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#1367606
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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Ed Slushie said:

thebluefrog said:

Always found it weird Lucas did NOT do anything like that with Anakin when introducing him. Having the most mythological important character’s first visual appearance walking around a shop seems so mundane.

Luke’s first appearance was pretty mundane too. I think it was intentional in both cases, to show that greatness comes from humble origins.

No, sorry if it my meaning wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean storyline wise. I meant imagery and theme wise, which are Lucas’ talents.

There was no “boom boy” scene for young Anakin. Like having him stare up at the twin suns, an extremely fitting and appropriate parallel to Luke’s iconic scene, yearning for more. Luke has a lot of iconic imagery associated with him; everyone knows the Binary Sun theme by heart and seeing him stare up into space. There was nothing like that with kid Anakin in Phantom.

Part of the problem of the prequels was that Anakin wasn’t that relatable as an archetype. For a “hero’s fall” to be emotionally resonant, he has to actually be a likeable hero.

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#1367510
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.

When making the originals, Lucas had people reigning him in to keep his manchild humor at bay. That’s why ROTJ started to go offbeat, since he didn’t have his ex-wife and editor peers going “man, that idea just doesn’t work.”

Phantom was the same way, especially when you look at the infamous documentary footage where his yes-men think he went too far in places but no one stood up to him. People hate Jar Jar because of the tonedeaf slapstick, and most of the side characters are already long forgotten. Anyone really remember Boss Nass or the Shatnerians? Likewise, very few people are demanding more Holdo, Rose, or nameless Mr. “Don’t Join”…and Hux and Finn were reduced to useless Jar Jar gags.

I think Rian Johnson was a bigger fan of the prequels than anyone else at Disney, which is why TLJ had the most direct references. Unfortunately, this also brought Phantom’s manchild humor back…and it really hurt the tone and writing. Solo would’ve been a better film for Rian to go wild on, since its self-contained nature wouldn’t clash with the other sequel films’ tone as much.

I think a good edit could fix Finn and Hux, but as I’ve said earlier, the tech and footage just isn’t there yet. For all its flaws, the Colin T. script gives BOTH of them a better plot and resolution. Maybe someday we can deepfake that into a real movie…assuming Disney doesn’t just erase the sequels anyways.

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#1367480
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

Movies Remastered said:

I’m not a gamer. I’ve gone through a bunch of youtube videos but havent even found anything close. Is there a way of getting the audio or a clip?

Ok, when I see something I’ll flag it for you.

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#1367458
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Knight of Kalee said:

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or the Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

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#1367090
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Would it be possible to add footage of Poe ejecting from the Tie Fighter at the start of TFA? Maybe even footage of him landing or wandering around Jakku? His survival has no business being a surprise and just feels contrived. It’s painfully obvious it was added in reshoots.

Well, there is Lego Star wars…

https://youtu.be/EM6Exvoimc0

I believe that’s Oscar Isaac doing the voice, so that’s a start.

Unfortunately 2020 deepfake tech isn’t remotely good enough to replace the lego cartoon…in fact it would probably be easier to remake the entire TFA movie in Lego, haha.

Maybe cut a shot of Isaac lying on the ground and then cut to a very shadowy image of Scavenger Naka doing a voiceover of how he saved Poe?

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#1366930
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:
Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

Then that’s exactly what she should have been. Bring the entire story full arc referencing Episode 1’s Sith.

Have her wield the double blade, and have everyone question why is she a total Maul ripoff?

And then she reveals her identity, and why she hates Ben Solo so much:

She’s Qira.

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#1366918
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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TheAlaskanSandman said:

thebluefrog said:

Awesome work on the trailer! Having the political debate on the screens is a brilliant idea.

Thankyou! I still wanna smooth out some stuff and find appropriate alien text for the screens (Other than or along with english script saying Corusant 9 News). I want to get more creative and extensive with it in the next two movies as the war ramps up. I think its a good way to make use of the deleted scene from ATOC where Padame addresses the senate over the assassination attempt. I want to figure out some more propaganda based ones too.

That’s a great idea too.

Mind if I use it for some sequel edits too? The concept of using screens for exposition is a good one.

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#1366402
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Imagine if Kylo had straight up killed Palpatine at the start and been the primary antagonist. TLJ turned all the villains into jokes, with Hux being ragdolled around, Snoke dying like Jar Jar, and Kylo throwing a tantrum at Luke. Phasma not so much, but she was wasted too, so…

Getting Kylo back on track to be a genuine threat would’ve helped raise the emotional stakes and made his evolution over the trilogy more interesting.

