I don’t remember how long ago it was but I finally got around to color-correcting Endor to look more alien:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRG7Uqifp2o&feature=youtu.be
Good stuff. This could really work with a low key edit of ROTJ: subtle, but adds an “alien” feel to it.
Like EG did in the other thread, all you have to do to make things more alien is a few color edits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRG7Uqifp2o&feature=youtu.be
JJ rushed ROS and didn’t really think about that kind of imagery; a few shades of difference and the desert planet becomes green/blue/red and is suddenly unique and interesting.
That’s one thing Rian did right; he was good at color-based imagery and using tweaks on established planet concepts.
Lucas PROBABLY would’ve done this with ROTJ if he hadn’t been emotionally burned out by then.
And I have no idea why you’re claiming that “most fans” rejected the rise of the Empire. Even the minority of people that still hate the prequels will admit that Revenge of the Sith has good moments of storytelling.
Yeah, you can also see this just with the box office results. The SW movies had diminishing returns from Empire to Jedi to Phantom to Clones…then Sith had a slight uptick.
TFA then had a MASSIVE jump to the second most popular SW film of all time…then dropped again with TLJ and then down even more with Rise. For reference:
https://i.redd.it/sa8ggtyqb4n51.png
Basically this means the “worst” SW films are, in order: Ep 2, Ep 9, Ep 3 and ep 8. There’s a huge gap between Ep 8 and the next highest, Jedi.
The prequels are not good movies overall, but at least they were thematically coherent. The characters were the same characters from Phantom to Sith. This was a serious problem with the sequel trilogy, and frankly would require a massive 3 movie edit to force coherency between the competing directors. I think TLJ and Rise COULD be massively edited together to make a better climax to the series, but that’ll be extremely hard for editors, particularly as people seem to be attaching their egos to their favorite/least favorite of the sequel trilogy and not really trying to see the bigger picture.
One scene explains where Snoke was during the OT, where he got his power/money, why he dresses in an ostentatious glittering robe (he’s a wealthy crimelord, not a sith lord), where he got obsessed with the Solo family, and thematically wraps up his role in the cycle of revenge.
This isn’t the MCU. You shouldn’t have to watch spinoff material to understand everything.
That said, that idea does sound kinda nice.
Didn’t say it was the IDEAL solution to use the spinoff. Only that it would’ve worked with the immense negative backlash TLJ got.
Snoke was utterly pointless and damaged the 9 movie narrative. If you want a villain to undo the climax of the previous 6 film storyline, you need more than…the nothing explanation we got. “He just IS that powerful” doesn’t work when there is a pre-established universe. With the other villains, i.e. Jabba, the worldbuilding was still ongoing. He’s a crimelord, this universe has crime, that’s easy to understand. Ep 4 established there was “the Empire” and since this was a blank slate, that’s fine. There was no question about where the empire came from, because it was fresh and new. It simply WAS there, and the narrative worked with it. Ep 1 had the Republic. It didn’t need to establish where it came from, there was a government that existed and that’s fine, the audiences understand that, too.
But with the First Order and Snoke, it was NOT a blank slate. There was 70 years of backstory and established narratives and worldbuilding. Just saying “It’s just there, and he’s just a powerful leader” did not work with the previous storyline, as it undid what had come before.
I still think Palpatine being the ultimate evil of the ST was the way to go.
They had the perfect opportunity in one small scene to fix all the complaints about Snoke AND also fit the storyline: SOLO. Instead of Maul being the criminal empire leader cameo, just have a younger (unscarred, too) Snoke.
One scene explains where Snoke was during the OT, where he got his power/money, why he dresses in an ostentatious glittering robe (he’s a wealthy crimelord, not a sith lord), where he got obsessed with the Solo family, and thematically wraps up his role in the cycle of revenge.
I really think Snoke ought to be an eccentric ex-senator with a fascination for the Dark Side.
That could work.
Even a rogue clone that was doing its own thing would’ve been more interesting than what we got.
Is it just me or does Snoke’s portrayal in TFA not at all align with his portrayal in TLJ? I guess on first viewing it makes his death more shocking when he’s set up as dark and mysterious, but the minute you meet him in TLJ that’s all gone as he’s wearing lavish gold robes. I feel like his TFA appearance ought to be changed to reflect that but it’s probably beyond our abilities.
Yep. TFA Snoke is not TLJ Snoke. They’re two different characters by two different director/writers.
