth.  This works perfectly and I don't have dust problems like I was having tons of before.  Each frame gets scanned in under a minute and has enough resolution for full WQHD.  So I basically surf the net as I scan frames and the time flies by. 

After scanning the frames, I have to manually align them in Photoshop.  This goes very easily now that it is straight and I can use the sprocket holes for reference.  After that, I can automate the rest of the post processing in Photoshop - crop in the same spot on every frame, resize every frame, color correct the same way on every frame, etc.  After all of the frames are done, I bring them into VirtualDub and make a lossless AVI.  After that, I use Xvid4PSP to make the final video. 

Monday evening after work, I scanned 116 frames.  I have been busy after that, so I haven't aligned them yet, but to make a clip out of them should go pretty quickly.  It would start at the point where the Star Wars Trilogy screen ends and the Millenium Falcon flies by the planet Yavin, then Luke shoots his photon torpedos, then the RotJ Death Star blows up which would be from my original work.

So in a nutshell, that's my process.  A lot went into getting where I am today, but now it is working pretty good.  It just takes time and dedication to scan and align the frames.  The rest is pretty easy.

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#546642
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Thorr's 35 mm Star Wars Trilogy SE Trailer WQHD Restoration (Part-Finished)
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Thanks again!  Here is a screenshot comparing how it looks on my computer.  The top is from VLC and the bottom is from Windows Media Player.  I adjusted the black level as far as I can without losing detail in the original images and the darkest parts are pretty close to black as shown in the middle between the images.  Does it look the same on your computer?

http://www.mediafire.com/?tqgvu06be5jy6bt


Are you saying the black level should be darker, or the image as a whole should be darker (ie the white levels are overblown)?