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#1429887
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Deepfake Ideas - Index and Discussion
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EddieDean said:

thebluefrog said:

  1. I think it’d be a good idea to make a list of potential deepfake SOURCES. Other movies, games, audiobooks, interviews, etc. That would be a valuable resource for project makers to come visit the thread.

Very valuable idea. I’m happy to maintain the index, but I don’t have the time to actively hunt that all down myself. But anything that’s dropped into this thread, I’ll arrange and present in a sensible way. If it starts to get complex I’ll gladly convert it all into a spreadsheet or some other sensible reference format.

Well, just for starters, I’d say a good useful list of sources would include:

Voice clips:
-Video games. Checking the credits will show who voiced who. Let’s Play videos would be a good source.
-Audiobooks, especially if an actor reads them.
-Cartoons where the actors appear, such as Carrie Fisher or Mark Hamill.
-Youtube/online, such as Disney’s Star Wars Kids, which has actors reprise their roles. This one is good for secondary characters like Rose.
-Interviews. Often an actor will drop into character and do “the voice”, such as James Earl Jones.
-Promos and commercials: Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford did rare commercials back in the 80s. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThGdJ9kfUw4&feature=youtu.be

Video clips:
-Deleted scenes, obviously.
-Making-of documentaries, which often have alternate camera angles.
-Commercials that sometimes use longer footage.
-Video game cutscenes, which can be movie quality.
-Footage from other movies, especially if they do sci-fi.
-Interviews. While they wouldn’t be in costume, their facial expressions could be used for deepfakes. I have an idea that Finn COULD be deepfaked by using footage of Boyega protesting in real life.
-Social media of the actors. Sometimes they put good quality personal vids, which again can be used for deepfake coding.

If the community works together, we could create a list just by randomly noticing things online in our daily internet browsing. “Hey, that could be useful to someone!” Then all we need is a thread for people to regularly drop links into easily.

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#1428469
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Deepfake Ideas - Index and Discussion
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Great thread, EddieDean!

  1. I think it’d be a good idea to make a list of potential deepfake SOURCES. Other movies, games, audiobooks, interviews, etc. That would be a valuable resource for project makers to come visit the thread.

  2. Any deepfake artists think it’s possible to ever do Chewbacca over another monster? Such as, say, an ape from a movie like Kong, or a werewolf, etc?

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#1426792
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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David__B said:

After reading the comic, I don’t think it confirms Snoke is a canon version of Luuke.
It certainly implies something will be made with that hand later on, but whether that’s Snoke or something else is unclear.

The comic takes place shortly after ESB, so those fully grown Snoke-like creatures (strandcasts?) being already so big and conscious after, like, a week (?) seems a bit far-fetched. Palpatine was probably already at it before he got the hand, then took it for other purposes.

I suspect, regardless of the comic, Mandolorian will eventually just explain Snoke as a genetic failsafe experiment from Palpatine’s will. Some Empire admiral will be enacting it as part of his “If I die” orders.

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#1426721
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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EddieDean said:

Whoah.

Edit: Wait, hang on. We know the Sequel trilogy often had names which were directly related to other characters.

Kylo = Skywalker + Solo.

So how about this:
It’s not Luke
It 's not Luke
‘S no’ ke
Snoke

Too much of a stretch? That ‘ke’ at the end there is suspicious either way.

And damn, if there was one person Palpatine would want to clone into a servant, it’d be Luke…

Wookiee
Wo ke
Ke Wo
E Wok
Ewok

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

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#1424994
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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If there was a way to turn Luke’s exile into Kylo’s exile, that’d be more thematically fitting an ending.

Kylo dying was trite and cliche and also completely predictable given that it was Disney. But having him alive, alone, living forever with his crimes…that’s more interesting a fate.

You’d have to re-edit TLJ and ROS heavily, though. Massive undertaking, would require a lot of deepfake skill to change Hamill to Driver.

