thebluefrog

TheAlaskanSandman said:

thebluefrog said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Id enjoy seeing an R rated Star Wars. Itd be a pain with all the blood simulation but i think id be pretty cool. As a kid i always liked the blood in ANH and wondered why they did away with it in the other movies. Corridor crew did some small quick vids but they were more on the ridiculous side. I later understood that the wounds were being cauterized but still. I miss the bombastic squids used in the 80’s like in Robocop haha

You know, I actually had an idea for an R-rated Star Wars, complete with sex and nudity. It’d be doable with some actors’ other works and deepfaking.

However, we have to be honest, the SW community is extremely immature and conservative about sexual material, so it would be negatively received (in public) and get a lot of spiteful attempts to stop it.

Too bad, there’s enough source material out there to make it work…maybe I should take another crack at it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G0OLUOwLSa35g6ytyyO9ZDmz0x_bLFYr/view Quick mock up. No nudity tho

Probably NSFW to click on.

Not bad, not bad at all.

I’ve had more than a few people say part of the problem with Anakin and Padme’s “tragic” love story is that there’s no passion. Lucas, being a bit of a manchild, was obviously really uncomfortable with love scenes in general (he’s said so in interviews that’s not a Star Wars thing) so the best we could have is Hayden reciting out lines like “I’M IN AGONY”.

For the story of a great hero brought down by his passion, we actually have to SEE the passion. Which is basically the problem of the prequels that many many others have already brought up: a lot of talking about things but not showing.

StarkillerAG said:

Here’s the original link that got deleted from Reddit, just for pure comedic value:

https://mobile.twitter.com/neon_heartbeat/status/1279378702372007936

I will never understand why these people create these elaborate fake “leaks” just to make themselves feel better. It just makes them look pathetic and unable to get over anything.

Attention seeking.

Even negative attention is attention. Hence trolling.

idir_hh said:

Some apparent leaks from TROS behind the scenes drama: (take with a grain of salt)
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/hn2lcu/tros_bts_details/

People are saying the Leaks twitter is mostly made up, but this guy: https://twitter.com/kev_jenkins

Has some unseen concept art for TROS from ages ago.

Knight of Kalee said:

Ed Slushie said:

And can somebody make a video explaining this in a less obnoxious way?

Summing it up, they reused the same fight scene twice, but using different angles and adding different VFX to the first one to make it different from the second one (the intended-as-original).

Damn, now I won’t be unable to unsee it :´(

That’s as bad as TLJ’s red power rangers fight choreography with the disappearing weapons. They have the budget, why did none of them actually do quality control?

Anakin Starkiller said:

There’s a line between comedic and just plain comical; the First Order wasn’t intimidating at all once they started just being the incompetent butt of jokes. Snoke too, hurling Rey around telekinetically then bleah I’m dead.

The First Order as a whole is never portrayed as a joke, though. Sure, sometimes the individuals within it can be a tad silly, but they never undermine the organization.

And Snoke throwing people around with the Force is perfectly reasonable. I don’t see the need to label things such as him literally wiping the floor with Hux as a comedic beat. To me it’s just a display of Snoke’s power.

No, you misunderstood what I meant about Snoke. I meant the poor uneven mood of how he was built up to be this big threat, tossing Rey around, and then 2 mins later is lying there comedically with a stupid Jar Jar-ish expression on his face.

Anakin Starkiller said:

thebluefrog said:

NeverarGreat said:

It’s funny, the more you think about it. The First Order General was offed as a joke and their Supreme Leader hallucinated himself into switching sides, then the rest of the organization died off screen.
A story for the ages.

Pretty much all characters except Rey were reduced to jokes by the end.

Pretty sad waste of potential.

Yeah, but most of that happened in TRoS, which only seemed to care about two characters. Hux was turned into a punching bag in TLJ. I actually think most of his abuse is warranted, and in keeping with the trilogy’s comedic tone, but the yo mama joke is too much.

