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#536987
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Erikstormtrooper said:

It's funny how some people say you can't complain unless you've seen the discs.

Then others say you can't complain if you buy the discs.

Me? I just remember the words of Katie Lucas: "haters gonna hate. And then haters are going to buy the bluray set and keep complaining"

(and I hope this thread calms down before that big pulsing vein in DJ's head explodes)

Was Katie Lucas the one doing Mixed Martial Arts? Do you think she would enter a tournament with stormtroopers in her entourage? How much do I have to pay to make this happen?!

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#536984
Topic
Does anyone care about the 'extended universe'?
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xhonzi said:

And, as a quick aside, this is a fantasy universe that includes both Dark Magic users and cloning technology- I don't see how you can't have the darkest of dark magic users use cloning technology to achieve some kind of immortality and bring himself "back from the dead."

I agree. I always liked the notion of an immortal Palpatine, and really enjoyed Dark Empire. I'm quite surprised that Palpy has not been resurrected in the EU (again). Instead we are stuck with crap like this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt

 

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#536952
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STAR WARS- The gritty TV Reimagining!
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As long as it is not too gritty (Star Wars must be fun after all), this seems quite good. It should definitely not be called Star Wars; seems like The Adventures of Luke Skywalker would be more appropriate. I also would prefer to retain the notion of a benevolent Republic decaying into a despotic empire.

Let me add some lore from my own Star Wars timeline I did a few years ago:

THE CLONE WARS: 3 separate conflicts that taxed the waning strength of the Old Republic. Each one more vicious and destructive than the last. These involved the forces of the Republic against the Clone Masters and their allies; the dreaded Mandalorians. The end of the wars saw the utter destruction of the Clone Masters, the destruction of all exisiting cloning facilities, the banning of all cloning technology, and the absorption of the Mandalorians into elite special forces of the Empire (often attached to Sith Jedi-hunter squads).

OBI-WAN KENOBI: A hero of the last two Clone Wars. A great Jedi and brilliant general, it was he who formed the famed White Legion that was instrumental in several key battles that turned the tide of the wars against the Clone Masters and their allies.

 

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#536938
Topic
How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community?
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Ric Olie said:

theprequelsrule said:

However, you should only take your hate so far and I don't think I have said anything out of line. If so, I would hope I would be told by a moderator or a well respected member. Or Ric Olie.

I am offended at your statement, sir.  I challenge you to a duel of handsomeness....

...

I win.

I always concede superior handsomeness to Ric Olie. Those piercing eyes, the wavy hair... *swoons*

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#536934
Topic
What was the "fatal flaw" of the Prequels if you think they sucked? (aka. Let's take a break from hating on the blu-rays)
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hitfan said:

theprequelsrule said:

I always pictured the fall of Anakin to be something very basic; power corrupts and abolsute unlimited power corrupts abolsutely unlimitedly (is that a word?). So Anakin was a great Jedi who fell in love with himself, his prestige etc., and caused him to commit more and more heinous acts to preserve these things.

Are you a sincere 'prequels lover' ? ;)  It's OK if you are.  I hate Eps. 1 and 2, but I like Episode 3--though I still have problems with how Anakin turned to the dark side.

Whether it's Anakin being given a terrible choice, or whether power corrupts him, there needed to be something very dramatic.

All I know is that I consider the prequels to be apocryphal and non-existent and I never watch them anymore.  The back story that was built up by Alec Guinness playing Obi Wan Kenobi and telling Luke how the Republic lasted for a thousand generations (years?) and how his pupil Darth Vader betrayed and murdered his father is far more poignant in my mind.

No, I am not a sincere prequel lover. And you are right to relegate the prequels to apocrypha.

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#536921
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What was the "fatal flaw" of the Prequels if you think they sucked? (aka. Let's take a break from hating on the blu-rays)
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hitfan said:

A prequel trilogy without Yoda would certainly preserve the surprise in ESB when it's revealed that the annoying green muppet is actually him.

I also wonder how the prequels would have been like if the name Darth Vader and the mask never appeared in Episode III.  Just have Obi Wan seemingly kill Anakin after he turned to the dark side.  When people see Episode IV, audiences will wonder who Darth Vader is.  And they'll wonder why Obi Wan told Luke that Vader killed Anakin.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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#536912
Topic
What was the "fatal flaw" of the Prequels if you think they sucked? (aka. Let's take a break from hating on the blu-rays)
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hitfan said:

Filthy Pierre said:

The greatest flaw was starting at the wrong point in the story.