Since the character was made pointless overall, massive changes need to be made to either make them match. Problem is that the TLJ portrayal makes him out to be a joke, so that’s very very hard to reconcile. You’d have to heavily re-structure the entire pacing of TLJ and incorporate ROS’s aspects too.
Nice, thanks for sharing.
I hadn’t thought about it, but I just realized the unintentional symbolism of Anakin’s Lightsaber and a Purple Lightsaber being used together to defeat Palpatine… because that’s what should have happened on Coruscant all those years ago.
That’s good, real good. The sequel trilogy needed more of that.
Any edit that reduces the seizure-strobe effect gets an automatic 2 thumbs up.
I wonder if footage of younger Christopher Lee could be used as a flashback?
A really ambitious project would incorporate Grievous in all 3 somehow, like the guy who made him Maul.
Maybe…there is a way to incorporate grievous even earlier. Maybe into the ATOC droid army. Or even further into the Neomoidian army as a lowly TK4 Roger Roger droid who wants to be more.
Or even more ambitious…make him Darth Jar Jar after all.
If I had the deepfake skills, I would edit in Maul and Grievous and Dooku to meet.
In fact, that sounds like a great idea to set up a different timeline. Instead of going Sith, Anakin is defeated. Killed? Lost? Captured? We don’t know, and the Sith make their revenge easier with 4 Sith Lords instead of 2.
I think it would be an awesome twist if Sidious was kept secret until Episode II. Audiences watch Episode I and assume Dooku is the big bad and Maul his apprentice. Go through Episode II knowing about Dooku and suspecting him to make the Empire. And then at the end, we reveal Dooku is just another pawn in a far greater conspiracy.
I know it doesn’t really matter now: everyone knows Sidious is behind it all now, but if we were designing this edit for someone who’s never seen the PT I think this would be a much better way to go about it.
Conceptually, it makes sense, and would work if PM was a differently-structured movie.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work with the overall 6 movie structure since seeing Palpatine’s subtle machinations are key to the entire overarching plot.
It’s doable still.
Cut shots of Dooku (not talking yet) on a viewscreen, cut away to Padme, use Christopher Lee dialogue from another movie, have her respond, cut back to Dooku face for reaction, repeat.
There is a deleted scene of Padme in the palace talking to Panaka (or another soldier on the battlefield) on a viewscreen.
Might be usable to make it Dooku somehow.
Did anyone post this already? https://youtu.be/E83szTzwXYM
Haha, even in red and in a small screen, JJ’s seizure lightning still gives me a headache.
How is changing the look of an established thing to make it “new” makes sense? That’s like Vader’s lighter saber turning black during the final battle cuz … he’s fighting for the emperor/reasons!
If you wanna change the look for something cuz it looks cool … that’s your choice and go for it with your own edit … and this is a general redux thread for the movie … but trying to justify it and be angry that people don’t agree using valid reasoning is silly and bad story telling/writing.
I disagree. If Vader used the force on the Emperor in 1983 and his sword turned black, it would have been written in as a new force power that happens when you become super angry or reach your destiny or whatever and fans would follow it adamantly. The same as Luke (a Jedi) now having a green lightsaber.
Yep. People get too bogged down with the weight of canon and don’t remember the things that have “always been this way” were new ideas at one point. I mean, take why Mace Windu has a purple lightsaber:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKowrRnERrY
Lucas: Good Jedis only use blue and green. Bad guys only use red. This is how lightsaber power works.
Jackson: Please?
Lucas: Ok.
There, canon suddenly changed.
Speaking of the origins of Sith…check this 1973 comic about Star Lord in “Marvel Preview 11”:
You may notice a few similarities.
It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.
Not to get too technical, but the name Palpatine was actually first used in the 90’s EU.
No, it was first used in the prologue of the 1976 novelization of Star Wars. So technically the name Palpatine predates any of the films, even if it wasn’t used in a film until 1999.
Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears (George Lucas [Alan Dean Foster], Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (paperback; New York: Del Rey, 1976), p. 1, ISBN 0-345-26079-1.)
That’s actually really interesting. Supports both the idea that George Lucas had it planned out (in that he had a good idea as to Palpatine rose to power) and the idea that George Lucas was making it up as he went along (because he hadn’t yet decided that Palpatine was an evil mastermind).
Also, in the 1983 novelization for Return of the Jedi by James Kahn:
The Emperor sat, regarding this view, as Vader approached from behind. The Lord of the Sith kneeled and waited. The Emperor let him wait. He perused the vista before him with a sense of glory beyond all reckoning: this was all his. And more glorious still, all his by his own hand.
