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#197730
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Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197730/action/topic#197730
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Originally posted by: Warbler
There will be subtle deviations from tradition. The slogan "Truth, Justice and the American Way" won't be heard; instead, newspaper editor Perry White says "Truth, justice, all that stuff." It's a nuance that could help bolster international appeal, at a time when the image of the United States is not exactly at its zenith.


I know I'm going to get blasted, but I'm am American and changing to line to "Truth, justice and that stuff" is political correct bs. Superman may not have said the line in Superman II, but he did say it in Superman I. Superman is an American so he should fight for the American Way(and I don't mean Bushes way), and we as truth and Justice. It is a classic line and should not be altered just try to avoid offending nonAmericans. If they get offended, too bad. The movie should make the studios more than enough $$$ in US alone without worrying about pandering to the rest of the world. And if your worring about offending people, what about the Americans you'll be offending by taking out the line?


Superman is a Kryptonian, and he fights for humanity. Look at the first movie, Jor-El didn't send his son to America, he sent his son to Earth; and he didn't send him to help the Americans; he sent him to help humanity. It was by chance that Superman happened to land in Smallville, USA. If he landed in St. Petersburg, he'd be speaking Russian (even though he probably knows Russian anyway) and he'd be fighting for "Equality, Brotherhood, and the Russian Way." Hell, Superman per sé doesn't even live in the U.S.A - his Fortress of Solitude is in the North Pole for crying out loud! All I'm saying is that Superman doesn't suffer for the lack of nationalist rhetoric; rather, it helps put the whole story in its proper perspective.

Don't you think all that American Way crap is more at home with the Golden Age Superman? When was the last time you read the slogan in a Superman comic, and when was the last time you saw him fighting for the 'American Way'? If the new Superman movie was emblazoned with 'American Way', it would be received as a Team America minus the heavy satire. That is to say that the whole 'American Way' thing is not so much threatening or offensive to the world as it is just plain cheesy - hard to take seriously. Nobody wants to think that Superman fights for mom, apple pie, white picket fences and an SUV; not even democracy - comics are escapism, and I don't think comic fans place much faith in any of these things (not even American ones) - comic readers are people yearning for real heroes (not as in non-fictional, but genuine) in a world without heroes; real role-models; ones outside and above the spheres of politics, law, society, etc.

And let's not forget that Perry White's line is as much a throw-away one as anything else.

Perhaps it is weak, and perhaps it is motivated by not wanting to offend people, but if the line wasn't mentioned at all, the movie wouldn't suffer for it, and the spirit of the Superman mythos as a whole would be properly represented. If it was mentioned, however, it would be cringe-worthy to all non-Americans in the way that the Padmé/Anakin love scenes are cringeworthy to Star Wars fans (well, at least the ones that aren't creepy stalker types).
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#197575
Topic
Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197575/action/topic#197575
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To have Superman merely fight for the American Way is bullcrap anyway - as in, not in line with the spirit of modern Superman comics - and it sounds aggressively imperialistic. Superman is a world figure, and the scope of his comics, while they may be based in the fictional U.S. city of Metropolis, go beyond even the world - interplanetary. They didn't even use the line in Superman II, so why does it matter? Not to mention the fact that we are talking about a Perry White quote - Perry White would say something dismissive like that, even about his own country - he's a newspaper editor...
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#197476
Topic
Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197476/action/topic#197476
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
There will be subtle deviations from tradition. The slogan "Truth, Justice and the American Way" won't be heard; instead, newspaper editor Perry White says "Truth, justice, all that stuff." It's a nuance that could help bolster international appeal, at a time when the image of the United States is not exactly at its zenith.


You gotta be kidding me......


Well, Americans are the only ones that take that cheesy crap seriously, and not even all of them do...
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#197386
Topic
spider man 3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197386/action/topic#197386
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Originally posted by: starkiller
What I see from that synopsis is what happened with the first round of Batman movies.
Batman- 1 villian: Joker
Batman Returns- 1 villian: Penguin, 1 Enigma: Catwoman (who seemed to be with and against Batman at different times throughout the movie, from what I remember)
Batman Forever- 2 villians: Two-Face and Riddler
Batman and Robin- 3 villians: Dr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane (must atmit, I never saw this one, so I don't know how significant Bane was in the plot)

More villians <> better movie


Batman and Batman Returns were great movies. I think two villains can be handled quite well (i.e. I think that Burton handled it quite well, and I guess it was 3 if you count Max Shrek).

The thing is, with this Spiderman movie, we will see Sandman, Spidey's new suit (which will somehow be related to Sandman's origin - LAME), Venom (or at least the origin of Venom), a new main squeeze, as well as a further stringing along of the Harry Osborn subplot (and if not, yet another villain in the form of Green Goblin or the Hobgoblin). Does anyone else see this (Harry Osborn becoming his father's successor) as being a long time coming?
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#197376
Topic
MSN's Best &amp; Worst TV spin offs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197376/action/topic#197376
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
And where is mention of other not-so-bad spin-offs? The Facts of Life wasn't terrible, and it introduced the world to George Clooney. I'll remain neutral on whether THAT in and of itself is a good or bad thing.


Granted, Batman & Robin was bad, but it didn't scar me for life (especially now that Batman Begins has set things right). But I think Ocean's Eleven alone made his introduction worthwhile...just try to forget about Twelve
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#197375
Topic
spider man 3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197375/action/topic#197375
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Sounds like a pretty convoluted storyline. Too many villains for one, and to my mind, Sandman seems like a lame villain choice - what can they possibly do with him?

If they did it right in the first place and kept with comic continuity, this all could've been sweet. For instance, Gwen Stacy in the original, have her die at the end when Spidey has to make the choice (like the comics); introduce MJ in the sequel, develop the second Green Goblin/Hobgoblin story to the point where someone actually assumes the identity by the ending...
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#197372
Topic
favorite songs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197372/action/topic#197372
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Didn't some people from a glam rock band die in a plane crash? Like the Skyhooks or the B-52s or something? Other than that, all I can think of is Buddy Holly and he wasn't really 80s/90s material...

B-52s Ricky Wilson died of AIDS. Several members of Lynyrd Skynyrd died in a plane crash. The rock & roll landscape is littered with casualties.


Must've been the Skyhooks then...I think some of them died in either a plane or a helicopter...
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#197367
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197367/action/topic#197367
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
I HATE HAVING AN EXTRA HOUR OF LIGHT AS I HAVE ALBINOISM OF THE EYES. I HAVE TO WEAR DARK GLASSES ALL OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF IT. HOWEVER, I CAN SEE IN THE DARK ALMOST AS IF IT'S DAYLIGHT. MY CONDITION IS EXTREMELY RARE. I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE A DOCTOR WHOSE WIFE HAD IT TOO.


Yeah, I was gonna say - that's kinda cool - like a superpower or something...I hope you don't mind me saying that.

And Shimraa - LOL @ your sig pic! Spinning Baby Driver.