Should of started with Anakin as a Jedi already already trained by Obi and Yoda.

As said in one of the posts it should of started with Episode 3 and have that as Episode 1.

 

The Star Wars audience could never, ever identify with a 10 year old Anakin Skywalker.  Small kids?  Probably.  But if I was a little kid watching TPM for the first time, I wouldn't have liked Anakin all that much either.

Your proposal for a different starting point is an interesting one.  I probably wouldn't have introduced Anakin Skywalker till Episode 2 when he was in his late teens, early 20s.  Obviously, he needs a love interest of sorts to be the mother of Luke and Leia.

But there definitely needs to be stronger motivation for Anakin to turn to the dark side.  Perhaps he turns because he is given such a terrible choice where the alternative (the right thing to do) might even have other negative consequences--and not just a possibility that "Padme might die" because of some vague nightmare.  Perhaps Anakin has to use the dark side to overcome such a powerful and overwhelming enemy that we can somewhat understand where he is coming from.

I'm no writer or anything like that, but a competent screenwriter could flesh out something that would be extremely tragic.

I always pictured the fall of Anakin to be something very basic; power corrupts and abolsute unlimited power corrupts abolsutely unlimitedly (is that a word?). So Anakin was a great Jedi who fell in love with himself, his prestige etc., and caused him to commit more and more heinous acts to preserve these things.

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#536906
Topic
How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community?
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I don't feel that I am crazy, or a "nut job" for:

  1. Wanting one of the best films of all time to be released in a high quality transfer
  2. For disliking inane, pointless, soulless films (the prequels)
  3. for criticizing a narcissistic, arrogant, artistically empty "filmmaker" (George Lucas)

 

I will be honest - anyone who likes the prequels, other than as guilty pleasures, has lost the ability to discern quality from crap. There are objective ways to evaluate films and the prequels fail to meet standards of a good film in almost every way.  Hell, they are not even exciting as blockbusters. Enough with the relativistic, politically correct bullshit. It is okay to like crap, but please; don't pretend that it isn't crap.

However, you should only take your hate so far and I don't think I have said anything out of line. If so, I would hope I would be told by a moderator or a well respected member. Or Ric Olie.

But we all have to be honest though - the death of George Lucas would help our cause. When he is dead it is likely that, as a pure business decision, Fox would release quality versions of the OOT. However, I am not so crazy, vile, or cruel to wish his early death so I can have my OOT. In fact I really hold out hope for George to see the light, release the OOT during his lifetime, and once again become the man I had admired so much until around 1999.

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#536496
Topic
What was the "fatal flaw" of the Prequels if you think they sucked? (aka. Let's take a break from hating on the blu-rays)
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Sluggo said:

Bring_My_Shuttle said:

...

The devil's in the details. For example, there was a poetry with Luke cutting off Vader's hand in ROTJ, seeing it was mechanical, and it dawning on him that he was in danger of turning into the same as he contemplated his own mechanical hand. In the PT, Vader got his hand and legs cut off, and left to burn and die a painful slow death by Kenobi. It just crapped on that ROTJ moment, and showed Kenobi to be a sadistic hat to boot.

...

I would add to this that while Anakin still needed to have fallen into the volcano (that's right..VOLCANO, not some lava river), Ben needn't have cut his arms and legs off.  They could have lost in the volcano.

I always disliked the volcano idea, and for some reason I always thought the injuries we see in ESB and ROTJ seemed like those associated with radiation exposure. I think I was convinced after seeing TPM that Anakin would received the injuries in that same power core on Naboo where Maul fought Kenobi and Jinn.

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#536446
Topic
Conan: Red Nails
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TheBoost said:

An animated feature based on this story, Conan: Red Nails, is currently in production. Actor Ron Perlman will provide the voice of Conan. Tolkemec is voiced by Mark Hamill in this version. However, there have been no updates to the film's website [19] since December 2007. IMDB currently lists the film for release in 2010.

How does this happen? Does somebody get enough capital to record dialogue and open a website, then just hope they get more money?

I hadn't realized how many YEARS it's been since I first heard about this movie being 'made.'

Pity.