For it wasn’t always so. Back in the days when he was merely Senator Palpatine, the galaxy had been a Republic of stars, cared for and protected by the Jedi Knighthood that had watched over it for centuries. But inevitably it had grown too large - too massive a bureaucracy had been required, over too many years, in order to maintain the Republic. Corruption had set in.
It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.
Not to get too technical, but the name Palpatine was actually first used in the 90’s EU.
No, it was first used in the prologue of the 1976 novelization of Star Wars. So technically the name Palpatine predates any of the films, even if it wasn’t used in a film until 1999.
Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears (George Lucas [Alan Dean Foster], Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (paperback; New York: Del Rey, 1976), p. 1, ISBN 0-345-26079-1.)
Sith was never said in the OT…
Actually, there is a deleted scene from the conference room where a Sith Lord is mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk
Yeah, I’ve seen that clip. Good stuff, should’ve been in the film.
It’s unlikely the internet nerds of 1977 were able to pass the clip around, though…so “Sith” was still definitely unknown to the majority of the world until Phantom.
It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.
Every other film in the franchise, including first instalments of two other trilogies. This wasn’t like Lord of the Rings, where it’s one story spread over 6-9hrs. It was a first story, but he failed to tell a complete story.
Was the word “Sith” ever uttered in the original trilogy, though? (excluding early drafts, deleted scenes and the EU material). Can’t remember if it did.
Sith was never said in the OT. Nor was Palpatine or Sidious. In the EU, sure, but not the actual movies. Remember when the emperor’s name was Cos Dashit?
Ewok was never said either, for that matter.
And, for all intents, “Darth” was a first name until Phantom Menace where it became a title. Phantom actually was a massive lore dump for the Sith in general.
It’s instant-gratification social media in general. People have self-inflicted ADD and do not have the time to actually digest the latest media, they just want quick explanations and then forget about it 48 hours later. It’s why READING is becoming a problem in society as people can barely focus on a book, much less an article–notice how articles come with “5 min read / 10 min read” at the top nowadays?
Absolutely, people are completely losing any attention span. I’ve shown two different friends the saga for the first time recently and both of them couldn’t watch the movies for more than a couple minutes max without looking at their phones constantly.
They also don’t WANT to find details. Like, they’ll miss things and be confused, but can just ask someone to explain and boom, they’ve got their answer and lost interest.
Caring about the details is becoming a lost part of the artform.
I’m just saying that if the movie came out in theatres that way, it would be confusing. It’s something new and different, with no introduction or setup, being introduced at the last possible moment.
Personally not a fan because of that. I guess the approach I try to make with any edit, fan or for work, is thinking story first, then cool looks. Doing something because it looks cool, even though it makes no sense, is kinda what gave us the mess that is Rise of Skywalker to begin with.
I have no comment on whether today’s audiences would understand it. But I definitely think audiences of the 1980s would understand it. I think it’s kind of a shame that theaters today are so full with armchair critics who can’t think for themselves that audiences being confused at the lightning being red is a genuine possibility. It’s lightning, that’s red. Not that hard.
I feel like I’m coming off like an asshole here, and I don’t mean to direct this at you, but I really hate that discourse around movies is so dominated by stuff like this. Oh, XYZ wasn’t explained, oh ABC isn’t set up properly, oh LMNOP is unrealistic, when all of this stuff makes sense if people one, stayed awake for the entire duration of the movie, and two, turned on the shriveled husk of meat inside their skulls they call their “brain”.
I blame pop critics like Cracked and CinemaSins.
It’s instant-gratification social media in general. People have self-inflicted ADD and do not have the time to actually digest the latest media, they just want quick explanations and then forget about it 48 hours later. It’s why READING is becoming a problem in society as people can barely focus on a book, much less an article–notice how articles come with “5 min read / 10 min read” at the top nowadays?
People would rather watch a 10 minute youtube that explains a movie than actually watch a movie…and that’s sad, because it will eventually kill the artform. Other than autistic people like us here, the majority of people will not care about the minute details. Unless there’s some sort of major cultural change (on the level of the creation of the internet itself) that forces people to re-focus their minds, it’s just gonna get more and more shallow and superficial and lazy with details.
So, bringing this back on topic…other than a show like Game of Thrones, there isn’t much media geared towards rewarding people for dissecting every single detail. Say what you will about George Lucas’ storywriting abilities…he did have an eye for details. MAYBE Mandolorian will bring back that level of focus, but even that’s got a lot of potential problems with continuity and timelines since it has prequel-canon limitations.
brown lightning
Sounds like a medical condition.