There’s a line between comedic and just plain comical; the First Order wasn’t intimidating at all once they started just being the incompetent butt of jokes. Snoke too, hurling Rey around telekinetically then bleah I’m dead.

It was a problem with the prequels where the tone was uneven throughout all 3 movies, i.e. Nemoidians ended up just being boring and forgotten as villains. Did anyone even remember them by the time Anakin sliced them up? At least Lucas realized his humour didn’t fit with Sith and you can see this with the deleted scenes. I mean Anakin chirping like R2 would’ve been the “yo mama” joke of Sith.

NeverarGreat said:

It’s funny, the more you think about it. The First Order General was offed as a joke and their Supreme Leader hallucinated himself into switching sides, then the rest of the organization died off screen.
A story for the ages.

Pretty much all characters except Rey were reduced to jokes by the end.

Pretty sad waste of potential.

For all editors, a good source of Mark Hamill sci-fi lines is Wing Commander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HEQxuG2Z9o&

In fact I am thinking it MAY be possible to even use the footage itself…

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Id enjoy seeing an R rated Star Wars. Itd be a pain with all the blood simulation but i think id be pretty cool. As a kid i always liked the blood in ANH and wondered why they did away with it in the other movies. Corridor crew did some small quick vids but they were more on the ridiculous side. I later understood that the wounds were being cauterized but still. I miss the bombastic squids used in the 80’s like in Robocop haha

You know, I actually had an idea for an R-rated Star Wars, complete with sex and nudity. It’d be doable with some actors’ other works and deepfaking.

However, we have to be honest, the SW community is extremely immature and conservative about sexual material, so it would be negatively received (in public) and get a lot of spiteful attempts to stop it.

Too bad, there’s enough source material out there to make it work…maybe I should take another crack at it.

jarbear said:

Poor Finn, his character was so mishandled. The most interesting thing about him from TFA was a stormtrooper who turned (showing storm troopers could be more than just drones) that would have been something totally new and have his character build upon that with the Star Wars brand. (Which the leak Dual of the Fates script built upon, that was a good direction IMO)

… and then in this movie … the crew meets up with A WHOLE PLATOON OF TURNED STORMTROOPERS who essentially said “Hey, you know what was cool and unique with your character at the beginning of the trilogy, not so unique anymore! (cue in Nelson’s “Ha Ha!”)”

Anyway, with the whole thing regarding Finn’s proclamation of not telling Rey something. It was still baffling in theaters what HE wanted to say to her, but also, the context of the scene. (Yes, we see throughout the movie it heavily implies he is force sensitive, but again, not really points to what he wanted to say to her.)

The crew, made up of close friends, are probably about to be buried in quicksand and die. The last thing while he wants to say before he dies to his close friend is “I may be force sensitive?!”

Just think about it. The logic and context of the scene is baffling. Let’s say you are with a bunch of friends swimming in the ocean and you all get caught by an under current. You are all about to drown, and one of your friends turns to you and says: “INSERT NAME HERE, I always wanted to tell you I can bowl a perfect 300 game!”

Impressive. Yes. Interesting? Sure. But in that context, makes no sense to blurt out as his/her dying last words.

So although I don’t think you can get around that scene, the context of it MAKES NO SENSE for him to shout that out. You ASSUME you are about to die. That’s what his last dying word(s) will be for that moment? So for me its the context of the scene. That’s what I have a problem with it, personally. On top of that … he then keeps it as a secret the whole time? Really?

That ends my TED Talk.

TFA set up the cards to make him an interesting, unique idea.

A nameless faceless stormtrooper who turns into a new hero, maybe even a Jedi…that adds something to the SW universe. It explores the philosophy/joke that every SW fan has made for decades about whether the Stormtroopers deserved sympathy for just regular people doing their jobs.

TLJ and ROS had no idea what to do after that point. JJ sort of had the “secret Jedi” in the works but never actually followed through, and Rian did the weird “subverted expectations” suicide and tacked on romance, neither of which meant anything.