I doubt they even recorded any dialogue. I did not like the animation style they were using anyway so I'm not disappointed that this has been (presumably) cancelled.

The only way to make Conan properly would be to use the same guys who made the Ninja Scroll anime, or get Milius back to make a live action HBO series (even if Milius kept his alternate universe Conan as seen in the 1982 movie).

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#536439
Topic
What was the "fatal flaw" of the Prequels if you think they sucked? (aka. Let's take a break from hating on the blu-rays)
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Lol. Well, it seems like the prequels really sucked. It seems like they were the anti-Star Wars. In the original everything just came together (somehow), but in the prequels everything seems to have gone wrong. Even the special effects have dated far worse than the OT.

One of the most frustrating things is that some of the earlier TPM scripts seem to have been substantially better than the shooting script.

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#536409
Topic
starwars.com 2011 purge
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zombie84 said:

SW.com has been revised many times.

I think the best was around the time of AOTC. Lots of database and free online stuff, lots of featurettes and videos, tons of free content. Then they started charging money for it all (Hyperspace). When that ran out they dropped everything useful and built it around the kindergarden Clone War movie. Apparently even that has now been rebuilt. It is weird to remember a time from 1998-2003 when the site was useful, valuable and worth viewing. I have the memories at least.

My favourite memories of SW.com are actually from 1996-1999, with the lead up to the Special Editions and then TPM. Man, where does the time go? I can't believe that TPM was 12 years ago, and it still feels like ROTS just came out (6 years ago!).

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#536031
Topic
Why do you think he does it?
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Bingowings said:

I hope some warnings have been given out with some of the recent outbursts on this thread.

Raping a memory, an environment or a cultural artifact is a valid statement (it may be incendiary but the word has uses beyond more common sexual and legal usage).

But salacious innuendo implying that Mr Lucas has abused his children is not only sick but from all accounts a total inversion of the truth.

This site and these forums were designed to right a wrong not wrong a father and a family.

+1.

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#535947
Topic
How do others see the originaltrilogy.com community?
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Most criticism seems to be by those who do not have an appreciation for the historical preservation of an important work of art. I'll side with those passionate about preserving the original theatrical editions of Star Wars, including the "nut jobs", over the indifference of a bunch of consumer whores any day.

Then again, I'm different than a lot of people on these forums because a proper standard definition transfer would more than satisfy me. I don't need high definition. What is frustrating is that the colours and feel of the films is actually superior on some of the old VHS tapes.

As to our cause; it is essentially dead because the problem is not that of having simply to educate people. The problem is that most people don't care to be educated.

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#535919
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Why do you think he does it?
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buddy-x-wing said:

because no ammount of technology or cgi can  fix what is inherantly wrong with the  prequals,  so he has to dumb the original trilogy down.

I wonder if he truly thinks that the prequal movies are the superior trilogy?

Obviously they are more in line with his 'vision'

 

Yes, I think he actually considers the prequels to be the superior films. Young George Lucas would never have thought so. But he is not alone; I think Peter Travers from Rolling Stone said that ROTS was the second best film in the "saga" next to ESB!

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#535592
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Why do you think he does it?
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zombie84 said:

There are two reasons that I can see why Lucas is doing this:

1) He truely was never fully satisfied with the originals and enjoys tinkering around with them. He did this from the beginning--all the 1977 sound re-mixes, the 1981 crawl, he even tried to restore the ANH Jabba scene back then.

So this is nothing new.

But obviously, 1997/2004/2011 tinkering is much, much different than those. So what changed?

Lucas stopped making films and now this is all he has left. In 1981 he could care less about going to so far as to add dinosaurs to Mos Eisley because he was in the middle of shooting Raiders of the Lost Ark, he was about to make Return of the Jedi, and he had just finished producing Kagemusha and Empire Strikes Back. He was thinking about his retirement from the series and was planning on getting back to making experimental films and producing more interesting movies.

That's the biggest factor, IMO.

The 80s came. He got divorced, let go of Star Wars, took a few years to get his personal life back in order, sorted out his finances. Produced some interesting films like that weird John Korty animated film and Tucker and Captain Eo, made Willow, made two more Indiana Jones sequels, got into the business side of Lucasfilm and advanced the computer division and the video game division.

The 1990s then come. Finally he is financially powerful again, had his "rest", had his "family time" where he adopted two more kids, had his fun producing and being the business guy and now was finally going to be a director again, make those weird film that he always said he was going to make.