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#1418732
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:
Does Kylo really mention his grandfather after TFA? I use his fight to kill Vader in my cut so not sure if it should be more of a Palpatine speech, Vader speech or kylo just doing something before opening the chest?

He doesn’t mention his grandfather much at all, actually. Which, now that it’s pointed out, is a bit weird, and probably contributed to the slightly disjointed nature of the sequel trilogy. In-Universe, the timeline is really broken: When fighting Rey, he’s obsessed with the Skywalker legacy being his life’s purpose…10 minutes later he’s smashing it up. It’s as if TLJ Kylo is not the same character as TFA Kylo when viewed as a whole narrative.

If one were to restructure the entire sequel trilogy better, the helmet smashing would be far better 1/2 through Rise.

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#1416791
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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oojason said:

Fan Turns Colin Trevorrow’s Leaked Star Wars Episode 9 Script Into a Comic’:-

https://www.ign.com/articles/star-wars-episode-9-colin-trevorrow-script-turned-into-fan-comic
 

The link to the actual fan-made comic adaptation (Issues 2-6) : http://awinegarner.squarespace.com/duel-of-the-fates

 

Unfortunately, he’s clearly tracing movie stills, and it’s very distracting when artists do that. Especially when you recognize scenes.

Wish they wouldn’t do that, it degrades the quality of the artform in all ways.

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#1409404
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I actually had an idea for remaking TFA to completely 100% change Luke’s character to be actively involved with the New Republic. There’s footage that’s usable with him interacting on ships in space. Which would mean no exile…or at least not in the same way.

This would cause a domino effect that would require a lot of editing of all 3 films…but I think it’s doable.

Alternatively, I think making “Episode 6.5” is also doable, showing him before Kylo snaps.

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#1409037
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Your ideal Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
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theprequelsrule said:

ThatPixarGuy said:

I mean with Lucas out of the picture, does anyone really care what the “true” canon is anymore?

In fairness, Pablo did say JJ contacted him regularly to check certain plot points. JJ is a shallow and poor writer, but he did at least seem to try. Even if he did muck up Rise in the end with his random rushed ideas, though part of that was the studio pressure.

Rian, who is a somewhat better writer, seemed to think his version of canon was BETTER than what those other nerds thought, so he just made up his own thing, regardless of whether it actually fit. See: Hyperspace ramming, which now changes the entire war now that one person can take out 30 ships. Why bother with weapons anymore? Just Holdo over and over until it works, it’s easier than actually shooting.

And then at the top, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy don’t care either. Both have shown they are creatively bankrupt and don’t remotely care about the characterizations or plot. Bob even admitted his “1 movie a year” approach damaged the brand, and KK clearly had some sort of self-insert fantasy that Rian gave to her with Holdo.

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#1407531
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George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy
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PressFireToPlay said:

Shows a little promise with the aspect of there being a power vacuum but you can already see the warning signs “I don’t want any human characters to get killed”

Also it is evident he did not understand the little things, the snippets of Nostalgia that appealed to us, the generation that made Star Wars successful.

The Sequels got things off amazingly well with TFA, completion opposite to the shallow prequels with obvious green screen backgrounds (although Hal’s re-edit of TPM showed there is a good film there in Episode 1), but why Rian Johnson ballsed things up with a bizaare story of spaceships going ‘just about fast enough’ to stay out of target and whilst that’s going on, lets have other characters leaving the ship and going on a merry adventure. Bizarre they even green lit his idea!

Agreed. Some critics complain that TFA had too many mystery boxes with no idea how to resolve them…but that’s what you WANT with part 1 of a new trilogy that needs to get people’s interest. Everyone was speculating on Rey’s parentage or what Luke was up to or who Snoke was…and that’s good. You want the audience invested. The fact that JJ had no idea what to do is not a bad thing in the sense that they had 2 more films to get a good writer to tie up the plotlines. Rian’s “unexpectedly throw them all away” answers were not good for part 2 of a trilogy OR part 8 of a bigger narrative–it’s as if Rian childishly wanted to make his own trilogy and thus forced the narrative to start over with his own version of the sandbox.