The Duel of the Fates script gave a far far better completion to his arc that didn’t even NEED the secret Jedi aspect, yet they didn’t go with that either.

Maybe it will be possible someday to Deepfake some sort of Stormtrooper rebellion?

I just realized all 3 movies use the exact same plot point of sneaking aboard/escaping the big bad ship midway through.

Even Lucas didn’t reuse it that often.

Hal, may I get a pm too please?

Anakin Starkiller said:

The problem with the Emperor escaping is Vader has nothing to sacrifice himself for. That’s why I prefer the Emperor surviving on life support.

Well, he sacrificed himself to save his son. That’s the core of Star Wars, right? Not so much sacrificing oneself to destroy an army but to save your loved ones.

Anakin Starkiller said:

thebluefrog said:

Imagine if Lucas had NOT been going through divorce and emotional turmoil during ROTJ.

I can think of two major differences: Nellith would be real and Leia wouldn’t be a Skywalker. That would’ve changed the landscape of Star Wars forever, and both prequel and sequel trilogy would be totally different.

Also, Boba Fett wouldn’t have died in that way.

So you think the divorce is what lead to Lucas deciding wrap everything up in RotJ?

Yes. Interviews at the time show how he was creatively and emotionally burned out. His wife, soon to be ex, helped him with his scripts before–imagine how he felt having to edit them alone after so many years? Not just SW but other movie ideas too. He wanted to wrap things up, 3-6 more movies was too much for him. This is why the writing of Jedi started to falter in places, like the Ewoks. Lucas also had merchandising money (for sniffing Hoth snow) to think about.

It was this burnout that led to Boba Fett becoming the joke death for years. Here’s a sample biography:

https://i.imgur.com/NcKNWVy.png

It’s a tragedy. I want to see Lucas’ ORIGINAL sequel trilogy. Not the Midichlorian one he wrote after the prequels, but the one he envisioned without the Emperor (yet). Force Awakens basically IS that film, only that Palpatine is already dead and the empire is gone. If ROTJ has JUST been about Vader and Luke, then TFA and Palpatine would’ve worked a lot better.

In fact…that’s a good idea. Almost impossible, but if Jedi could end with the Emperor NOT dying and escaping, that would help the Sequel Trilogy far better. Just make Snoke Palpatine and be done with it.

Anakin Starkiller said:

So we’re just supposed to accept that he’s the son of Han and Leia and just so happens to be one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy?

Yes, because he trained with their friend who’s one of the strongest Force users in the Galaxy? I don’t see how that’s an issue.

Besides, you talk of jumping sharks with everything happening conveniently nearby, but that’s exactly the problem that Leia Skywalker is the epitome of, which is why I hate it. Can we go back a ANH without every other person being a Skywalker? Now it’s just the story of a robot telling his step-brother to save his twin sister from their father. In the context of the film, that has to be the biggest coincidence in the history of coincidences.

Imagine if Lucas had NOT been going through divorce and emotional turmoil during ROTJ.

I can think of two major differences: Nellith would be real and Leia wouldn’t be a Skywalker. That would’ve changed the landscape of Star Wars forever, and both prequel and sequel trilogy would be totally different.

Also, Boba Fett wouldn’t have died in that way.

A decent example of the common idea of Anakin using a red saber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtbFvNAzWXs

Idea for Ben’s Death:

Maybe he can be made a Force Ghost while he revives Rey before vanishing forever, sacrificing his afterlife for the Jedi to be reborn.

paja said:

Turn Ben’s Saber (in the TLJ flashback scene) to Green to really show and dig in that “New generation of Jedi” Idea.

I always thought saber colors had a theme:
White : Jedi Knight
Green : Jedi Master

This fit Luke’s path in ROTJ.
It fit Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in Phantom.
AOTC…kind of followed that pattern. Yoda had green, Anakin and Obi-Wan had white.
But then Obi-Wan always had white even as a master while on the council…so it basically fizzled out as an idea with all the various extra Jedis just being whatever and it was clear Lucas didn’t follow the master-knight theme.