But instead he went back to Star Wars. And he would stay there. More books, more comics, more toys, more video releases--he realized there was a sleeping empire there. He starts planning on putting that Jabba scene back in ANH like he wanted to do in 1981, but now he starts getting swept away after Jurassic Park and the CG revolution and within a few years he is using the project as an excuse to dabble in computer technology. But he can't get away from Star Wars. An elaborate Special Edition. Another prequel. Another prequel. A TV cartoon. A DVD Special Edition. Another prequel. Another TV cartoon. A live-action series. More books and games. Another Blu Ray Special Edition.

Other than a mediocre Indiana Jones--and, maybe finally, Red Tails if it ever comes out--that's all Lucas has done for about twenty years. Longer than his "retirement." He started working on the SE in 1993 and TPM in 1994, and now it's going on 2012 and he's still stuck there.

So, he has nothing else. He has no other films to put his creative energy into. There's no experimental films, no original ideas, no non-Star Wars films where he is behind the camera, no nothing, just Star Wars. And now he is so old that he never will ever direct another film again. He'll just be stuck with Star Wars, so while in the past he could tinker here and there but otherwise let it be and move on to other things, he's stuck, and all he can do is obsess over them and tinker and tinker and tinker. And when dealing with the older films, he's not the same person who made them in 1976, 1979 and 1982, so it's like he is taking some stranger's film who shares some vague notions with himself and is trying to re-shape them to better reflect himself now. Old George Lucas is literally trying to out-muscle Young George Lucas.

This goes into reason number 2

2) He's creatively castrated himself in his old age and success. Puggo explained this rather eloquently. It's actually not that abnormal. He became so successful, so wealthy, and so isolated from the real world that he lost the ability to be in touch with other human beings through his art, lost the ability to write captivating or engaging scenes and characters. Sometimes, creativity needs to be exercised or else it withers away like an underused muscle. But more importantly, Lucas lost his collaborators. He was never quite as talented as everyone suspected but he knew how to smartly overcome his limitations by surrounding himself with collaborators and letting himself be challenged. That situation no longer exists, because he has willed it so.

So, you have a man with nothing creative or artistic in his life except this one franchise, which he can't get away from, he has to keep going back because he doesn't have anything else to go to. And then when he does, he has all these awful ideas, because he's not what he used to be, and no one says anything about them, because he's created his own world that he can live and work in.

And so Lucas is stuck in this endless cycle. Rick McCallum said it best, there will be no definitive Star Wars version until Lucas dies. And we'll have to see each painful permutation of it as this aging billionaire with a fading creative impulse and a plantation of lackeys keeps bringing his baby to the plastic surgeon to get her to look the way he thinks he wants.

Very, very well said. Zombie, please email your post to all major websites, TV stations, and newspapers.

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#534390
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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DominicCobb said:

miker71 said:

Just like Lucas couldn't/wouldn't secure rights to Flash Gordon, we need an exciting new franchise to get behind (and it won't be from Cameron either). I'm optimistic that can happen, but I think it will be "underground" global phenomena rather than overground corporate shilled-to-death. The Matrix came close IMO, but no cigar.

I don't think I agree with you about Cameron.

Think of it this way: Sci-fi epic is released, becomes a must see event by pushing visual effects to the next level, and it ends up being the highest grossing film of all time. Critical reception is mostly positive, it is nominated for many Oscars including Best Picture which it loses, but many people don't believe in the hype. Granted, the film builds much of its content from pre-existing properties.

Now stop. What film have I described? Star Wars. I know many dislike Avatar, but Star Wars wasn't a sacred cow when it was released either. Now I'm sure most of you discovered Star Wars when you were kids right? Well I doubt you could find a kid that has seen Avatar and didn't like it. Also, Avatar 2 and 3 haven't even come out yet. So we should wait before we pass too much judgement. 

As a side note, I think everyone should be looking forward to Avatar 2. If you've seen Aliens, Terminator 2, or, hell the Empire Strikes Back, you should know what kind of movie we'll get.

We will never see another Star Wars type phenomena. People move on to the next thing too quickly now thanks to our culture being oversaturated with media, and the audience being very tech savvy (there has been no real movie "magic" post-Jurassic Park). Special Effects used to be wizardry, now you just take a course.