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#1407529
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Your ideal Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
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Move beyond the simple good and evil dynamic.

Follow the quality writing of, for example, GRR Martin’s Thrones books and have complex motivations for all characters. Actually do “There are heroes on both sides.”

Use shades of grey for characters.

The idea OF the Vong is good. An antagonist that does not care about the black and white dichotomy of Sith and Jedi. It doesn’t mean they stop being philosophical opposites, it just means that complex solutions may require complex answers and not just stabbing people.

If I had to specifically work with Disney’s sequel resources…
Rey = Grey Jedi who doesn’t embrace either side. Start off Jedi, move to Sith to counter the aggressive antagonists, end up as grey.
Finn = Instigates Stormtrooper rebellion, showing the troopers are people underneath the helmets. Start as a bit of a coward, become a leader of freedom.
Kylo = Unstable but powerful, a required compromise for the protagonists to work with against the bigger threat. Forced to curb his own destructive impulses for the greater good. Perhaps ending with a seeming death but instead in exile, left alone by the heroes just in case his expertise is ever needed for another threat 40 years later.

The point is to have character development where they end up learning and becoming different from their experiences. The war itself is, in a way, the less-important background for the characters to grow in this medium.

A three way love triangle between them would also work, as it would be character conflict and motivation. Viewers would empathize with, say, Finn having to clench his teeth and work alongside Kylo, who he hates both for political reasons AND for personal reasons with his jealousy over Rey. It would also be a good thematic mirror for the lowkey love triangle of Han/Luke/Leia (sister retcon notwithstanding) that gave Han and Luke’s friendship some depth in Empire.

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#1401982
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Movies Remastered said:

I feel TLJ took the biggest risks but did the most damage in the process. I lived the fact they highlighted capitalism, slavery, a broken Luke and the final scene with Leia but it did miss the mark on many things. Daisy Ridley dialogue was awesome and they disrespected Ackbar. Unforgivable imo.

Yep. TLJ has some good aspects, but the bad aspects really outweigh the good–so much so it damages the franchise. If you change a character for the worse, especially when it’s the climax of a longrunning story, then that leaves a bad taste in many viewers’ mouths. See Game of Thrones as a good example of how to subvert expectations, derail a character, and retroactively ruin watching that character again since you know the ending is bad.

Since the rest of the sequel trilogy bookending TLJ ignores its characters, and with the Mandolorian subtly trying not to acknowledge them either, it seems Disney is picking up on that. We won’t be seeing [A Star Wars Story:Holdo/Rose/nameless-creepy-guy-“don’t join”]. Looking forward to finding how they will retcon Kylo’s school killing to miraculously miss Grogu (for the second time).

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#1401581
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

Does anyone have a super high res image/footage of Coruscant? I’ve removed the ships from Ep.II but the grain and quality of that release was awful compared to recent high-def. The 7 ish ones in google search are all pixelated or blurry.

Maybe this guy has something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCu7FhoDhtc

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#1396376
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Ed Slushie said:

thebluefrog said:

sade1212 said:

They’re not going to retcon the Sequel Trilogy. Like how the previous generation had to come to terms with the prequels being forever a part of Star Wars, the current generation will have to come to terms with the sequels. There’s hope for them to be slowly improved and augmented with ancillary material - what you could consider a slow retconning, maybe - as the prequels were,

Yes and no–when Disney took over Lucasarts, they erased all of the prequel era ancillary material.

What are you talking about? They erased almost all ancillary material, period. The Clone Wars was one of the only things they left in. And a lot of other famous prequel material like CW03 and Republic Commando had already been decanonized in favor of The Clone Wars.

Yes? The context of what I was saying was the erasure of the prequel era EU since we were talking about the prequel era material slowly retconning things for the better. And then they are slowly picking and choosing what parts to recanonize, i.e. Ahsoka.