Unfortunately…I don’t think this is editable with current material. Probably 10 years away to be able to edit that with deepfakes and video games.

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#1365073
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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StarkillerAG said:

Goddammit MR, you ruined my point! 😉

Although technically, those were just one off gag sequences, and didn’t interfere with the tension of the movie. I was just contrasting that to TLJ’s nonstop use of bathos.

So to bring the convo full circle, I suspect some editing of the more tone-deaf humor would improve TLJ quite a bit. Sort of like how reducing Jar Jar’s stupid comic moments makes Phantom flow a bit better too.

Here’s an interesting removal of the lightsaber toss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-alL-AT6mJI

Note how well it works when keeping the tone consistent. Luke’s disillusion is still clear, but it doesn’t disrespect the themes Lucas built Star Wars on–the passing of Excalibur from teacher to student.

Think about Qui-Gon; even though he was only in one movie and died quickly and unceremoniously, people remember him and the archetype he represented. Lucas got a lot wrong with Phantom, but he did nail that theme spot on.

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#1365001
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Info: Has anyone heard more about Star Ep9: Rise of Skywalker’s The J.J. Abrams Cut??
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idir_hh said:

I’m surprised there’s not much noise about the lack of deleted scenes outside the fan-edit community.

I noticed that too, but I think the public is just burned out of Star Wars. When they came out, each of the 6 films was considered a cultural milestone so the average person would be sort of interested in talking about deleted things, at least in passing.

When TFA came out, I remember social media being abuzz with even non-SW fans talking about it. Unfortunately, Disney over-saturated their own product by rushing a movie yearly. The sub-par reaction to TLJ-Solo-ROS proves that the branding no longer has the mythical pop-culture impact it once did.

No one cares about the Star Wars characters outside of Star Wars anymore, whereas at one point everyone knew who Vader, Luke, Yoda ,and Chewie were. So why would anyone care about deleted scenes about characters they don’t care about?

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#1364950
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Movies Remastered said:

JakeRyan17 said:

But Sad/Grumpy Luke and Han being a smuggler again were both decisions Abrams made.

Too end TFA on such a climax only to be tossed away in TLJ felt like a complete middle finger, imo.

Was Grump Luke JJs idea? It seems to have come from Johnson. Hopefully all these issues will be fixed at some point in the future.

That was the basic problem with TLJ’s writing. The bathos. Every serious moment had to have a silly manchild moment to break the tension. Lucas had a bad habit of this too, but not nearly as much.

TFA has a big emotional buildup of Rey tearfully holding up the symbol of the franchise…and Luke tosses it aside, KLUNK!

Snoke is creepily holding Rey immobile, Daisy is clenching her teeth in fear and trepidation…then we cut to BB-8 slipping into a wall, WONK!

Rey tries to force-grab her saber and kill Snoke, he casually proves his telekinesis powers overwhelm her as it misses her hand…and then her sword hits her in the back of the head, BONK!

Jar-Jar almost ruined Phantom with his slapstick; we’re lucky that at least SOME editor kept Lucas’ manchild humor in check for the most part. Imagine if, when Luke confronted Palpatine, Vader BONKS Luke in the back of his head with an unlit saber. It would’ve totally killed any tension or threat of the scene.

TLJ had good moments, but Rian insisted on being That Guy who liked to make inappropriate jokes in moments of seriousness because being too serious is uncomfortable, especially for kids.

This guy explains it better than I can (he does good commentary on movies, btw):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuuDTnMPMgc

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#1364803
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Movies Remastered said:

I liked the darker message of capitalism and slavery used in it. Most people hated it but to me it was amazing to introduce those themes to star wars and a “kids movie”

What about Phantom Menace?

Anakin was a slave and Naboo was invaded for (superficially) economic reasons.

Lucas missed a great chance to continue Anakin’s hatred for slavery/desire to be in power from that, it would’ve made his downfall more understandable.

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#1364382
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Info: Has anyone heard more about Star Ep9: Rise of Skywalker’s The J.J. Abrams Cut??
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StarkillerAG said:

Tammer5 said:

There is no way that JJ is proud of this cut. This is not the caliber of film he would make. I know he is a hit and miss guy (some times), but this movie was a mess, not a JJ standard. I guarantee there was a lot of executives who were meddling with the story. I am sure there is a cut that JJ would prefer to have out, but the big wigs have the final say. JJ, or any director/actor, is always gonna respond to the media with excellent feed back regarding their work because it is in the best interest of the company and the film. He’s not gonna bash the hand that feeds him or something he co-created. He probably is just done with the lack of leadership and direction going on at LUCAS-FILM.

