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#1381364
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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A really ambitious project would incorporate Grievous in all 3 somehow, like the guy who made him Maul.

Maybe…there is a way to incorporate grievous even earlier. Maybe into the ATOC droid army. Or even further into the Neomoidian army as a lowly TK4 Roger Roger droid who wants to be more.

Or even more ambitious…make him Darth Jar Jar after all.

If I had the deepfake skills, I would edit in Maul and Grievous and Dooku to meet.

In fact, that sounds like a great idea to set up a different timeline. Instead of going Sith, Anakin is defeated. Killed? Lost? Captured? We don’t know, and the Sith make their revenge easier with 4 Sith Lords instead of 2.

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#1381304
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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OutboundFlight said:

I think it would be an awesome twist if Sidious was kept secret until Episode II. Audiences watch Episode I and assume Dooku is the big bad and Maul his apprentice. Go through Episode II knowing about Dooku and suspecting him to make the Empire. And then at the end, we reveal Dooku is just another pawn in a far greater conspiracy.

I know it doesn’t really matter now: everyone knows Sidious is behind it all now, but if we were designing this edit for someone who’s never seen the PT I think this would be a much better way to go about it.

Conceptually, it makes sense, and would work if PM was a differently-structured movie.

Unfortunately it doesn’t work with the overall 6 movie structure since seeing Palpatine’s subtle machinations are key to the entire overarching plot.

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#1380177
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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OutboundFlight said:

jarbear said:

How is changing the look of an established thing to make it “new” makes sense? That’s like Vader’s lighter saber turning black during the final battle cuz … he’s fighting for the emperor/reasons!

If you wanna change the look for something cuz it looks cool … that’s your choice and go for it with your own edit … and this is a general redux thread for the movie … but trying to justify it and be angry that people don’t agree using valid reasoning is silly and bad story telling/writing.

I disagree. If Vader used the force on the Emperor in 1983 and his sword turned black, it would have been written in as a new force power that happens when you become super angry or reach your destiny or whatever and fans would follow it adamantly. The same as Luke (a Jedi) now having a green lightsaber.

Yep. People get too bogged down with the weight of canon and don’t remember the things that have “always been this way” were new ideas at one point. I mean, take why Mace Windu has a purple lightsaber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKowrRnERrY

Lucas: Good Jedis only use blue and green. Bad guys only use red. This is how lightsaber power works.
Jackson: Please?
Lucas: Ok.

There, canon suddenly changed.

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#1380115
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Ed Slushie said:

thebluefrog said:

ChainsawAsh said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.

Not to get too technical, but the name Palpatine was actually first used in the 90’s EU.

No, it was first used in the prologue of the 1976 novelization of Star Wars. So technically the name Palpatine predates any of the films, even if it wasn’t used in a film until 1999.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears (George Lucas [Alan Dean Foster], Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (paperback; New York: Del Rey, 1976), p. 1, ISBN 0-345-26079-1.)

That’s actually really interesting. Supports both the idea that George Lucas had it planned out (in that he had a good idea as to Palpatine rose to power) and the idea that George Lucas was making it up as he went along (because he hadn’t yet decided that Palpatine was an evil mastermind).

Also, in the 1983 novelization for Return of the Jedi by James Kahn:

The Emperor sat, regarding this view, as Vader approached from behind. The Lord of the Sith kneeled and waited. The Emperor let him wait. He perused the vista before him with a sense of glory beyond all reckoning: this was all his. And more glorious still, all his by his own hand.

For it wasn’t always so. Back in the days when he was merely Senator Palpatine, the galaxy had been a Republic of stars, cared for and protected by the Jedi Knighthood that had watched over it for centuries. But inevitably it had grown too large - too massive a bureaucracy had been required, over too many years, in order to maintain the Republic. Corruption had set in.

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#1380108
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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ChainsawAsh said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.

Not to get too technical, but the name Palpatine was actually first used in the 90’s EU.

No, it was first used in the prologue of the 1976 novelization of Star Wars. So technically the name Palpatine predates any of the films, even if it wasn’t used in a film until 1999.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears (George Lucas [Alan Dean Foster], Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (paperback; New York: Del Rey, 1976), p. 1, ISBN 0-345-26079-1.)

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#1380038
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DZ-330 said:

thebluefrog said:

Sith was never said in the OT…

Actually, there is a deleted scene from the conference room where a Sith Lord is mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

Yeah, I’ve seen that clip. Good stuff, should’ve been in the film.

It’s unlikely the internet nerds of 1977 were able to pass the clip around, though…so “Sith” was still definitely unknown to the majority of the world until Phantom.

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#1380005
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Knight of Kalee said:

JakeRyan17 said:

It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.

Every other film in the franchise, including first instalments of two other trilogies. This wasn’t like Lord of the Rings, where it’s one story spread over 6-9hrs. It was a first story, but he failed to tell a complete story.

Was the word “Sith” ever uttered in the original trilogy, though? (excluding early drafts, deleted scenes and the EU material). Can’t remember if it did.