You may have misunderstood what I said since I wasn’t saying anything about any other material (OT, etc) that was also erased since it wasn’t relevant contextually.

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#1396367
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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sade1212 said:

They’re not going to retcon the Sequel Trilogy. Like how the previous generation had to come to terms with the prequels being forever a part of Star Wars, the current generation will have to come to terms with the sequels. There’s hope for them to be slowly improved and augmented with ancillary material - what you could consider a slow retconning, maybe - as the prequels were,

Yes and no–when Disney took over Lucasarts, they erased all of the prequel era ancillary material. And in fact they very obviously pushed the sequels to ignore all of the prequel-introduced concepts (Darth Plagueis where are you) and soft-reset the entire series.

I wouldn’t be so 100% convinced no big erasures will never happen again.

Also, cheap “redeeming” retcons of villains is just distasteful and weak writing. I recall some story that attempted to retcon Anakin’s youngling killing into “actually, he just drew his lightsaber and then ordered the clones to shoot them.” Kylo “accidentally” blowing up the school reeks of the same attempt to make bad guys into good toys. May as well make Book of Boba have a cameo by Han Solo where they become friends because Boba was ACTUALLY trying to protect Han from Vader and also deliberately missed when trying to kill Luke.

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#1396178
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Mocata said:

Yeah but Grogu isn’t going to be at Jedi School long or there’s no future for this series right?

Well, all of the tv series are in a weird place, writing-wise, since everyone but Rey will be dead in 10-20 years. It kind of neuters any narrative tension to know it ends with “and then Kylo kills everyone.”

They really have to think hard if they want to keep the sequels as the inevitable future.

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#1396171
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:
There’s a lot to catch up on but changing Rey using a mind trick on the stormtrooper to escape and eliminating most of the fight with Kylo, leaving it to just one force/lucky/rage blow and having the ground open up straight away taking away her standing over a “defeated” Kylo removes any “mary sue” feel she has, imo.

Exactly. To have a villain have gravitas and be a threat in this sort of straightforward good vs bad story, he can’t be defeated in the opening act like that. If anything, edits should somehow make Kylo win that first fight.

Imagine if ep 4 had ended with Luke completely beating up Vader. The scary imposing monster is now weakly crippled on the ground, breathing heavily, sparking armor: totally defeated. Take the ROTJ ending and put it into ep. 4.

There wouldn’t have been an Empire Strikes Back. Or, rather, there wouldn’t have been a Darth Vader cultural icon as the image of the unstoppable, overwhelming, intimidating villain that carried the franchise. The image of him being defeated would be the final imagery that the audience remembered when they finished watching, and the hero’s journey is over. The bad guy has been beaten. He’s not interesting anymore.

Rey’s journey was crippled by having her win too early. There was no threat of Kylo beyond that point. If TFA was the ONLY movie and had zero movies before it or after, it could’ve worked as a self-contained hero’s journey. But as the opening act? That was a terrible writing decision that had ripple effects in the other movies; it should be noted she doesn’t lose the other 2 climactic fights with Kylo, either. TLJ: Kylo knocked out and she leaves. ROS: she stabs him and leaves.

I like Rey as a character fine, but I totally understand why her protagonist status did not resonate with audiences.

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#1396138
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Hal 9000 said:

So, R2 is totes the one who saved Grogu at the Jedi Temple, right?

Grogu will be conveniently saved from Anakin the same way he has to be conveniently saved from Kylo in 10 years.

Guarantee there’s some handwringing at Lucasarts of how they have to reconcile Kylo’s school-shooting with Grogu carrying the franchise.

If they’re brave and want to do bold writing, they’ll make the sequels a form of inevitable fate that current Luke has to work to prevent, perhaps via Jedi vision. Make it so the tv series’ tension is how the heroes will prevent the bad future from happening. Save the timeline, Luke!

…but it’s more like they’ll just weakly say “Um…Grogu happened to be away from the temple that day when Kylo snapped. Also Luke forgot about him when he hid on his island.”