Umm, have you forgotten the Star Trek reboot movies? Those were pretty awful. I don’t think it’s impossible for JJ to make a bad movie, he’s done it before. And there’s no tangible evidence in any of the BTS stuff that suggests meddling producers. The whole reason we know about the “creative disputes” in the spinoff movies is because it was pretty out in the open, not secret at all. I can’t imagine why they’d suddenly try to hide production issues in TROS.

First Star Trek movie was alright, if a bit shallow at times.

Then it went downhill.

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#1363013
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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TheAlaskanSandman said:

thebluefrog said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

thebluefrog said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

thebluefrog said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Id enjoy seeing an R rated Star Wars. Itd be a pain with all the blood simulation but i think id be pretty cool. As a kid i always liked the blood in ANH and wondered why they did away with it in the other movies. Corridor crew did some small quick vids but they were more on the ridiculous side. I later understood that the wounds were being cauterized but still. I miss the bombastic squids used in the 80’s like in Robocop haha

You know, I actually had an idea for an R-rated Star Wars, complete with sex and nudity. It’d be doable with some actors’ other works and deepfaking.

However, we have to be honest, the SW community is extremely immature and conservative about sexual material, so it would be negatively received (in public) and get a lot of spiteful attempts to stop it.

Too bad, there’s enough source material out there to make it work…maybe I should take another crack at it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G0OLUOwLSa35g6ytyyO9ZDmz0x_bLFYr/view Quick mock up. No nudity tho

Probably NSFW to click on.

Not bad, not bad at all.

I’ve had more than a few people say part of the problem with Anakin and Padme’s “tragic” love story is that there’s no passion. Lucas, being a bit of a manchild, was obviously really uncomfortable with love scenes in general (he’s said so in interviews that’s not a Star Wars thing) so the best we could have is Hayden reciting out lines like “I’M IN AGONY”.

For the story of a great hero brought down by his passion, we actually have to SEE the passion. Which is basically the problem of the prequels that many many others have already brought up: a lot of talking about things but not showing.

Yea i initially had the same knee jerk reaction, thinking nooo, no nudity lol but then i got thinking about what you were saying (You never expressed wanting nudity) and how to tastefully do it and find myself agreeing. Lucas does too much off screen including Obi and Anakins friendship (I wish we had seen more). A good way to look at it, would be to ask what Titanic would be with out the drawing scene and hand on the car window leaving a print. Iconic. Also, story hinges on seeing them hook up, not just kiss. The only nudity tho was the drawing, the car scene was all suggestive. So i tried to approach it from that sense and the parental guidelines. I mean, we see Iron Man hook up with a girl in the first Iron Man, just the music was more fun than romantic. Pepper even tosses her out like yesterdays trash, and this is Disney. ( I still can’t get past Tony wanting to bring back Prima Nocta, or Arnim Zola calling Widow Fräulein lol )

I still want to do some tweaking tho, fix the audio from Anakins mom and its timing, and try to use some scene of Natalie from No Strings Attached to work in with the scenes of Hayden.

The prequels should’ve focused on Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme specifically. Build up Anakin’s love with Padme, friendship with Obi-Wan, and then have them both fall apart in Sith. Anakin’s jealousy at the end of Sith comes out of nowhere, whereas if it had been built up for 3 movies, it would’ve emotionally resonated. Instead of him literally saying “YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!”

That’s what Lucas INTENDED to happen, but it didn’t quite pan out. This basically started with having Anakin be too young in Phantom; I get Lucas’ intention to show him being “innocent” but it still didn’t work in the long run.

That’s why I say the passion was required. Every line that Anakin said about his emotions, whether it was love for Padme or anger at Obi-Wan, should’ve been SHOWN. Sex with Padme. Rage at Obi-Wan. There was basically only one scene where Lucas figured that out, and that’s the scene before Anakin goes to confront Mace and Palpatine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWYwKa_PxQA

That’s what the prequels needed more of. Less dialogue, more acting. Show the passion and anger and emotion, not recite it.

Agree. I wish we had got Obiwan vs maul on Tatooine. They teased it and never came through with it.

How do you mean it was teased?

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#1362984
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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ReyofLight said:

Has anyone considered making a version of Rise of Skywalker without the teal filtering (or is there one available)? I did some images to show how gorgeous this movie really can be without that hideous teal: https://imgur.com/a/OWJwSpG

But unfortunately, I don’t have a computer that’s good enough to do this in a video editor.

That’s incredible.

So much better, and Palpatine’s planet doesn’t cause seizures anymore.