Sith was never said in the OT. Nor was Palpatine or Sidious. In the EU, sure, but not the actual movies. Remember when the emperor’s name was Cos Dashit?

Ewok was never said either, for that matter.

And, for all intents, “Darth” was a first name until Phantom Menace where it became a title. Phantom actually was a massive lore dump for the Sith in general.

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#1379964
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Brewzter said:

It’s instant-gratification social media in general. People have self-inflicted ADD and do not have the time to actually digest the latest media, they just want quick explanations and then forget about it 48 hours later. It’s why READING is becoming a problem in society as people can barely focus on a book, much less an article–notice how articles come with “5 min read / 10 min read” at the top nowadays?

Absolutely, people are completely losing any attention span. I’ve shown two different friends the saga for the first time recently and both of them couldn’t watch the movies for more than a couple minutes max without looking at their phones constantly.

They also don’t WANT to find details. Like, they’ll miss things and be confused, but can just ask someone to explain and boom, they’ve got their answer and lost interest.

Caring about the details is becoming a lost part of the artform.

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#1379860
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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SparkySywer said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I’m just saying that if the movie came out in theatres that way, it would be confusing. It’s something new and different, with no introduction or setup, being introduced at the last possible moment.

Personally not a fan because of that. I guess the approach I try to make with any edit, fan or for work, is thinking story first, then cool looks. Doing something because it looks cool, even though it makes no sense, is kinda what gave us the mess that is Rise of Skywalker to begin with.

I have no comment on whether today’s audiences would understand it. But I definitely think audiences of the 1980s would understand it. I think it’s kind of a shame that theaters today are so full with armchair critics who can’t think for themselves that audiences being confused at the lightning being red is a genuine possibility. It’s lightning, that’s red. Not that hard.

I feel like I’m coming off like an asshole here, and I don’t mean to direct this at you, but I really hate that discourse around movies is so dominated by stuff like this. Oh, XYZ wasn’t explained, oh ABC isn’t set up properly, oh LMNOP is unrealistic, when all of this stuff makes sense if people one, stayed awake for the entire duration of the movie, and two, turned on the shriveled husk of meat inside their skulls they call their “brain”.

I blame pop critics like Cracked and CinemaSins.

It’s instant-gratification social media in general. People have self-inflicted ADD and do not have the time to actually digest the latest media, they just want quick explanations and then forget about it 48 hours later. It’s why READING is becoming a problem in society as people can barely focus on a book, much less an article–notice how articles come with “5 min read / 10 min read” at the top nowadays?

People would rather watch a 10 minute youtube that explains a movie than actually watch a movie…and that’s sad, because it will eventually kill the artform. Other than autistic people like us here, the majority of people will not care about the minute details. Unless there’s some sort of major cultural change (on the level of the creation of the internet itself) that forces people to re-focus their minds, it’s just gonna get more and more shallow and superficial and lazy with details.

So, bringing this back on topic…other than a show like Game of Thrones, there isn’t much media geared towards rewarding people for dissecting every single detail. Say what you will about George Lucas’ storywriting abilities…he did have an eye for details. MAYBE Mandolorian will bring back that level of focus, but even that’s got a lot of potential problems with continuity and timelines since it has prequel-canon limitations.

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#1378591
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Cinefy said:

Brewzter said:

Hal 9000 said:

Would you send me Qui-Gon saying, “Bring balance to the Force”? That might be nice to include at any rate.

Sent 👍

Send it this way, I’ll take a look at possibilities for Qui-Gon line

On this topic, Brewzter, would you happen to have any possible dialogue of Qui-Gon saying anything like:

My apprentice died, my apprentice fell, Obi-Wan died, Obi-Wan paid the price, I lost my student, etc. etc.

Anything at all that has Liam Neeson indicating Obi-Wan died?

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#1378451
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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SparkySywer said:

At work a few weeks ago I had an idea for a recontextualizing of TFA’s backstory that might be doable in a fanedit?

Sounds like a pretty good idea. You’d have to heavily edit the dialogue, but it’s doable.

Knight of Kalee said:

Not sure if you’re into the expanded universe but the official canon portrays a very similar scenario. The New Republic was split in two parties: there were those who appreciated the old regime and wanted a centralised government and more powerful military, and there was the faction led by Leia that favored liberty and autonomy of individual planets. Some of Leia’s political allies backed the Resistance, while many opposing Senators eventually defected to the First Order.

Honestly man, I wouldn’t really think hard about canon in the fanedit community. JJ, Rian, KK…they all sort of did their own thing and broke canon whenever it served their story. Most of the EU stuff from TFA to ROS contradicted itself after each new movie came out, worse than with Lucas and the fan community’s “S tier / A tier” canon stuff back in the day. It’s pretty clear that even after Disney wiped the EU clean to get a clean non-muddled united continuity…they actually didn’t care and it’s gonna become the same mess of licensed fanfiction.

In 2020, no one at Lucasarts cares about canon except Dave Filoni and crew.

So what I’m really saying is that faneditors should be free to do whatever they please, we should encourage total artistic freedom in this medium.