There may be ways to do matte-painting style shots using the concept art, but that’d be hard.

Ever notice how all three trilogies end with Palpatine electrocuting himself?

NeverarGreat said:

StarkillerAG said:

I know that as editors, canon doesn’t matter, and we can do whatever we want. But “whatever we want” ideally shouldn’t include Jar Jar being an evil Sith mastermind. That idea is dumb, it always has been dumb, and I don’t understand why some people unironically vouch for it.

Is anyone unironically vouching for it though?

Bringing back Palpatine is on the same level of ludicrousness.

Anakin’s sacrifice is pretty badly tarnished by Palpatine’s existence (and Snoke, really) so may as well go all-in on the insanity.

StarkillerAG said:

It’s extremely likely that neither JJ, KK, or Rian read Aftermath, or indeed most EU books. Maybe they read a wiki summary at best.

The directors and Disney in general don’t really care about the canon as much as the fandom does. Pablo probably has a headache with every new script that comes out as he has to explain the latest contraction.

I know that, especially since TROS clearly contradicted the new canon at several points. But it’s still evidence that the whole “emergency powers” thing was intended to be Sidious manipulating Jar Jar, not the other way around.

My point was really more that “contracting canon” was never a priority for the sequel trilogy, so, really, why consider canon as holy and untouchable?

If we’re gonna edit, may as well go all-in and change things as we want. Why pretend to adhere to canon when the actual company does not?

Take Snoke. Each movie contradicted the holy canon.
TFA: Snoke was an unknown, powerful new Emperor-type leader, but somehow was always there during the original trilogy. Also he doesn’t seem to know or care about Rey.
EU books: The writers had to rationalize this somehow by making vague references to Palpatine sensing Snoke somewhere out there to explain why he didn’t have an impact over the war.
TLJ: Snoke is nobody important and also wants Rey dead now.
ROS: Snoke was actually Palpatine and wants Rey alive.

Before anyone gets worked up–I’m not debating whether these were good or bad retcons or whether anyone liked or disliked the changes.

I’m saying that as editors, we have freedom to do whatever we want.

StarkillerAG said:

He was, but Sidious clearly manipulated him to do it. There’s even a chapter in the Aftermath trilogy where Jar Jar is shown as being an outcast for unwittingly allowing Sidious to rise to power.

It’s extremely likely that neither JJ, KK, or Rian read Aftermath, or indeed most EU books. Maybe they read a wiki summary at best.

The directors and Disney in general don’t really care about the canon as much as the fandom does. Pablo probably has a headache with every new script that comes out as he has to explain the latest contraction.

Anakin Starkiller said:

If I had the talent, I’d go full on Darth Jar Jar instead of Sidious. Let’s just embrace the ludicrousness.

You know that sort of attitude is how I enjoyed the film in theaters, but somehow, Darth Jar Jar just rubs me the wrong way.

It’s a tough sell, for sure, since Lucas obviously didn’t intend that at all. He flat out said Jar Jar was his version of Disney’s Goofy (as in, the dog character).

That being said, imagine it being pulled off. Instead of his wacky quasi-Jamaican overacting, imagine if he’s older, calmer, and talks with a smooth Baron Samedi style. No Palpatine cackling supervillain, a casual charismatic true behind-the-scenes villain who hid behind the jester’s antics.

OutboundFlight said:

thebluefrog said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Can somebody please add an 84 year old Jar Jar among the civilian fleet?

If I had the talent, I’d go full on Darth Jar Jar instead of Sidious. Let’s just embrace the ludicrousness.

Amen.

I’d have respected JJ for just going all-out and risking everything on that kind of twist.

Tons of people would have HATED Darth Jar Jar but a core group would’ve praised the sheer audacity.